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I really don't know. The Rudis website has his birthday as January 2007 - https://www.rudis.com/pages/athlete-detail-bo-bassett

I was wrong about Bassett's age. He was born January of 2007. He just turned 18, so no double hold back or anything like that. He will turn 19 in early January of his senior year in high school, Kolat turned 19 in May of his senior year. About a 4 month age diff.

Pointing out that that Midlands were often tougher than NCAAs and guys like Joe Williams would wrestle in it after graduation are both not applicable to Kolat's 3rd place finish. Selecting Joe Williams as your example was especially funny because he wouldn't wrestle in Midlands for another 5 years, but as I also pointed out there were no significant post grad entires in Kolat's bracket. No post grad wrestler that had placed at the D1 NCAA tournament was in Kolat's bracket in 1989. His bracket was not tougher than the 118 bracket at the 1990 NCAA tournament. Both NCAA finalists and the 7th place finisher were there. Kolat beat the 7th place finisher didn't wrestle the other two. I think the presence of the 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, and 8th place finishers at NCAAs more than makes up for Kolat's absence. The two facts you gave might be true of some weight at Midlands in 1989, but they were not true of Kolat's.

I think Kolat would have had a chance to win at 126 as a senior, but in Dec of 1991 he was likely a 134 at. He wrestled 135lbs in high school competition and 62kg at the Olympic trials in 1992. 1991 was the year Alan Fried pinned Tom Brands in the final. Fried also has a very accomplished high school career and had placed 2nd to Brands at NCAAs the year before as a redshirt freshman. I think Fried beat Kolat at the US Open some year after this (1995?) and before Kolat eventually made a world team in 1997. Kolat finally won the Midlands in 1993. He would have had a decent shot at winning her year before, 1992. TJ Jaworsky won Midlands at 134 that year which was the same season he came from behind to beat Kolat in the NCAA final.

He took 3rd at Midlands back in 1989. Joe WIlliams is younger than Kolat and would not win the tournament until 5 years later in 1994. This is a year after Kolat won Midlands for the first time. In 1989 when Kolat placed third there were no significant post grad entries in his bracket. Bassett turned 18 in August of last year. He will turn 19 in August of this year and graduate in June of next year. I think this puts him two years older than if he had enrolled at the min age in PA. However if he had done that he would have been one of the youngest graduates in his class like you probably were. Kolat turned 18 in May of his junior year. He turned 19 in may of his senior year. I think this puts him a year older than enrollment at the min age. Kolat had enrolled at the min age and famously intentionally failed 8th grade the first time through. In cases like theirs (and all cases really) I think the hold back holds back wrestling development. Kolat beat AAs in placing 3rd at the Midlands in Dec of 1989 when he was 16 years old. He was too far ahead of his peers by the end of his junior year and would have been better off in a college room. Bassett beat Anthony Ashnault 12-2 last spring at their last chance OTT qualifier when he was 17 years old. Hard to imagine he gets much out of wrestling a high school schedule next year.

Kolat was 3rd at the Midland in 1989 when he was a sophomore in high school. He lost to Sam Geraci in the first round. I think Garaci was the junior college champ that year. Kolat avenged that loss in the consolations. His best win was over Bobby Crawford (Missouri) who would go on to place 7th at NCAA in 1990. Larry Jones beat Jack Griffin in the final at this weight, but having lost in the first round Kolat did not wrestle either of them Kolat was 4th at the Midlands in 1990, his junior year in high school. Kolat lost in the quarterfinals for Ken Chertow 2-1. Chertow was a post grad at this point and had placed 6th at NCAAs the year before as a senior. He was 3rd at NCAAs in 1988 the same year he made the US Olympic team. I've heard that Kolat was penalized for a slam in this match which ultimately proved to be the difference. Chertown would go on to win the tournament defeating Terry Brands in the final 7-4. Kolat beat Shawn Charles (ASU) 7-3 in the consolations. Charles was 5th at NCAAs in 1990 and would go on to place 7th that season. Kolat dropped an overtime bout with Adam DiSabato (Ohio State). DiSabato was 6th at NCAAs the year earlier and would go on to place 4h that year in 1991. In summary Kolat beat two AAs in high school at Midlands. Bobby Crawford his sophomore season and Shawn Charles his junior season.

