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You're setting precedents and determining who should be allowed to compete. I think kicking Russia out while China engaging in ethnic cleansing with the Uyghurs is more than a "whataboutism," it's called a standard. Is one worse because they're fighting back while the other has no opportunity to do so? Because the US and Nato isn't supplying them tens and tens of billions of dollars for ammunition and all types of weapons. Yes, "whataboutism" is a valid response when you say who should and shouldn't be allowed to participate basaed upon their Nations actions. In fact, seems like ignoring one atrocity in the name of whataboutism is just puts the line in an even more ambiguous place. What have the Dagestani's done to be banned from the Olympic other than kinda being part of Russia?

I have zero problem with Yianni, but a little problem with Parker Keckeisen getting the #1 over Brooks. More like a mild disagreement, but it seemed like a bit silly to seed Brooks 3rd behind two guys he's beaten evertime because of a early season loss to Coleman. But if he's the guy we all think he is, it won't matter.

LOL...I mean, I can see it. It's the first tournament, you don't know Wrestling. Makes sense...I guess. What's funnier is she probably understood Wrestling by that point and still told the story knowing how stupid it seems for someone who's been around the sport. So she was a little self deprecating and that's funny.

LOL...this remind me of this whole act the Brands did. Terry was yelling at the ref doing the pointing and...whining. Tom Grabs him and tries to calm him down, they take a half step, Tom turns around starts pointing and yelling at the refs...Terry grabs him. Now Terry turns back and yells...goes on for like 4-5 times each person. It was the most ridiculous thing I ever saw. I actually missed the start and still saw about 4 times they turned and bitched at the refs. Peak-Brands.

30,000 pounds....of...bananas! Yes, there were thirty thousand pounds of bananas.

Again, then China, North Korea, Iran...and a LOT of other Countries are out. The US(and the rest of NATO) was allowed in when they went into Iraq. I think we can all agree that was unjustified and a whole lot of citizens who had zero say in anything their leader was doing died. There are also the places that throw the gay(or just suspected gay) people off buildings...I don't know if I've mentioned that before. Feels like I should have. Where do you stop? How much oppression or death? And who decides? The people of Russia are already suffering Putin's tyrannical leadership. He's used that Country as his own piggy bank. What Russia is doing is horrible. By all reports, it's ALMOST entirely Putin and the War is widely unpopular. So I don't agree with punishing the athletes. Unless the girls Gymnasts or the Wrestling team can make a difference in stopping Putin, I would still argue they should be allowed to compete as they were in 2020(or '21).

Yes...it resulted in the DFF for the 7th place match. I remember when the B1G was considred tough! (I'm kidding, don't screw around with head injuries). I'm a Gomez fan, but he leaves his feet, drives him into the mat. That's a slam. It's an easy call IMO. I get he was trying to stop him from countering when he hit the match, but he had him under control. I can't see how you argue with that. I think it would have benefited Gomez to keep Wrestling for 9th, but that's another story. Clear slam.

All I know is I was fine with these guys before...and now I just went back and watched the B1G Semis and Tim Johnson was annoying the hell out of me with his talk about Ridge Lovett in the room and how Nebraska guys are all about their team and then he dropped in a fact about the first time Neb has had two undefeated Wrestlers(and then about 2 minutes later and after others had spoken) he said...since 1961...as if he was scrolling through the guide. It reminds me of watching TV with my Grandma and I pointed out a laugh track to her...and it ruined the show for her. If fact I just posted a Nelson Brands video from 2021 and Shane Sparks mentions resilite a few times.

This was peak Nelson Brands. He looked good...almost like Tom or Terry...ish. Never really built on it though. Edit- I realize now this was more of..."wrong answers only" type of thread...

