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And as I've found on this thread...that seems to be the majority of his party. Also, explain the second part. You're saying they'd never actually go mainstream, right? Not that they have? Because...there are...well, as you said, 'nutjobs,' who think that "MAPs" have actually become mainstream.

1-Cool. So did Bush and so did FDR. They were wrong. The Constitution isn't there for convenance. 2-Sure Sheryl Crow. If it makes you happy...to believe that, I don't care. As long as you 'understand' why he asked GA to just "find me 11,800 votes." What is the point of this? What is your end goal here beyond justifying him attempting to circumvent the constitution in an attempt to stay in power(while people on this board just dismiss the notion that he may try and run again in '28)?

Yeah, you think you're making it better and you're just describing mens rea. I don't care. You want to say you "understand" why a pedophile is a pedophile because they are inherently attracted to underage kids? Sure. You can be the most understanding of criminals as you'd like. But what do you want here? 1-AS I've said, from testimony from both legal and Civil Trials, Trump KNEW he'd lost and there wasn't widespread voting. He didn't believe it. 2-Understanding WHY someone murders someone or attempts treason...is that really an argument you're trying to make like it's some really nuanced thinking? There aren't many ways to make money in urban areas. People don't see a way out. I understand WHY they turn to drugs and how that leads to turf wars and kids getting shot in the crossfire. I mean, Christ, how far do you want to go with this, "I understand" nonsense?

Yes. And you can say it was about stalling, they'd stalled. The clock had run out. Also, the Court DID hear cases. Not all just as you're not going to have a criminal trial if you the judge doesn't find probable cause at a hearing. That's largely what people are complaining about. There was no evidence but they They heard cases at the time, they heard cases afterward, that's just nonsense. They had nothing. You think all these Trump supporters, Bowers, Reffensperger, etc... And then they went by a person by person audit in a couple counties and...it wasn't there. They just did not find it. Finally, Trump and his team, we now know, they KNEW how this was going to play out broadly speaking. That in States like Florida, they'd have the Democrats up early. In States they wait(because of the GOP's laws) and count the day of vote first, he'd be up early. Back to the first question, yes, unequivocally, yes. There were people who wanted him reinstalled.

Yeah, that's...cute and reductive, but no, starting a trade war with the rest of the world is not just "doesn't do what we think is right." As for the insider trading...that could have been anyone, but the market action before it was announced speaks for itself.

I wouldn't put it past the CCP wanting to do this, but...it kinda sounds like something that starts on X or whatever. People learning this that quickly and thinking the US wouldn't be tracking that stuff?

Ok. I'd seen he bought it at auction, but if he didn't...my mistake.

Elon? LOL...what have I even said about Elon? I actually love how Elon has spent on Nvidia GPUs and...don't particularly care about him. I sold Tesla and I'm glad after the last earnings because...he didn't sound well(and yes, I do listen to the earnings reports of most of the companies I invest in or companies that impact them). He was kinda rambling and incoherent. Trump? No, not everything. I LOVED that he saw how terrible his policy was and he was able to reverse course. Again, are you missing how this started? A stupid question that obviously jross posed in an intellectually dishonest manner as he phrased as though he wanted feedback on what the liberals on this board thought of it and I said what? Was I in favor of EVER using violence in politics? No. I said I didn't believe that just as I didn't believe the % of Republicans that I've seen in polls talk about Civil War or justify Jan6 or other extremist views. So yeah, I don't like Trump but don't have everything he does. Musk is...I'm indifferent beyond his role as a CEO. I don't think he's super relevant. If he can ACTUALLY find waste, that's great. I think we need to cut the deficit. I think you and others of your ilk like to just kinda lump anyone who is NOT MAGA in the same group, don't you?

Ok. Well, for the 47th time, I don't think it's "understandable," no matter how you justify his beliefs. Lets go back to your original question here. I BELIEVE Trump is very bad for this Country and I believe he has authoritarian leanings and...actually admires them. So with that belief, what would I be justified in doing? If you start just dismissing the law, ESPECIALLY how the things that Govern our Nation, the things that have made us....the United States, you're going to see this Country fall apart pretty quickly.