We should get another important data point on this topic later today.

9 in the top 15 between those years. Spots fill up resources are allocated. PSU can't get them all every year.

Kolat graduated high school in 1992. The 1992 olympic trials would have been the spring of his senior year. The 1991 US Open was likely the spring of his junior year. His junior year I'm pretty sure he was 4th at Midlands and his sophomore year he was 3rd. At some point in high school he beat 1989 NCAA champion Sean O'Day. I think that was in freestyle. Still not sure the format of the 1992 trials and losing to Knight in the mini tournament finals makes him 4th. I also found that Steiner was 3rd at the trails, so maybe Brands didn't wrestle and the final ranking was something like Smith>Fisher>Steiner<>Knight>Kolat with Kolat's 4th place referring to the challenge tournament and Steiner's 3rd place possibly referring to either the challenge tournament or overall.

The 1992 trials were Kolat's senior year of high school. I have often heard the claim that he was 4th, but also that he lost in a minitourament. I don't really know how it worked way back in the old days. It was clearly much different. Below are the entries from an Oklahoman article. 136.6 - John Smith. 1. John Fisher; 2. Troy Steiner; 3. Terry Brands; 4. Mini-tournament: Buddy Lee, Ken Wharry, Sean O'Day, Mike Gomez, Cary Kolat, Steve Knight, Joe Stukes. It went on to describe the schedule/format thusly "Mini-tournaments will be held today to determine the No. 4 seeds, which will go against the No. 3 seeds at each weight in the first of three, best-of-3 ladder challenges on Thursday. So I don't really know what that means. Maybe they wrestled the mini tournament and the winner of that had a best of three against Terry Brands and then the winner of that gets a best of three against Tory Stiener with the process repeating for the winner and John Fisher and then finally John Smith. That would seem like a totally wild format. Maybe the 4 seeds just wrestled either a bracket or a round robin with the winner wrestling the best of three with John Smith. The only results I know from the tournament were that Smith beat Fisher in the best of three and Steve Knight beat Kolat in the mini tournament final. Not sure how that would put Kolat 4th. Maybe Stiener or Brands ended up not wrestling so runner up in the mini-tournament became 4th in the challenge tournament and 5th on the ladder. Or maybe I don't understand the format at all.

I thought Kolat lost to Steve Knight at the 1992 trials and lost to John Fisher in 1996. I think Cross and Kolat were are different weights in 1992, so maybe this match happened at another event.

You have him ahead of Bartlett at 65kg?

It's crazy how even when PSU doesn't have the best class they still get the best results. As you point out 2021-2025 they had the number 1 ranked class 3x and they might have the best recruits from the other two years too. Ohio State's amazing 2022 class has so far produced 1 national title and 3 AA finishes ( 1st and 6th by Mendez and 5th by Feldman). The entirety of this recruiting class (8 wrestlers, 4 top 25, 3 top 5) have scored 51.5 team points at NCAAs. PSU's class of Levi Haines 1 national title, 2 AA finishes (2nd-1st), and scored 44 team points at NCAAs. Getting that out of 1 wrestler vs 3 to 8 and not using a redshirt year is big less resources being used for nearly the same results. OSU's top class in 2023 is kind of a bust so far with none of them currently starting. That will probably change as most are still there with 3 years of eligibility left, but they are unlikely to match PSU's output. Looking at the top teams, which is likely to score more points from their 2023 recruits this year at NCAAs? OSU #4 Brayden Thompson, #8 Christian Carroll, #9 Cael Hughes Michigan #14 Beau Mantanona, #16 Sergio Lemley, #23 Dylan Gilcher Iowa #2 Ben Kueter, #5 Gabe Arnold, #22 Ryder Block Cornell #1 Meyer Shapiro, #27 Simon Ruiz, #54 Marcello Milani, #63 Michael Dellagatta PSU #7 Josh Barr, #10 Tyler Kasak, #42 Braeden Davis