I mean...Lewis defaulted in the ACCs and was a returning champ(from '19). Gomez has lost his last 3 matches now. Got hurt for Thomas, lost in the 1st round to Rooks and then a DQ vs the Maryland kid. I'd put Gomez as a ~10 seed. Kinda hard to see him being a top 8, but I really have no idea. He looked like he was moving better in the Maryland match, but he's unlikely to have a full gas tank and he looked bad in that 1st match of the B1Gs. I think his ceiling went from potential at a historic upset...again, to hopefully being able to make a little run and finish at least somewhere on the podium.

LOL...who is underrating Haines? He was the #2 seed at the B1Gs and will likely be the #2 at the NCAAs. I think people are rating him pretty appropriately. There are some good ones already mentioned, but 197 has a few. I'm a big fan of Trumble. I also think Beard has a shot at a NC. Though with how much 197 seems to be up in the air, I'm not sure any of these guys are underrated. I could see both potentially winning in the Semis or losing on the backside in the Rd of 12 or 16.

Mekhi Lewis got the 4 seed as an at-large. Looked like he was in agony finishing off his quarterfinals match.

Yeah, he got blasted in the nuts pretty good. Or at least in that area. Looked unintentional though, and I haven't seen many of his fights, it's only sketchy to me if there's any intent behind it. To me it just looked like a newcomer under the bright lights...way faster than normal and maybe didn't measure his shots like he'd wanted to. I was hoping to see a little bit of his striking for my own benefit to see what he looks like, but again, for the last reason, guessing he was just looking for the Win. I'm sure we'll see more the next time around.

I missed this. AJ is the oldest of the 3 wrestling brothers, right? I MUST be wrong about that. Because; Now...I don't know if AJ Ferrari Raped a girl or not. My first thought is always, "why would you lie about that, who would lie about that," and then I'm reminded of a couple of times people have lied about that, so I try and withhold judgement...as much as I can. Especially when I know none of the parties or details as is the case here. Still, if the guy who has done all the shit he had BEFORE he's accused of rape is "a handful," but not as much as a handful as another brother, that's terrifying. Also, when I think of "handful," I think of my Nephew. He's a little asshole, but he's also 3, so he gets a pass for it, because...he's a handful(and hilarious and again, 3). THAT is a handful. Battery, sexual assault, doing everything you can to be guilty of vehicular manslaughter and just getting lucky, that ain't a "handful."

Eh...that one I'm actually with you on! Greatest post-season pitcher of his generation, but a little annoying listening to him in October.

I remember watching a pretty notable HS Wrestling Tournament and they'd ask the SAME question to everyone. The guy who did it was pretty young and has gotten much better, but it was literally 14 times of "what does it mean to bring the _____ title back to Parkland, Illinois," or "St. Edwards." Wrestler, "Oh, it means a lot, we have a lot of support from our families and our coaches and...yeah, it means a lot." You're right, you're not getting much there. They also do the, "when you were down 4-3 in the 3rd, what was your thought process." And generally...I assume it's, "I gotta score or I will lose." But again, it's the, 'just keep grinding away, I knew I had to keep attacking...he's tough to get in on and I just kept grinding and I'm just glad I was able to get in on a leg and finish that TD!'

LOL...lets just go with, "Both really-really good!'

Fair enough. I think I'm a bit less discerning when it comes to broadcast duo's. They generally seem to be disliked and I find myself having an unpopular opinion quite a bit(NFL, I don't mind Buck and Aikman for example). I think Gibbons is great. I think Shane Sparks has done a lot for the sport and he worked hard to get more access to the Wrestlers...a bit of a pioneer in that regard IMO. Seems like it used to be...what, Gibbons and then they'd have Gable in there who was more of a fan than an announcer. I also like Daniel Cormier when he does the NCAAs or Robles. When you're watching a good match, it kinda becomes background noise...as with Tim Johnson. I know he tells some stories and people may find him a bit grating. I'm indifferent.

