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Just looking at some stats from the team scores that I found interesting. 2024 Penn State vs. 1997 Iowa For those wondering about the 3 pt. takedown and 4 point near fall and how that affected bonus points. Penn State gained 11 extra team points via bonus that they would not have received had it not been for a combination of the above scoring changes since 1997 although you could argue some of their tech falls might have still come as some came like 5 minutes into the match. They had 8 total tech falls so that accounts for 4 of those points (tech falls going to major decisions = -0.5 team points) Team Over-performers and under-performers - looking at how teams were projected to score based strictly on seeds (advancement and placement points) and how many placement and advancement points they actually scored (no bonus) Over-Performers 1. Ohio State (+16.5) 2. Michigan (+16) 3. Stanford (+15) 4. Little Rock (+10) 4. Lock Haven (+10) 6. Virginia Tech (+9) 7. Oklahoma (+8.5) 8. Penn State (+7) 9. Navy (6.5) 9. Arizona State (6.5) Over-Performers / Number of Qualifers 1. Lock Haven (3.33) 2. Stanford (3.00) 3. Little Rock (2.00) 4. Ohio State (1.83) 5. Michigan (1.78) 6. Oklahoma (1.70) 7. Navy (1.30) 8. VMI (1.00) 8. West Virginia (1.00) 10. Virginia Tech (0.90) Under-Performers 1. NC State (-46.5) 2. Lehigh (-27) 3. Purdue (-12) 4. Northern Iowa (-10) 5. Harvard (-8.5) 6. Binghamton (-8) 7. Illinois (-7.5) 8. Oklahoma State (-6.5) 9. Cal Poly (-5.5) 10. Air Force (-5) Under-Performers / Qualifiers 1. NC State (-4.65) 2. Lehigh (3.38) 3. Harvard (-2.83) 4. Illinois (-2.50) 5. Purdue (-2.40) 6. Binghamton (-2.00) 7. Air Force (-1.67) 8. Northern Iowa (-1.43) 9. Cal Poly (-1.00) 9. Brown (-1.00) 9. The Citadel (-1.00) Bonus Points - Which teams scored the most? Total Bonus Points 1. Penn State - 34 2. Cornell - 19.5 3. Iowa State - 17 4. Iowa - 15 5. NC State - 13.5 6. Northern Iowa - 12 6. Nebraska - 12 6. West Virginia - 12 9. Missouri - 10. 5 10. South Dakota State, Michigan, Ohio State - 9.5 Bonus Points per qualifier 1. Penn State - 3.40 2. North Dakota State - 2.50 3. West Virginia - 2.40 4. Cornell - 2.17 5. Air Force - 2.00 6. Iowa State - 1.89 7. Northern Iowa - 1.71 8. Iowa - 1.67 8. Ohio - 1.67 10. Wisconsin - 1.60 Conference Stats - I wanted to look at this as a whole since there was a lot of debate about how conference place changed seeding Overperformance or Under-performance - Actual points vs. projected points just looking at placement and advancement (no bonus) Total Performance 1. Pac 12 (+27) 2. Big Ten (+26) 3. MAC (+16.5) 4. SoCon (+2.5) 5. Big 12 (-4) 6. EIWA (-31.5) 7. ACC (-36.5) Total Performance / Number of qualifiers 1. Pac 12 (+0.90) 2. MAC (+0.66) 3. Big Ten (+0.27) 4. SoCon (+0.15) 5. Big 12 (-0.06) 6. EIWA (-0.52) 7. ACC (-1.01) Conference Bonus Points 1. Big Ten (106.5) 2. Big 12 (81.5) 3. EIWA (41) 4. ACC (34.5) 5. Pac 12 (23) 6. MAC (12.5) 7. SoCon (4) Conference Bonus Points per qualifier 1. Big 12 (1.25) 2. Big Ten (1.11) 3. ACC (0.96) 4. Pac 12 (0.77) 5. EIWA (0.67) 6. MAC (0.50) 7. SoCon (0.24)

He was at PAC 12 tournament. Out of the wheel chair, & a brace on his back, rooting on his teammates.

