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I don't know how it plays out, but as time goes on its becoming obvious that the marriage of athletics and academics makes no sense past high school....

Well actually she did. How many millions of people did she let across the border as border czar? Who do you think paid for taking care of all those people ... you did. And you get to keep paying.

Yeah, I totally hear that. I just think sponsors think differently than fans on here and would rather put an athlete with the perfect hs record (or whatever) next to their brand than the guy spending time in development at the next level. You see it in other sports too, even in like basketball where kids commonly reclassify to college (and then the league) sooner to get their bag. They spend their time walking through their hs season instead of spending their senior year competing at the next level because it keeps the hype machine going, which now keeps the NIL machine going too, and because it mitigates risk of getting injured or exposed if they're not yet ready for prime time (which is a ridiculous expectation, but it happens). I'm cool with whatever PJD or any of the other upcoming superstars decide to do. Just saying that the calculus has probably changed about the decision to compete in high school vs. spend that time training at the RTC/OTC.

Speaking of pups…

Only if he doesn't RS this season (of which, so far, he IS.) D3

This topic comes from emotion rather than data supported facts. Data shows that mainstream media is biased. 9 of the top 10 mainstream media companies lean left. Even the left opinions that mainstream media is left biased. I have shared this data directly. People did not lose trust in the mainstream media because it goes against their beliefs. Rather, people lost trust in the mainstream media because it was making statements that the consumers knew to be wrong. And now people are increasingly looking for media of any form that provides a verifiable truth. This is hard to newly comprehend, but also, it is true.

Brignola looks awesome this year.. podium contender?

i think some wires are crossed in this thread. there are two types of payment being discussed: A) money + compensation to athletes from the school B) NIL there are two different things. especially for part B no one 'deserves' anything. they are independent endorsement deals.

How soft a man must be to be afraid of an ex woman's soccer player...

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/42286584/vanderbilt-qb-diego-pavia-suing-ncaa-eligibility-rules Once the courts decided that college athletes were essentially professional athletes and could get paid, it was obvious that the next thing to be challenged would be the eligibility rules. The Vanderbilt QB, who has no NFL potential, is suing to get back eligibility for the years he spent at community college. Does anybody think it's likely that the courts eventually get rid of the 4 year competition limit and possibly even allow professional athletes to reenter NCAA competition? Will we look back at NCAA athletes who only competed for four years similarly to how we see athletes from the time of Dan Gable and Hodge who only competed for 3? Maybe Max Dean was ahead of his time.

All times Eastern, with local times in parenthesis. *-indicates event is believed to be eligible for a one-pound weight allowance Thursday, November 14: *Belmont Abbey at Davidson, 6:00 PM Bloomsburg at Lock Haven, 7:00 PM Chattanooga at Ohio State, 7:00 PM West Virginia at Rider, 7:00 PM *St. Andrews at Davidson, 7:30 PM Friday, November 15: Nebraska at Campbell, 4:30 PM Iowa at Bellarmine, 7:00 PM Indiana at Central Michigan, 7:00 PM Columbia at Cleveland State, 7:00 PM Northern Colorado at Drexel, 7:00 PM George Mason at Edinboro, 7:00 PM Morgan State at Lehigh, 7:00 PM Appalachian State at NC State, 7:00 PM Missouri at Virginia Tech, 7:00 PM Nebraska at North Carolina, 7:30 PM Navy at Iowa State, 8:00 PM (7:00 PM) Bucknell at Minnesota, 8:00 PM (7:00 PM) Augustana (SD) at South Dakota State, 8:00 PM (7:00 PM) Oklahoma State at Utah Valley, 9:00 PM (7:00 PM) Saturday, November 16: Mercyhurst at Findlay Open, hosted by Findlay, 9:00 AM *Franklin & Marshall at Shorty Hitchcock Classic, hosted by Millersville, 9:00 AM Northern Iowa at Grand View Open, Des Moines, IA, 10:00 AM (9:00 AM) Duke at Hofstra, 11:30 AM Sacred Heart vs. The Citadel at Hofstra, 11:30 AM *Northern Colorado at Penn, 12:00 PM Duke vs. Sacred Heart at Hofstra, 1:30 PM The Citadel at Hofstra, 1:30 PM Stanford at Cal Poly, 2:30 PM (11:30 AM) Sacred Heart at Hofstra, 3:30 PM American vs. Maryland at Potomac, MD, 6:00 PM Eureka at SIU Edwardsville, 7:00 PM (6:00 PM) Northern Illinois at Northwestern, 8:00 PM (7:00 PM) Sunday, November 17: Purdue at Buffalo, 10:00 AM Arizona State, Minnesota, North Dakota State, Oklahoma, South Dakota State at Daktronics Invitational, hosted by South Dakota State, 11:00 AM (10:00 AM) Army West Point vs. Purdue at Buffalo, 12:00 PM Morgan State at Marymount, 12:00 PM VMI vs. Averett at Marymount, 12:00 PM Kent State at Bellarmine, 1:00 PM Ohio State at Edinboro, 1:00 PM Michigan State at Ohio, 1:00 PM Drexel at Penn State, 1:00 PM Morgan State vs. Averett at Marymount, 1:45 PM VMI at Marymount, 1:45 PM Army West Point at Buffalo, 2:00 PM George Mason at Clarion, 2:00 PM Davidson at Presbyterian, 2:00 PM LIU vs. Rutgers at Toms River, NJ, 2:00 PM NC State vs. Princeton at Toms River, NJ, 2:00 PM Morgan State vs. VMI at Marymount, 3:30 PM LIU vs. Princeton at Toms River, NJ, 4:00 PM NC State vs. Rutgers at Toms River, NJ, 4:00 PM Columbia at Michigan, 5:00 PM Oklahoma State at Oregon State, 5:00 PM (2:00 PM)

