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Our Economy not only didn't crash(as Trump stated it would or had dozens of times) but it was actually the strongest economy and quickest recovery from Covid.

Just rambling? Cool.

Why is it SO hard for you to answer how much debt it's healthy for the United States to carry? Is Google not giving you a good enough answer? You go from saying "when did I say eliminate the debt," then when I pointed out that was one of your last posts, you post this like I haven't been talking about the deficit...which is how much we add to the debt yearly. In Trump's last 4 years, it was ~8 Trillion he added to the debt.

It's your post, why don't YOU add it? Ok, so your question is "aren't there discussions...?" I don't know. This is totally speculative and contrary to everything Trump has said about taxes. What Trump has ACTUALLY advocated was cutting taxes that would equate to at least 9T added to the debt over the next 10 years. And how much did Trump's tax cuts on the wealthy add? Yes. This is why I said "when I bother to look at your posts." The conversation generally goes like this...which is you just posting 5-6 times in a row and...not a single original thought.

Literally 12 minutes ago. But I see you failed to answer the question. What is the ideal debt for the United States. You couldn't answer.

"Are here not discussions?" I don't know what that means. As for Trump raising the marginal tax rate after 1M? Yeah, I supposed that's something I want. It's WELL down on my list of things I'd like to see the Federal Government do as it pertains to the economy... NOT starting trade Wars is the FIRST thing. But as I said, you claimed Trump "proposed" a higher tax rate than Obama did. I'm pointing out to you...he has not. He has actually said the EXACT opposite. Do you understand "reports" and then what Trump has ACTUALLY said?

No, I do...when I bother to look at your posts. You just started a thread to re-post something I'd already posted in a direct reply to you.

You're the guy who listens to the "DOGE" team and really thinks they're cutting billions a day in debt. But...sure, cut out the fraud. Do you have a concept of how large our debt is? That even if you were to assume ALL non Social Security, Medicare, Military spending is debt, how long would it take-with NO other Govt spending- to eliminate the deficit and then the debt? Also, what is the target debt YOU believe the US should aim for?

No, he has not Jimmy. I posted the same link(I know you don't bother reading them, but it outlined RUMORS about what he was considering). One was 40-41% on 1M and above and the other was just rolling it back to Obama level eras. Can I ask what your point is? Trump hasn't said a word about this. This is all rumors. Am I to believe you believe all rumors from about the Trump administration? Show me where Trump has said ANYTHING other than cutting tax rates before you tell me "he's proposed" anything.

Ok. I'm just explaining to you what the "stop spending" in order to eliminate the debt would entail. So...are we eliminating the debt? Shrinking the GDP? Do you think wiping out 5T in wealth is a good start?

He's proposted just rolling them back. The tax cuts that added a couple trillion to the deficit. I doubt he'd go above Obama(again...just do one post).

You realize being the largest economy in the world IS ALL the power you need, right? Just making up tariff rates that you're being charged based on trade deficits is...absurd. But I'm glad you know "it's called leverage." To be clear though, you think Trump is lying when he says he's not going to negotiate, these ARE the new tariffs and they're not changing? You don't believe that? Also, is there a reason you can't put this all in one post? It's not like these are especially poignant arguments. They're literally just ripping off the MAGA talking points from Twitter.

Stop spending? That's not policy that's a vague and meaningless talking point. Social Security(which means...you probably also stop taxing), Medicare and the Military? Here's the reality though...and it's not complicated. The larger your tax base is, the easier it is to get out of debt. When your GDP GROWS...even without raising taxes, you've got MORE money coming in to service the debt. When your GDP CONTRACTS, the debt will grow. Margin taxes rates above 1M dollars increasing will help. They were over 90% in the 50s under Eisenhower when we were paying off debt accumulated from WWII and the Great Depression. We could slash defense spending? We have an outline of how to get out of this debt whilst still prospering. That's not going to happen again(the extremely high tax rates). We also have an outline of how to make things exponentially worse(that IS happening).

And...yet again, another reference to Bernie from 2008 talking about targeted tariffs on CHINA. Do you know what he and McCain actually endorsed? I get this is making it's way around conservative talking points, using a man who Trump and Conservatives said would bankrupt this economy with his economic policies(I remember constant references to Venezuela because he talked about Medicare For All and raising taxes on the wealthy). Are we all going to get together and vote for Bernie in 2028(assuming Trump doesn't...use one of those legal mechanisms that he believes he has to run again)? Should I keep spamming the Reagan take on tariffs?

It's kinda funny how people forget how Trump became an afterthought in the 90s. After he bankrupted casinos and he was toxic to touch.