The transfer portal is fine. It’s the transfer portal existing in concert with NIL that causes issues.

The Rich get richer. And if there is an AA quality guy at a lower tier school the rich will throw him money to leave. Those lower tier schools will fade a way quicker now. Not good

They can get you a very, very, very, very distant third place trophy. Jesus never entered no transfer portal.

There were 69 Previous Placewinners in this year’s field 26 of them DNP (37% of returning placers DNP) Including 3x All-American Brock Mauller 52 returning placers from 2023 15 of them DNP (28% of returning placers from last year alone) Including returning finalist Matt Ramos.

I will reiterate what I think the main point is, as a couple people have mentioned. He may have hit the ceiling no matter who was coaching. He may not be the athlete that can take it to the next level. He was at an extremely high level coming in. If you look at his body type compared to the body types of many of the athletes who are doing more, he is short and stocky with short limbs. Even look at his coach, JS has long limber limbs. Today's wrestlers are much different than they used to be. They're much more flexible and many of them have long lanky arms and legs. Fix may not be suitable to move consistently into the top 1%.

Whoa, my heart screams in pain. IMAR only came within ten seconds of beating Jordan Burroughs in a best two-of-three series when Burroughs was un-Dakeable and completely non-Taylorable. Moreover, a good underhook series was enough for Yazdani to win Olympic and World Championship Gold.

Seriously, down 2-3 with 30 seconds left in the match, Kelly sticking Penrith with a spladle in the 1987 championship match was the ultimate.

Screw Bormet and Michigan. I will openly root against them at any event.

This is why there needs to be a cap on NIL. Athletes can get paid, but schools would have to determine the value of their athletes. The current NIL system is going to reward the programs that have the richest alumns and fan base, that in some cases, were built through their success cheating and not getting caught, or getting caught and a NCAA wrist slap. At least now, NIL (Now Its Legal), can allow everyone to buy players and not worry about the consequences. (As long as they can control their alumnus!) In the big money sports (FB/BB) there will always be shady deals/transactions taking place.) It's always about the Benjamins! For years I told my friends, "I wish Missouri was better with cheating!"

So they aren't really going to college to go to college?

Speaking for many of the other program fans, we wish you all unhappiness.

Figs was a pre-season top 4 ranked wrestler in every major outlet. Figs dealt with injuries, out of shape, etc. Figs got healthy and hot at the right time. He was masterful at getting a takedown, then backing up the rest of the way even if it was in the second round, then using his opponents pushing on him to try to get another stall to score again with his outside single. He had never wrestled the guys he wrestled at the NCAA...that can be an advantage as some of those guys had wrestled each other multiple times. As a side note on Renteria..... The match with Figs was not just that Figs wrestled bad...but Renteria looked very good and went on the offensive from the get go....say what you will about his record last year, but Figs' loss to him won't look as bad next season. He has improved a ton this year.

Thomas Sowell wrote a book called Black Rednecks and White Liberals. In the book there is a quote that I find fitting for certain individuals that preach their agenda around here. “When people are presented with the alternatives of hating themselves for their failures or hating others for their success, they seldom choose to hate themselves” Best of luck with that.

Extend Bono. I love his impact

Fix came into college a nearly finished product. Did he get too conservative over time? Definitely. Did he wrestle this entire tournament to not lose rather than to win? Yes. I don't think that means John Smith forgot how to coach. These guys shouldn't be in college for 7+ years.

It was only a matter of time before you showed your true racist agenda!! Bigot!!

I don't want to hear any more of this talk about Ben going to Wisconsin. Smith is going to eventually retire at Miz and my ultimate dream is an Akren as head coach and KO on staff. Please...please...please!