He's wearing a Michigan shirt

I think adding extra people will could help catch a mistake especially if it just one person doing the job. It may have changed things, but if this wasn't a mistake and how ATC normally handles the helicopters around DCA then maybe not. There was a near miss the day before with a helicopter maintaining visual separation which may indicate this kind of handling was routine by ATC. 30s could make a difference. The initial visual separation request was more than 30s before the crash. The helicopter likely didn't see the plane then either, so I'm not sure being told to pass behind at that time would make a difference. If they were in fact looking at the wrong plane they might not do anything different. If ATC told the helicopter to turn left as you suggested earlier that would avoid a collision if the helicopter turned. Would it be a normal instruction for a ATC to have a helicopter turn off one of the helicopter paths down the river and to the left would be the city/white house/ect. Certainly they could reject runway 33 and they could have executed a go round after accepting 33. The NTSB said the pilots briefly discussed the decision to accept 33, but haven't released the CVR transcript. Wouldn't such discussion be more or less whether the plane was capable of stopping on the runway in the conditions? A helicopter 10+ miles away wouldn't come up. The information they would have had displayed regarding the helicopter's position would have been supplied by the helicopter. It's possible this information was incorrect. The NTSB said that ATC's display had the CRJ at 200ft, but that they found the plane to be at 325+/-25ft at the time of the collision, so 200ft was clearly incorrect. Also at the same NTSB press conference the plane's CVR contents were discussed and a TCAS traffic advisory was heard in the cockpit 18s before the collision. Isn't this late? I thought TCAS was supposed to issue a TA 40s before a potential collision and an RA 25s before a collision.

I think the use of runway 33 in conjunction with the helicopter traffic is more significant than 1. There will likely be significant recommendations related to this. Maybe runway 33 will be closed. Maybe helicopter traffic rerouted. Maybe training ATC to handle these conflicts differently in the future including not relying on the helicopter to maintain visual separation. What basis would the pilots of the plane have to reject the request and say "unable 33?" The request was 2 minutes before the collision. Using the earlier math the helicopter would have been 10 mi away from the plane and not directly on front of it either. ATC had not yet advised the helicopter to maintain visual separation. Its not like the pilots have radar in the cockpit showing the position of the helicopter. The only way for them to know it was there was if they spotted it 10mi away looking outside. To me the only opportunity the airplane pilots had to break the sequence leading up to the accident would have been to take action when the received the TCAS TA which happened 18s before the crash, but even that seems unlikely.

An object traveling at constant velocity of 300mi/hr will travel about one mile in 12s. A few seconds before the collision is not enough time. The Blackhawk pilots might not have even had time to read the instruction back. There was a near miss the day before earlier around 8PM EST between a helicopter and a plane landing on another runway. Was staffing not normal then too? If not the extra controller was not what broke the chain of errors. It was a RA from the planes TCAS which resulted in a go round. I'm sure there will be discussion on staffing as a contributing factor in the final report, but a helicopter and a plane could come into conflict at a time when 1 controller was handling both.

I've never flown an aircraft anywhere much less DCA. I don't think either aircraft was waiting for ATC to get back to them in this situation. If near misses occur at times when there are two controllers doing this job or with only one controller but after 9:30 (or whenever it normally reduces to 1) then either they are must be understaffed even under normal operations or other factors are likely equally significant.

I don't think staffing will be the most significant cause/recommendation in the final report. It is unclear to be if we are comparing air traffic at the time of the incident to an hour later or less than an hour later. The crash happened at 8:47 PM and the report was that there was a single ATC was doing a job usually handled by two. One ATC often handles these two jobs later in the day, but on this particular day it happened an hour earlier than normal. To me that means that could mean that normally they have two ATCs until 9PM, but on this particular day they went down to 1 an hour earlier at 8PM. So we might be comparing traffic at 8:47 to 9:00 with could be similar. In any event I think it is likely that at some point under normal staffing a single ATC would be directing a similar number of planes and helicopters and have to manage a conflict like this. NASA's aviation safety reporting system database has 23 near misses between helicopters and planes at DCA since 1988 and 10 in the past 12 years. Did they all occur when a single controller was covering two sectors?