Would you pay to see this friendly exhibition match? Let's say it's folkstyle, main event at the top of a card of friendlies. It might be an entertaining fundraiser and good exposure for the sport. Proceeds could go to, idk, a pool that assists D1 programs at risk of getting cut. I can't even guess if it would be a competitive match. Cael's getting up there in years, but he's also Cael.

The new Wrestlestat rankings are out this morning (I believe Intermat updates tomorrow). Take a bow Freshmen. They have entered the building. Below are the highest ranked freshmen who were unranked in the pre-season rankings. Virginia Tech leads the way with three freshmen on the list (and both are in the top 14). Followed by NC State with two top 19 entrants.

Yeah I know last year Pitzer from Pitt would have gotten surgery and taken a MRS but it was too late in the season to qualify to he wrestled and delayed the surgery till after Nationals.

Iowa vs Bellarmine will be on ESPN+, if you are in the area, Dan Gable will be hosting a social that will benefit the Knights RTC

Taylor would destroy him in 2024, Cael wins the time machine p4p folkstyle match, taylor wins the p4p time machine freestyle match, but I'd add that I think Cael was mentally done after college....

yeah... also that the coaching staff went to Starocci with what they wanted, and he told them to drop dead and they walked off with their hats in their hands.

This just in. Over the weekend Aaron Brooks was forced to appear at halftime of the PSU football game to turn over his 197 pound title to a guy they found in the stands who weighed 197 AND was taller than Brooks. When asked about the seemingly arbitrary way to determine a national champ, Brooks said, "Some SOB on Intermat realized I was too short for 197, so they are making me do this. He better pray to Allah I do not find out who he is." Sixty seven year old Baron Rooks, seen clapping to Brooks' right, was not surprised. "I knew I could take Brooks on the measuring tape and equal him on the scale. This is the right thing. It is just a shame it took so long," Rooks said. Rooks, a manager at a mall-based fast food chain in Omaha, Nebraska is planning to display his well deserved trophy next to the cash register.

Another thing that makes you go hmmm is taking Minnow's word for it. But Sanderson is always forthright with the media...sorry had to wipe some tears while typing.

If only we knew someone who knows about wrestling and Penn State.

You should probably stop projecting, learn to spell properly and get a new source of information that isn't a social media app that teenagers use to troll each other.

NIL has never been designed to be equal. No serious person is talking about equal NIL. Nor would it even be possible to make payments equal because there is not a single payor who could control it. Stop conflating NIL payments with the potential payments made directly by schools to athletes as part of the House settlement.

Fair enough brother, I can't claim to have inside intel on how the NIL decisions are made. In general though, I do like the idea of even the elite kids finishing out their high school years. Even if it delays their wrestling development, the delay is very slight, and is offset IMO by the benefit of getting to live a normal life of a normal high school kid. I worry that that leaving high school early to focus on wrestling may cause premature burnout if your life is all wrestling, all the time.