LOL...three branches? Pretty sure we sawed one of those off Jimmy.

Because I'm responding to false equivalencies? Or because you don't know if Trump is going to keep doing things like...tanking the Economy and then trying to walk it back?

LOL...yeah. Sure. He legally bought it. Just a BIT weird he buys his old friends plane after he kills himself in the most famous sex trafficking case in US History under the overview of HIS DOJ. Not to mention, people DO understand that the ONLY reason Epstein was not in prison is because ACOSTA stepped in at the last minute, when Epstein was facing a life in prison and he gave him an unprecedented deal. -1 year, home confinement -Blanket immunity for all known AND UNKNOWN co-conspirators. It made Acosta a black sheep. But then Trump tries to nominate him as Labor Secretary? It's almost as if he owed him something, no?

Where? Who is reporting this?

Yeah, there was some VERY shady stuff going on. The day before there's a rumor that Trump paused it for 90 days to gauge the markets reaction. Then he does it. You have the CEO of Schwab in the WH bragging about how much money he made? It's...pretty disgusting. People should also realize the market is STILL not even close to being out of the woods...it's just not headed to an immediate recession.

That's...amazing. This election was lost by every swing state going the other way. Al Gore oversaw HIS election that he ALMOST certainly got more votes in, but legally lost because of ONE state. Did they have an illegal slate of electors? That bolded part says basically it's alright to break the law if you REALLY think something happened(and to be clear, we now know based on testimony from his lawyers, even THAT wasn't the case). -Starting a needless trade war that harms this Country because you've long held the belief that tariffs are a way to make this Country better is bad, but at LEAST it's not in service of nobody but yourself. -Trying to coordinate illegitimate representatives of states who certified the vote for the Democratic nominee in order to try and have your Vice President certify the election for you...is something you'd be hung for in the past in this country. It's treason.

There's...no problem with mail in ballots other than Trump told his voters to not use them and he lost...and then they were a problem. People log on using their ID# and vote in Australia and there's nearly 100% participation and no fraud. But this isn't new. The more voters, the worse it is for the GOP. That's been the case for 60 years. The higher the voter participation...the more likely the Dems are to win. It takes me...at most 20 minutes on the day of to walk in and vote. It takes people 30 minutes away from me 7-8 hours. And now it's illegal to hand them water while they wait in line. Why? Because it's better if fewer people vote. It's not that complicated...

Do you know what happen to Epstien's plane? The imfamous plane everyone talks about, the one we now know Trump flew on numerous times? Yeah, that's the plane Trump bought. Or his campaign. He's owned that for a while. And anyone ever think it was weird how it was Obama or the Clintons that had him killed...while he was in the criminal justice system under the TRUMP administration. Trump wishing Epstein's Pimp "all the best," after claiming he didn't know her. Countless pics of them together. I don't get why people think HE is the one unlikely to be on there. He's yelled out to 12 year old girls, "I'll be dating her in 10 years." He "inspects" Mrs Teen USA because 'when you own it, you can do that.'

No, definitely something positive to be found here. Trump was doing something "catastrophically stupid," to quote Tomas Sowell. He stopped doing that stupid thing. But lets not pretend like it was a smart move because the thing he did was SO bad it caused a historic drop and we regained about MOST of that. Also, Trump was touting how bad the tariffs were going to be before they hit. Now I don't want to relitigate the whole Smoot-Hawley thing, but when you announce massive tariffs and you say all industries are going to get hit, you hit your neighbors, you go after every ally(except Russia?)...it's really not accurate to go from the 2nd to today...but even doing just that, we're still down. And a lot of people really did lose a lot of money. Just hypothetically. I have 5000 shares of NVDA. It's trading around 125 because...it's a great company. And then you hear specifically they're going to put tariffs on every country and they're going to tariff that specific thing that one company makes. I think it's fair to go from the ~145 it was before, after he did this and then thing about the people who aren't in their 30s and able to hold and wait it out because that's their retirement and they're on a fixed income...so now they sell it at...95-100 as Trump is saying, this is going to cause pain, but we'll be better on the other side, but even the Republicans are talking about passing bills saying 'we need to take back the authority to put tariffs on a President.' It's pretty bad for them. My old man came VERY close to doing exactly that(in fact, he did tell me to, but...I ignored him or he wouldn't own any NVDA at all, but still).