Yes...of course, as I said, it was hyperbole, but it speaks to the nature of international Wrestling at that point with the questionable calls overturned. I remember hearing a story(years later and passed along through several people) after Slay won about team USA coaches made sure to follow the officials around as one of the Kolat appeals had been appealed without a USA representative there...and resulted in him getting screwed.

I assume he's talking about Randy Lewis.

I mean...I also qualified it with "maybe the best." This isn't my hill! LOL...just again pointing out how Storley when he was coming out was viewed as a special, unique type of recruit. In fact, I think he may have been the same year as the famous Chris Phillips and that Monroeville team in Ohio with 4-4X State Champs, Phillips, Logan and Hunter Stieber and Cam Tessari. Phillips was a 4X Champ...I think all at 171 in Ohio...which in and of itself should say plenty, but he also just dominated the Ironman a couple times, won National Tourney's and was a freak talent in his own right. None of this really has to do with the thread, but I find it all interesting. And Storley was a 6X Champ in SD with a record of like 230-2. Maybe I mythologized Storley a bit in my head, but I was just a huge fan of his coming out. He was a beast and he was a kid you wanted to root for. You check out this match vs a Fargo AA and how Storley handled it and it was tough to not be a fan. Again...almost totally unrelated to the thread. Just a way of remembering one helluva wrestler who didn't accomplish his ultimate goal.

I was thinking about 2014 I guess when Howe was at Oklahoma and you had Perry, Howe, Storley, Kokesh, Brown, Evans, Wilps in the top 7. Hayden Zilmer was in that bracket, as was Mike Ottinger who was a tank. Sorley and Kokesh had some incredible matches. The year Brown won it, Kokesh looked like he was the odds on favorite(2015). Beat Brown in the B1G finals, but even that match, they were back and forth. IIRC, Kokesh wrestled a lot of close matches, that year he kinda opened it up and it looked like he'd break through. 3,3,4,3. I don't know there there are any factual errors I can point out. I kinda just remember it as a few year run in which there were a few just maulers in the B1G at 174, but I needed to go back and look at the brackets to remember exactly which year who did what(I thought Brown went 5,2,1 instead of 2,5,1 for instance. But watching Wilps and Brown...there were a lot of things I didn't remember or mis-remembered...starting with the fact that I thought Wilps was a long kinda lanky wrestler, but he was just a big SOB. Long, but not someone I'd describe as lanky. He looks like a '97 pounder! I guess Brown's days of moving around from '65 to '97 paid off. And then the final 10 seconds. Wilps with the TD that looks like it's gonna seal it...a stalling point that...seemed a bit quick to me and the baited locked hands as you pointed out. And Brown definitely baits him, but that just had to be a mental slip by Wilps, because he seems hold onto it forever(insomuch as a 3 second go can be forever). Glad I re-watched that and the B1G final. Kokesh was probably the best Wrestler that year at that weight, maybe followed by Wilps, but that's what makes the D1s the best sporting event in the world to me. If you tell me in 2 weeks that Mekhi Lewis, Hidlay, Hamiti, even Glory or Vito are National Champs, I wouldn't be shocked(I'd be shocked if they all wrere). Man, that's 9 years old and it was more than worth it to go back and watch the B1G finals and then this match;

HS...best High School Wrestler.

I'm just going HS. If you include post-HS, it's not even a competition. He's got at least a couple Olympians in front of him in Lewis and Mcllravy.

Brown had as tough a time cracking the PSU lineup as he did winning a title! I remember he was a '65 pounder...maybe it was '74, but he went up and beat a pretty good '97 pounder from Michigan. He also had a pretty competitive wrestle off with Ruth I believe. Pretty damn good career though. 2, 5, 1 in 3 years. That was when there were like 5 or 6 just physical, tough '74 pounders in the B1G who didn't exactly light up the scoreboards, but they beat the hell outta you and were tough to score on. Storley, maybe the best Wrestler in SD HS history. Kokesh, Evans, Howe...probably forgetting a couple guys.