I don’t believe that is his proper pronoun. Thomas Sowell: […] Self preservation is said to be the first law of nature, and this applies not only to human beings but also to organizations and movements. The March of Dimes was set up to fight polio but it did not disband when polio was wiped out by vaccines. Nor did civil rights organizations disband after civil rights laws were passed. The fatal mistake made by those who imagine that they can appease movements and organizations with concessions is that concessions are incidental trophies for those who receive them, but unmet grievances are fundamental to their continued viability. Back in the 1930s, British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain thought that he could buy off Hitler with concessions to avoid war. More recently, both Israel and the Clinton administration discovered that offering even the most extraordinary concessions could not buy off Yasser Arafat. For either Hitler or Arafat to have made a lasting peace would have been to say that his grievances had now been met — and that would have been a devastating blow to the movement which provided his power. Against this background, it may be easier to understand why a demand can be made and a crusade launched to get something that everyone knows in advance will not be given — reparations for slavery. No way are millions of white, Asian, and Hispanic Americans going to pay reparations for something that happened before their ancestors ever set foot on American Soil. Even those whites whose ancestors were here before the Civil War know that most of those ancestors — whether they lived in the North or the South — owned no slaves. Seen in this light, the demand for reparations may seem like an exercise in futility. However, seen as a source of a lasting unmet grievance, it is a stroke of genius to keep blacks separated from other Americans and an aggrieved constituency to support black “leaders” in politics, organizations and movements. This demand also mobilizes a certain amount of support or sympathy among whites, especially those in the media and in academia, where such support or sympathy costs nothing, and allows those who give it to relieve their own sense of guilt, while risking other people’s money — and national cohesion. Some white politicians can also benefit at little or no cost to themselves by expressing sympathy with the reparations cause or even voting for meaningless apologies for what others did centuries ago. For these various groups, reparations is a win-win issue. For everyone else, including the vast majority of blacks, it is a lose-lose issue. Blacks have already begun suffering losses from con men who have asked them to sign up for their individual shares of the reparations — and have then stolen their identity and used it to defraud them. But this is just a down payment on the losses from this futile crusade. In a democracy, a minority that is no longer even the largest minority cannot afford to alienate, much less embitter, the majority which ultimately holds the political power in the country. Too often, unending demands and grievances from black leaders and spokesmen create the impression that most blacks want something for nothing. In reality, most blacks lifted themselves out of poverty before the civil rights laws or the welfare state programs took effect. Not only do most whites not know this, neither do most blacks today, for their leaders have taken credit for this progress by depicting it as the fruits of their civil rights movements and political efforts. But the poverty rate among blacks fell by half between 1940 and 1960, before any of the major federal civil rights legislation or the vast expansion of the welfare state under President Lyndon Johnson’s Great Society programs. Between 1940 and 1960, black males’ number of years of schooling doubled. How surprising is it that doubling your education raises your income? In short, most blacks raised themselves out of poverty, but their leaders robbed them of this achievement and the respect it deserved — in the eyes of blacks and whites alike — by making it seem like a concession from the government and a product of agitation. Pointing blacks in a direction from which little can be expected, and away from the enormous opportunities open today in the economy, is a formula for personal frustration, even if it benefits “leaders.” But then, that frustration is itself a benefit to “leaders,” who need a constituency with a sense of grievance.

It sounds like Michigan is going after a VT wrestler or two according to the hokie forum. I guess if true, this is the new model of team building going forward. It is a shame Michigan and others, focus more on spending $ recruiting proven wrestlers vs developing their own recruits.

I assume the thinking is: College wrestling runs on donations Getting AA’s helps with getting donations So in theory, less AA’s = less donations = potential to get cut

Is it true Hamiti was seen leaving KC driving a Brinks truck?

What is the point of this topic? More to inform and partly to vent. Mark Robinson gets it. On a sensitive topic, Mark emphasizes that individuals owe a debt to those who fought for freedom and equality, including ancestors who endured slavery and discrimination. He urges listeners to take responsibility for their own lives, emphasizing the importance of education, hard work, and family responsibility. Mark argues that individuals should honor the sacrifices of past generations by actively contributing to society and taking control of their own destiny.