Yeah, I posted about this several times in the last couple days Jimmy. I think what people would have to bitch about would be...the trade war that we've started. I'm perfectly fine with raising taxes. Going BACK to where taxes were under Obama for the money you make OVER 1 million dollars? Great. We need to do something about the deficit and then hopefully find a surplus. Decimating global trade...that's not a good starting point.

Chronology WAS your first divergence(at least the first you articulated to me)...asking how could Smoot-Hawley have caused it when it wasn't signed until after the crash...but fine. Ok...but as it pertains to the actual bill, what you're telling me is that despite a bill to introduce a specific tariff on one industry, instead they implemented a bill that introduced tariffs on...I believe it was ~90 different industries and tens of thousands of good when all was said and done and that decimated the economy, and at the VERY least SIGNIFICANTLY contributed to the Great Depression, right? Lets agree that Smoot-Hawley was merely something a catalyst that set off a recession that was inevitable and then other things led to it last ~12 years(fair?). I'd ask why there is SUCH an immediate correlation to the unemployment of the 1930s started ALMOST immediately after Hoover actually signed it, but...again, just agree Smoot-Hawley=VERY-VERY bad. So my question would be, if Smoot-Hawley, which initially was meant to protect our agricultural industry before every other industry began asking for their own little carve out, if THAT backfired by eventually serving as a blanket tariff, why would we possible go back to that same policy on purpose nearly 100 years later? And to put a finer point on my belief about Smoot-Hawley, I think the Economy was showing some cracks, the masive wealth inequality is...unhealthy for every free market, and the Federal Government needed to step in and help bolster some industries as it has since done on countless occasions. We had built up during the industrial revolution and our we were growing far more produce than we needed(so we actually NEEDED global trade). We MAY have seen a recession that could have been akin to the Housing Crisis. But we lost about 65% of our Global trade as a result... and rather than an economic slowdown, we did the worst thing we possibly could have at that time. We started an escalating trade war that led to a depression-IN PART(fair?) that we eventually had to spend our way out of with WWII.

You're teaching ME now, right? That's what you wanted the opportunity to do? What types of tariffs did Hoover ask for? Further more, what have I said about targeted tariffs for an industry vs blanket tariffs? I believe I've made my point ABUNDANTLY clear on this citing examples just of Reagan with Motorcycles, Semiconductors, the 1960s, the "Chicken War," I brought up. That was Europe protecting one of IT'S key industries. Now answer those and then...maybe it's possible you'll see how Smoot-Hawley led to the Great Depression. But you have to do some of this and have some foundation on your own. You started this by quite proudly pointing out that the tariffs didn't go into effect until after the market crashed. Well...have Trump's tariffs gone into effect yet? What's happened to the markets?

There are people who have different opinions or are interested in justifying what Trump is doing(not sure how)...and then there's 'lil Jimmy. He's just taking his replies straight off twitter and almost none of them actually make sense. The WORST thing you can possibly do if you want to cut the debt...is to see your GDP go from growing at nearly 4%(which is what Biden left him with) to watching it contract...which is what will invariably happen if Trump doesn't do an about face and pull back on these tariffs. What is beyond doubt now is that this is not the Republican Party. They've abandoned all principles they had. It's just...an incoherent following of Trump no matter how much damage it does to this Country. -Family Values -Free Market -Conservationist(that one has been hit or miss for years) The GOP died when conservatives were too afraid to push back against Trump OR they only started to do so on their way out...as Mitch McConnel is doing now.

But hey, there's not been a recession of depression 3 days within him announcing these so...apparently it's going great.

This could be a toss-up. Why is "trumpescorts" trademarked?

Jimmy...bud. I'm leaving you unread here. So I don't know what's taking you two posts here, or 5 in the other thread to respond to whatever you're talking about now, but...I doubt it's going to be all that enlightening that I'll regret it.

That's...just lazy lil Jimmy. I get it. You thought you had a super clever comeback and it didn't really work out. Topic-How the Democrats handling of the Economy vs the Republicans That's what everyone is posting about. But you just blurted out Vietnam and Cambodia, never making any actual point...but it wasn't even about that! LOL...sure bud.

Ok, so your response to show me one metric that supports your point about Republicans handling the Economy better than the Democrats is "Vietnam and Cambodia," and then when I call you on that, you make a joke because...I foolishly said on here I had a parent headed to hospice? The difference 'JImmy' is I'm not upset because I'm losing an argument here like you are, I'm upset because what Trump is doing is just objectively harmful to to the Economy. You're upset because you're incapable of actually articulating an independent thought...but I'm sure you thought that was really clever.

Yeah...cool. That's a great reason for why Russia was left off the list of tariffs. "They're negotiating." And any reason for why an Island of Penguins were put on it? It's clear this entire topic is really over your head. You're not able to even attempt to make a coherent argument.