Wait...so if the Nasdaq dumps 15 points because of your stupid policy and then regains 10 points, you're up 10 points in your world? It's up 1900 today. It's STILL down ~2900 since Trump came in with his tariff talk and down ~600 points from before this whole mess started.

Oh please. Is this a new Twitter talking point that everyone's repeating? I saw someone quote Jimmy saying this. There were NEVER 70 Countries who didn't already HAVE fair trade. There was one major one...that was a concern to us. To put a finer point on it, there are three main Countries who don't really have fair trade or take advantage of other countries/the rules. 1-'GYNA 2-Brazil 3-....The United States. The first and most obvious example would be these tariffs on a newly agreed upon trade deal that our two partners had agreed to. We're kinda pricks as well...billions of people who thought their economy was going into the toilet because of our actions will attest to this. Brazil really just has high tariffs for cars. There are others who are worse but...not really relevant. North Korea isn't a bastion of free trade(or free anything). But lets operate under this assumption that we just wanted to see. We wanted to see who was with us and who'd side with China. PLEASE tell me what happens if India, Japan, South Korea and Vietnam all would have agreed to overtures from China to stand against the US? The EU is not happy with us. Canada, Mexico...we screwed with ALL of our allies and now we claim victory because...we know who'll negotiate? I'm VERY happy he put an end to this, but there are a LOT of people who have big tax bills due who took out taxes, who are paying penalties for doing so or who sold lower because we still have another 20-25% to go yet if he hadn't stopped. You don't get credit for taking a bus hostage to get at one person, and then releasing that Bus minus that one person. https://www.theglobaleconomy.com/rankings/herit_trade_freedom/

LOL...still, it's just amusing. No matter how many people said it was stupid at the time...and the rights favorite in Sowell call it moronic, they are libs or why should we care. He cleans SOME of the *I poop my pants, don't laugh at me* he stepped in off his shoes and it's "wow, that's brilliant!

The system is VERY much built to catch fraud. They went and audited the votes how many times and there were like 3 illgal votes. A Trumper who voted by mail for his dead Mother in Law, a women in TX who was days within being off probation and told it was legal to vote and then a 3rd Trump voter who tried to vote in multiple states because...Trump literally told them to. The oddities are not worth talking about. Just look at the stupidity with the Spanish Flu. 2 seconds. Over by the election. Not a tightly contested election(26 point win). "People saw stuff," was another argument. And they were heard and it was nonsense. But the part in bold. Basically if he loses, but HE believes he won(we now know he KNEW he did not win, Bill Barr, Sidney Powell among others were crystal clear on that point)....but if he loses and the LAW doesn't work, what else is he supposed to do but cheat?

