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The 1992 trials were Kolat's senior year of high school. I have often heard the claim that he was 4th, but also that he lost in a minitourament. I don't really know how it worked way back in the old days. It was clearly much different. Below are the entries from an Oklahoman article. 136.6 - John Smith. 1. John Fisher; 2. Troy Steiner; 3. Terry Brands; 4. Mini-tournament: Buddy Lee, Ken Wharry, Sean O'Day, Mike Gomez, Cary Kolat, Steve Knight, Joe Stukes. It went on to describe the schedule/format thusly "Mini-tournaments will be held today to determine the No. 4 seeds, which will go against the No. 3 seeds at each weight in the first of three, best-of-3 ladder challenges on Thursday. So I don't really know what that means. Maybe they wrestled the mini tournament and the winner of that had a best of three against Terry Brands and then the winner of that gets a best of three against Tory Stiener with the process repeating for the winner and John Fisher and then finally John Smith. That would seem like a totally wild format. Maybe the 4 seeds just wrestled either a bracket or a round robin with the winner wrestling the best of three with John Smith. The only results I know from the tournament were that Smith beat Fisher in the best of three and Steve Knight beat Kolat in the mini tournament final. Not sure how that would put Kolat 4th. Maybe Stiener or Brands ended up not wrestling so runner up in the mini-tournament became 4th in the challenge tournament and 5th on the ladder. Or maybe I don't understand the format at all.

I thought Kolat lost to Steve Knight at the 1992 trials and lost to John Fisher in 1996. I think Cross and Kolat were are different weights in 1992, so maybe this match happened at another event.

You have him ahead of Bartlett at 65kg?

It's crazy how even when PSU doesn't have the best class they still get the best results. As you point out 2021-2025 they had the number 1 ranked class 3x and they might have the best recruits from the other two years too. Ohio State's amazing 2022 class has so far produced 1 national title and 3 AA finishes ( 1st and 6th by Mendez and 5th by Feldman). The entirety of this recruiting class (8 wrestlers, 4 top 25, 3 top 5) have scored 51.5 team points at NCAAs. PSU's class of Levi Haines 1 national title, 2 AA finishes (2nd-1st), and scored 44 team points at NCAAs. Getting that out of 1 wrestler vs 3 to 8 and not using a redshirt year is big less resources being used for nearly the same results. OSU's top class in 2023 is kind of a bust so far with none of them currently starting. That will probably change as most are still there with 3 years of eligibility left, but they are unlikely to match PSU's output. Looking at the top teams, which is likely to score more points from their 2023 recruits this year at NCAAs? OSU #4 Brayden Thompson, #8 Christian Carroll, #9 Cael Hughes Michigan #14 Beau Mantanona, #16 Sergio Lemley, #23 Dylan Gilcher Iowa #2 Ben Kueter, #5 Gabe Arnold, #22 Ryder Block Cornell #1 Meyer Shapiro, #27 Simon Ruiz, #54 Marcello Milani, #63 Michael Dellagatta PSU #7 Josh Barr, #10 Tyler Kasak, #42 Braeden Davis

He's wearing a Michigan shirt

I think adding extra people will could help catch a mistake especially if it just one person doing the job. It may have changed things, but if this wasn't a mistake and how ATC normally handles the helicopters around DCA then maybe not. There was a near miss the day before with a helicopter maintaining visual separation which may indicate this kind of handling was routine by ATC. 30s could make a difference. The initial visual separation request was more than 30s before the crash. The helicopter likely didn't see the plane then either, so I'm not sure being told to pass behind at that time would make a difference. If they were in fact looking at the wrong plane they might not do anything different. If ATC told the helicopter to turn left as you suggested earlier that would avoid a collision if the helicopter turned. Would it be a normal instruction for a ATC to have a helicopter turn off one of the helicopter paths down the river and to the left would be the city/white house/ect. Certainly they could reject runway 33 and they could have executed a go round after accepting 33. The NTSB said the pilots briefly discussed the decision to accept 33, but haven't released the CVR transcript. Wouldn't such discussion be more or less whether the plane was capable of stopping on the runway in the conditions? A helicopter 10+ miles away wouldn't come up. The information they would have had displayed regarding the helicopter's position would have been supplied by the helicopter. It's possible this information was incorrect. The NTSB said that ATC's display had the CRJ at 200ft, but that they found the plane to be at 325+/-25ft at the time of the collision, so 200ft was clearly incorrect. Also at the same NTSB press conference the plane's CVR contents were discussed and a TCAS traffic advisory was heard in the cockpit 18s before the collision. Isn't this late? I thought TCAS was supposed to issue a TA 40s before a potential collision and an RA 25s before a collision.