No one denied a POTUS appointment and who had power in control?

Tom Ryan, Ray Brinzer, Jay Borschel

Fair. Totally fair. Poor choice of words on my part.

They can install her as POTUS she can then nominate herself to be SCOTUS - democracy baby!

Could they install her as both SCOTUS and POTUS in the dark of night? Spare us one speech?

I will give you three reasons. 12-6 23-7 17-9

I thought Robinson 25 and Camacho 33 would be the route NCSU would take. I am not sure moving weights during the season is a great idea, but it is early now.

The ILLINI ended up with 5 hammers, but one was for Caelan Riley in Pool D. I think he's at a minimum a Pool C wrestler, more likely, Pool B. Smart move by the coach to give him some confidence. I don't know how long Ramazan Attasauov will be out of the lineup, although he did make the trip. Lucas Byrd, Danny Pucino, Kannon Webster and Braeden Scoles went undefeated and won Pool A hammers, and they are all still undefeated on the season. That's gonna be a Murderer's Row. Zac Braunagel had a one-point loss in the finals to Michael Beard. That score was reversed when they met two years ago in the NCAA tournament. All in all, superb weekend for ILLINOIS. Here's a meme chart for Coach Poeta after the ASU dual:

Your point was not all over the place.

Good showing by the Minnesota Gophers, with 5 champs at the Mountaineer Open...133 Tyler Wells, 141 Vance Vombaur, 157 Tommy Askey, 184 Max McEnelly, 197 Isaiah Salazar. 125 Cooper Flynn, 165 Andrew Sparks, 174 Clayton Whiting, and 197 Gabe Nagel took 2nd place. 3rd placers were 125 Brandon Morvari, 174 Ethan Riddle, Hwt Bennett Tabor.

you used to be sort of good at this

Certainly the marriage of academics and professional sport makes no sense.

I'm just so upset. Poor Joe hits a political walk-off post midnight grand slam in several states simultaneously while putting together the best campaign and inspirational message ever - besting FDR, HST, JFK, LBJ, Jimmy, WJC, and BHO in voter turnout. Then, in his very next at-bat they pull him out of the batter's box because he missed a curve ball. He still had 3 months to get it together. To get the band back together. He had his mojo rising (I know, the actual lyrics are Mr. Mojo Risin'). Yet, they sent a minor league sub-Mendoza line hitter to finish his at-bat for him. Kam-Mendoza struck out, unsurprisingly. She never had gotten an electoral hit outside of woke-california - the equivalent to T-Ball - in her life. Poor poor, Joe. Poor us. I feel so bad for him and for us. I will settle down but have a heart and give me some time.

Hey Uncle B good to see you posting. Some good and honest questions. Don't forget AI. It's on the path to take us all over in the near future. Always surprised people aren't more up in arms about the real threat to all humans. Also, thought I'd get my props from you for accurately telling you exactly how the election would go

Also, Don't forget that everyone is a Nazi. Puppies too

Let's do some math. I hear certain contributors to this forum have an affinity for it: T = 2,384,312 votes, B = 2,280,607 votes. Total votes = 4,664,917 2% of the vote is remaining to be counted = 95,202 votes to be counted. T is winning by 103,705 T lost Georgia by 11,799 Therefore, Biden got 115,504 more votes than Trump did out of the last 95,202 votes that arrived. JROSS - how can you not have trust in that?

How can the man who got 81 MILLION VOTES!!!!!! not run again? That is INSANE. Joe B is the most inspirational awesome and efficient vote getter EVERRRRR and the MAGIC DEM!!! To deny that he could do it again is akin to being an election denier. It is BASELESS and there is NO EVIDENCE that he could not get 81 million votes again. Sheesh.

I'll bet you none of what you posted will ever will be true...name the price

We need more last name colleges like Davidson and Campbell to have guys in the rankings.

With a little time to kill before the preseason starts, JOMBO™ visits the College Football Hall of Fame.

A new strip next week. Until then, more of that sweet, sweet classic JOMBO™ that everybody loves. This is one of my favorites:

End of an era. We are lucky with what Art Martori invested into the sport, especially before the RTC model took shape and it seemed like all the top guys were relying on Sunkist. Not to mention saving the ASU program. A true friend of the sport and USA wrestling.