I'm sure there will be staffing recommendations by the NTSB, but I don't think it will be the most significant cause. At the time of the accident reports are that one controller was manning to stations/sectors. This was not normal for the time, and usually would have occurred an hour later than it did. So less than an hour later the staffing would have normal and it seems like the same thing could have happened.

The only wrestler Sanderson beat in folk style whilst in college that had already won a national title was Lee Fullhart in the Midlands finals his senior year. Fullhart had graduated three years earlier in 1999. If you're going to count wrestlers that went on to later win NCAA titles Sanderson beat four of those in college. He beat Damien Hahn, Mark Munoz, Rob Rohn and Brad Vering before they won NCAA titles. If you don't want to count Hahn because he should have lost to Trenge, Cael also beat Trenge. If you don't want to count Rohn because he was lucky to beat Lambecht, Sanderson also beat Lambecht multiple times and by bonus every time. Mark Munoz (Oklahoma State) 10-2 MD Brad Vering (Nebraska) FORFEIT W Brad Vering (Nebraska) 9-5 D Brad Vering (Nebraska) 1:58 FALL Damion Hahn (Minnesota) 4-3 D Rob Rohn (Lehigh) 20-5 TF Lee Fullhart (Team Excel) 5-3 D Finalists Vertus Jones (West Virginia) 6-5 D Brandon Eggum (Minnesota) 6-1 D Brandon Eggum (Minnesota) 7-4 D Brandon Eggum (Minnesota) 8-0 MD Daniel Cormier (Oklahoma State) 20-9 MD Brandon Eggum (Minnesota) 6-1 D Daniel Cormier (Oklahoma State) 8-4 D Brandon Eggum (Minnesota) 16-5 MD Vertus Jones (West Virginia) 19-6 MD Josh Lambrecht (Oklahoma) 12-4 MD Josh Lambrecht (Oklahoma) 16-8 MD Daniel Cormier (Oklahoma State) 14-3 MD Daniel Cormier (Oklahoma State) 10-3 D Josh Lambrecht (Oklahoma) 25-10 MD Daniel Cormier (Oklahoma State) 8-3 D Daniel Cormier (Oklahoma State) 8-4 D Ryan Fulsass (Iowa) 1:41 FALL Jon Trenge (Lehigh) 16-5 MD Ryan Fulaas (Iowa) FORFEIT Jon Trenge (Lehigh) 6-1 D Scott Barker (Missouri) 22-7 TF Scott Barker (Missouri) 21-4 TF Jon Trenge (Lehigh) 12-4 MD

He also beat Hahn.

Which 4xer do you have Askren above? I don't see a lot of 4xers he could be above. Sanderson, Dake, Stieber, Diakomihalis, and Brooks all won world medals at the senior level.

I rewatched it and Smith was called for stalling when they went out of bounds in the first period. Clemson complained that Smith attempted to circle repeatedly and Arnold wouldn't let him in. Essentially that Smith didn't back out. At the time Arnold had an underhook and was not really attacking so much as pushing. Below I've pasted links to the two stall calls. Probably more of a case for stalling on Arnold in the first because he was reaching towards Smith's leg the second time. Also notable was the stoppage with 1:00 left shortly before the Arnold stall call. Arnold had just defended Smith's shot and as Smith was getting back up Arnold two handed shoved Smith out of bounds for the restart. Stall call may have been a makeup for the 1st period call which was a little harsh on Smith or the result of an accumulation of borderline OOB push/shoves by Arnold. 1st period stalling on Smith. https://youtu.be/HSEjpHpmTag?si=j59u6IfEacBH8IaE&t=75 3rd period stalling on Arnold https://youtu.be/HSEjpHpmTag?si=ynfpHItJ37_ZvXeI&t=546

Earlier in the match (1st period?) they went out of bounds and Maryland coach Clemson got up and ran over to the head table complaining the entire way. He got a warning from the official. In the moment I thought that Clemson was complaining about nothing and it reminded me of Starocci's twitter comments about Clemson last year. Later in the match when the official gave Arnold that stall call I thought that must be what Clemson was complaining about earlier. He must have complained that Arnold was pushing Smith about of bounds and that it should have been a stall call on Arnold. When the neutral out of bounds rule changed back in 2015 the official was given 3 options when the wrestlers go out of bounds in the neutral position.