I think the use of runway 33 in conjunction with the helicopter traffic is more significant than 1. There will likely be significant recommendations related to this. Maybe runway 33 will be closed. Maybe helicopter traffic rerouted. Maybe training ATC to handle these conflicts differently in the future including not relying on the helicopter to maintain visual separation. What basis would the pilots of the plane have to reject the request and say "unable 33?" The request was 2 minutes before the collision. Using the earlier math the helicopter would have been 10 mi away from the plane and not directly on front of it either. ATC had not yet advised the helicopter to maintain visual separation. Its not like the pilots have radar in the cockpit showing the position of the helicopter. The only way for them to know it was there was if they spotted it 10mi away looking outside. To me the only opportunity the airplane pilots had to break the sequence leading up to the accident would have been to take action when the received the TCAS TA which happened 18s before the crash, but even that seems unlikely.

An object traveling at constant velocity of 300mi/hr will travel about one mile in 12s. A few seconds before the collision is not enough time. The Blackhawk pilots might not have even had time to read the instruction back. There was a near miss the day before earlier around 8PM EST between a helicopter and a plane landing on another runway. Was staffing not normal then too? If not the extra controller was not what broke the chain of errors. It was a RA from the planes TCAS which resulted in a go round. I'm sure there will be discussion on staffing as a contributing factor in the final report, but a helicopter and a plane could come into conflict at a time when 1 controller was handling both.

I've never flown an aircraft anywhere much less DCA. I don't think either aircraft was waiting for ATC to get back to them in this situation. If near misses occur at times when there are two controllers doing this job or with only one controller but after 9:30 (or whenever it normally reduces to 1) then either they are must be understaffed even under normal operations or other factors are likely equally significant.

I don't think staffing will be the most significant cause/recommendation in the final report. It is unclear to be if we are comparing air traffic at the time of the incident to an hour later or less than an hour later. The crash happened at 8:47 PM and the report was that there was a single ATC was doing a job usually handled by two. One ATC often handles these two jobs later in the day, but on this particular day it happened an hour earlier than normal. To me that means that could mean that normally they have two ATCs until 9PM, but on this particular day they went down to 1 an hour earlier at 8PM. So we might be comparing traffic at 8:47 to 9:00 with could be similar. In any event I think it is likely that at some point under normal staffing a single ATC would be directing a similar number of planes and helicopters and have to manage a conflict like this. NASA's aviation safety reporting system database has 23 near misses between helicopters and planes at DCA since 1988 and 10 in the past 12 years. Did they all occur when a single controller was covering two sectors?

I'm sure there will be staffing recommendations by the NTSB, but I don't think it will be the most significant cause. At the time of the accident reports are that one controller was manning to stations/sectors. This was not normal for the time, and usually would have occurred an hour later than it did. So less than an hour later the staffing would have normal and it seems like the same thing could have happened.