That's a lie, they have absolutely NO authority to be there. The States Certified the vote, THAT is why they're being prosecuted now... Actually...I realize now how easy this is. It's why jross comes off as a pseudo intellectually but then asks about the voter turnout in an election that was 60-34% and AFTER the Spanish Flu was considered over! It was illegal for Donald Trump and his allies to attempt to create and submit a second slate of electors on January 6, 2021, for several key reasons rooted in U.S. law, particularly the U.S. Constitution and federal statutes governing the election process. Here’s why: 1. No Legal Basis for Alternate Electors The U.S. Constitution and federal laws clearly outline how the Electoral College works, including how electors are selected and certified. The legitimate electors for each state are chosen through the state’s electoral process, based on the popular vote (except in rare circumstances where the state legislature might step in to choose electors, which did not occur in 2020). The problem with the second slate of electors is that it had no legal basis. These alternate electors were chosen without any legal authority or support from state legislatures, and they did not reflect the results of the actual election. The electors Trump’s allies tried to create were intended to falsely claim that Trump had won states where Joe Biden was the legitimate winner. This was a direct attempt to circumvent the lawful process. 2. Electoral Count Act of 1887 The Electoral Count Act of 1887 establishes the procedure for counting and certifying electoral votes. According to this law, electors must be chosen in accordance with the laws of each state, and those electors must then meet and send their votes to Congress. There is no provision in this law for creating alternate slates of electors, especially when those electors do not reflect the results of the election. The idea behind creating a fake set of electors was that if the legitimate electors could be rejected, the alternate slate might be used instead, allowing Trump to have a chance to win. However, the Electoral Count Act does not allow for this kind of manipulation. The law only provides for the rejection of electors under very limited circumstances (such as if they were determined to have been illegally chosen or invalidated), but the alternate slates created by Trump’s allies were not legitimate electors under the law. 3. Violation of the Certification Process The certification of electoral votes is a solemn, constitutionally mandated process. Under the 12th Amendment, once the electors’ votes are cast and sent to Congress, the Vice President (in his role as President of the Senate) opens and counts those votes. Congress may object to specific votes or states, but the process is designed to be a ceremonial one, and only in the case of legitimate issues (such as clear fraud or error in the election process) could votes be excluded. Trump and his allies' efforts to have an alternate slate of electors was an attempt to create a fraudulent challenge to the certification process. The attempt to replace legitimate electors with fraudulent ones was a direct attempt to undermine the proper constitutional process. Such actions are seen as a violation of the law because they subverted the election process and sought to interfere with the lawful certification of the election results. 4. Potential Charges and Legal Implications By trying to create a false set of electors, Trump and his allies were involved in a scheme to defraud the public and the U.S. government. In legal terms, this could amount to conspiracy to defraud the United States under federal statutes. The key issue is that the alternate electors were attempting to falsely present themselves as the legitimate electors, with the goal of subverting the lawful results of the election. Creating fraudulent certificates and attempting to have them submitted to Congress (and potentially used in place of legitimate electors) is a crime under various laws, including those prohibiting the use of false documents or false statements in a federal election. The fraudulent electors did not represent the true will of the voters in those states and were an attempt to illegally alter the outcome of the election. 5. The Role of the Vice President Another key point is that Vice President Mike Pence had no legal authority to reject the legitimate electors and choose the fake ones in their place. The idea behind the alternate slates was that Pence could use them to refuse to certify the legitimate election results on January 6. However, as Pence repeatedly stated, his role was strictly ceremonial, and he did not have the authority to unilaterally change the results of the election. Any attempt to force him to do so would have been a violation of his constitutional duty. Conclusion: In summary, the creation of alternate electors on January 6, 2021, was illegal because it was an attempt to falsely present a different outcome than the one determined by the lawful and legitimate electoral process. The move violated both the U.S. Constitution and the Electoral Count Act of 1887, which governs the process of certifying electoral votes. The scheme was designed to subvert the democratic process and undermine the certification of the election results, which is illegal under U.S. law.

LOL..."a self inflicted nuclear winter, this is not what we voted for." That's what he said about the tariffs. Trump realizes how badly they're failing and it's "oh, wow, that was so smart! Even you Jimmy...no way you're that dumb....

This is genuinely moronic. Trump Tweeted out about "crashes" 20 some times in the last 12 months. And he did it when things happened that were absolutely no fault of the Biden Admin. The Aug 5th Yen Carry trade and things like that. They didn't "stir up a panic," that "never came." He had the worst performance in the SPX ever. We entered crash level in every index and for no good reason. To pretend HE'S owed an apology for NOT continuing to do all the dumb things he was doing, but...it was dumb.