The only wrestler Sanderson beat in folk style whilst in college that had already won a national title was Lee Fullhart in the Midlands finals his senior year. Fullhart had graduated three years earlier in 1999. If you're going to count wrestlers that went on to later win NCAA titles Sanderson beat four of those in college. He beat Damien Hahn, Mark Munoz, Rob Rohn and Brad Vering before they won NCAA titles. If you don't want to count Hahn because he should have lost to Trenge, Cael also beat Trenge. If you don't want to count Rohn because he was lucky to beat Lambecht, Sanderson also beat Lambecht multiple times and by bonus every time. Mark Munoz (Oklahoma State) 10-2 MD Brad Vering (Nebraska) FORFEIT W Brad Vering (Nebraska) 9-5 D Brad Vering (Nebraska) 1:58 FALL Damion Hahn (Minnesota) 4-3 D Rob Rohn (Lehigh) 20-5 TF Lee Fullhart (Team Excel) 5-3 D Finalists Vertus Jones (West Virginia) 6-5 D Brandon Eggum (Minnesota) 6-1 D Brandon Eggum (Minnesota) 7-4 D Brandon Eggum (Minnesota) 8-0 MD Daniel Cormier (Oklahoma State) 20-9 MD Brandon Eggum (Minnesota) 6-1 D Daniel Cormier (Oklahoma State) 8-4 D Brandon Eggum (Minnesota) 16-5 MD Vertus Jones (West Virginia) 19-6 MD Josh Lambrecht (Oklahoma) 12-4 MD Josh Lambrecht (Oklahoma) 16-8 MD Daniel Cormier (Oklahoma State) 14-3 MD Daniel Cormier (Oklahoma State) 10-3 D Josh Lambrecht (Oklahoma) 25-10 MD Daniel Cormier (Oklahoma State) 8-3 D Daniel Cormier (Oklahoma State) 8-4 D Ryan Fulsass (Iowa) 1:41 FALL Jon Trenge (Lehigh) 16-5 MD Ryan Fulaas (Iowa) FORFEIT Jon Trenge (Lehigh) 6-1 D Scott Barker (Missouri) 22-7 TF Scott Barker (Missouri) 21-4 TF Jon Trenge (Lehigh) 12-4 MD

He also beat Hahn.

Which 4xer do you have Askren above? I don't see a lot of 4xers he could be above. Sanderson, Dake, Stieber, Diakomihalis, and Brooks all won world medals at the senior level.

I rewatched it and Smith was called for stalling when they went out of bounds in the first period. Clemson complained that Smith attempted to circle repeatedly and Arnold wouldn't let him in. Essentially that Smith didn't back out. At the time Arnold had an underhook and was not really attacking so much as pushing. Below I've pasted links to the two stall calls. Probably more of a case for stalling on Arnold in the first because he was reaching towards Smith's leg the second time. Also notable was the stoppage with 1:00 left shortly before the Arnold stall call. Arnold had just defended Smith's shot and as Smith was getting back up Arnold two handed shoved Smith out of bounds for the restart. Stall call may have been a makeup for the 1st period call which was a little harsh on Smith or the result of an accumulation of borderline OOB push/shoves by Arnold. 1st period stalling on Smith. https://youtu.be/HSEjpHpmTag?si=j59u6IfEacBH8IaE&t=75 3rd period stalling on Arnold https://youtu.be/HSEjpHpmTag?si=ynfpHItJ37_ZvXeI&t=546

Earlier in the match (1st period?) they went out of bounds and Maryland coach Clemson got up and ran over to the head table complaining the entire way. He got a warning from the official. In the moment I thought that Clemson was complaining about nothing and it reminded me of Starocci's twitter comments about Clemson last year. Later in the match when the official gave Arnold that stall call I thought that must be what Clemson was complaining about earlier. He must have complained that Arnold was pushing Smith about of bounds and that it should have been a stall call on Arnold. When the neutral out of bounds rule changed back in 2015 the official was given 3 options when the wrestlers go out of bounds in the neutral position.

125: #6 Luke Lilledahl dec #28 Joey Cruz 133: #7 Braeden Davis dec #3 Drake Ayala 141: #3 Beau Bartlett dec #31 Ryder Block 149: #4 Shanye Van Ness dec #2 Kyle Parco 157: #3 Tyler Kasak dec #1 Jacori Teemer 165: #1 Mitchell Mesenbrink TF #2 Mikey Caliendo 174: #2 Levi Haines dec #5 Patrick Kennedy 184: #1 Carter Starocci dec Angelo Ferrari 197: #4 Josh Barr Dec #1 Stephen Buchanan 285: #2 Greg Kerkvliet Dec #11 Ben Kueter PSU over Iowa 32-0 A little late. But I think I have the right answer.

I am talking about NTSB investigations. The goal of those Determine the facts, conditions, and circumstances relating to an accident; Determine one or more probable causes; and Issue safety recommendations to prevent or mitigate the effects of a similar accident The last item is really the most important, but can't be done without the other two steps. It seems like the first two were largely skipped over. Why Trump would spend so much time discussing DEI? He's largely skipped the first two steps and went straight to eliminating DEI as the answer. That's not productive. How? It seems inevitable that the flight paths of commercial and military aircraft's will intersect. It cannot be eliminated. This raises more questions than solutions. Why was the helicopter there? Was it? I heard that the controller was managing two stations/sectors at the time. Was that because 11 people were assigned to be working at the time of the accident and did not show up? I am skeptical of this. There is probably more to it. Is this a problem that needs fixing? If both helicopters and airlines are operating in the same area one person directing both might be needed to keep everyone on the same page. It should be separately investigated. May or may not be related. If an incompetent ATC ended up directing air traffic at a commercial airport then investigate how that happened. Too many assumptions are needed to blame DEI or anything in the hiring or training process at this point. The ultimate goal of the investigation should be to make recommendations to prevent future accidents. You are talking about the plane that was landed in the Hudson by Sully, right? I haven't seen the movie, but I am somewhat familiar with the incident. I don't believe the pilots were identified as one of the causes by the NTSB. The NTSB had real pilots in simulators attempt to make it to back LaGuardia and to Teterboro. Seven of the 13 simulations resulted in the plane making it to LaGuardia and one of the two Teterboro simulations were successful. Ultimately these simulations were unfair as the pilots executing them knew exactly what they had to do. When adding a 35s buffer to simulate the time a pilot would need to assess the situation in real life the pilot in the simulators not able to make it back to LaGuardia. The actual NTSB report had dozens of recommendations none of which were to hire genius pilots.

It highly likely to be irrelevant. The FAA hiring practices really only apply to one of the many people that may be involved in this - the ATC. Military helicopter pilots, airline pilots, mechanics, the military officers that set the helicopter's route the FAA hiring practices wouldn't apply to any of them, since none were hired by the FAA. It might apply to the controller, but if that individual was hired before DEI practices started under Obama or during Trump's last term when he suspended them it would be irrelevant. It would also be irrelevant if the controller was hired under Biden's administration and he would have been hired even after the powerful executive order Trump signed last week. Finally, even if the controller would not be hired today after the powerful executive order it would still be irrelevant if the controller was doing what any other controller in that position would do immediately before the accident. Why spend so much time talking about something that only has remote chance of being relevant? You even blame the helicopter pilots, which would make it germane, but you shouldn't be doing that. The goal of an investigation for something like this should be to make aviation safer not to assign blame. Sure if the helicopter pilots maintained visual separation the crash would not have happened, but don't put a "Period." on that. The next obvious question is why didn't they follow ATC's direction? If crash was caused by a mistake that a competent pilot could make then it is bound to happen again, so the process should be adjusted. If simply a case of an incompetent pilot then the question would be how did an incompetent pilot come to be operating a helicopter in the vicinity of DCA and what processes could be changed to prevent that in the future. In any case the failure will go farther than a single mistake by a pilot or ATC.

This wasn't a training flight as in someone learning to fly. The helicopter pilots were experienced and operating out of Fort Belvoir, which is ~12mi from DCA. There will be military helicopters flying around the Potomac. Too many important military things along that stretch of river.

Pretty sure Estrada doesn't have any dates left so he would need to burn his shirt to do this. This was discussed on FRL ahead of the Ohio State match and they said he was out of dates and predicted we'd see Teemer, which turned out to be the case.

He will answer this question pretty definitively in less than a week.

The question was which team benefited most from the transfer portal. Kerk used the transfer portal. PSU benefited. This seems like it would be on topic to me.

Yeah I don't know why the NWCA National Duals Championship Series or whatever they called it back in 2016 and 2017 died. I suspect it was all the other largely irrelevant matchups didn't generate interest. I think Iowa wrestled Edinboro in it one year and Edinboro were far off their 2015 peak by that point. Pretty sure Lugo upset Sorenson in that dual. Had no issues streaming that on Flo which was far different than the OSU-PSU streaming fiasco. It was pretty much PSU vs OSU both years.

Though he's never really given a direct reason why they don't do it, I think this might be why Sanderson did National Duals at ISU and hasn't at PSU. In the Big Ten PSU wrestles nearly all the top teams anyway. When the NWCA did the bowl style matchups in 2016 and 2017 they wrestled OSU who was ranked 2nd one year and 3rd the other year. It was the highest ranked team PSU had not yet wrestled. He probably sees having a 16 team tournament to at the end possibly get one quality dual that they wouldn't wrestle anyway as a waste of time. All the national title contenders are either in the Big Ten or the Big 12 anyway, but have the two team champs wrestle.