If Virginia Tech (a real sold Program) isn’t safe then who is ? The Portal / NIL will accelerate the cutting of small/medium Programs.

Johnson party affiliation doesn't matter. Clinton - D Trump - R Majorkas - D Yes very predictable. I just wondered where you draw the line. It is apparently at the political divide of R and D. You could tell me I'm wrong but I'm guessing you don't think Fani should be booted from the prosecution in GA and you think Letitia James' conduct laughing at Trump via social media after the Engoran decision is totally acceptable. On the other hand, investigation into Hunter is wrong and is a farce. And any of the things found that point to Joe are equally farcical. I would expect as a lawyer you would find their conduct disgraceful and unprofessional. I really hope that's the way you feel but because it involves Trump, I have my reservations. I would love to be proved wrong. The charges on Hunter are real and he admits to most all of them in his book. All has been quiet after Bobulinski testified last week (without HB who wanted his public hearing but did not show up) because why? He said things that are not helpful to the Biden cause. So no real mainstream media coverage of that. What he said was blistering and he had the receipts to prove what he said. But still I'm sure you think it is a farce because of who Hunter is, and not what he has, of his own accord, admittedly done. mspart

NIL and Portal will be the down fall of smaller programs. They recruit and give them scholarships , train, develop the wrestlers and then get poached by bigger programs. This will lead to the end of smaller programs which will lead to less scholarship options for recruits that the big schools did not recruit or recognize their talent. This will eventually lead to HS numbers declining. look at how many SEC and ACC have wrestling programs.

So my thoughts are that the portal can be good for a guy who is very good but can't crack the line up at his current school. It allows them more years to compete and potentially place at the NCAA tournament. Just as a PSU fan to see guys like Teske, Negron, Neville, Beard get their chance and get more than one year makes me happy. However, if you are a starter and haven't lost your head coach I have very mixed feelings about these guys moving on. It is bad for the smaller schools and those with less booster NIL money. Problem is I have no idea how to stop it. The NIL is really out of control and the NCAA has almost no way to put that genie back on the bottle.

Hamiti was lighting guys up as a true freshman and walked into the postseason with a 91% bonus rate and just one loss

He lost to a guy from Embry Riddle, which is NAIA.

IMO, nothing about the Transfer Portal is good for the long term health of D1 Wrestling. You asked.

Well, if he does come back, have somebody tell him that the championship bout for 157 has started. He may not have gotten the message yet.

Knowing the venue, Power and Light District, and the vision that KC has to be a host destination for events, I was expecting to hear great reviews, but it's still tickles me to read these comments. Thank's for coming, and Ya'll come back now!

@BIGTENFANBOY, @Hwt1 I am not expecting to change anyone's mind here , but this is what it looks like from 2007 to 2024. And from a distribution perspective (logarithmic scale):

He was close to doing the unthinkable, but training to beat one guy tends to be different than training to beat the world (see. Marstellar). I maintain, IMAR was a PHENOMENAL wrestler! Your name says it all, so I won't try to win a debate but..... no buts. Side note: Iranians learn an underhook series designed for freestyle success, like American's learn unnecessary motion. So Yaz = underhook basically applies to any Iranian who wins. But I get where you're going, sometimes being great at 1 thing is enough. Burroughs heck Cael, John Smith. They didn't have a lot but they had something unstoppable

2026 is the Buckeye's best bet. Kilkeary is going to challenge McCrone. Davino or Bouzakis need to go 141 so the other can be at 133. And Mendez needs to go 149. They need to get all of these guys in the lineup at once. As far as the 2025 recruiting class goes, landing Marcus Blaze would be great but it creates a logjam at the lower weights. I say you do it anyways. And Vince Bouzakis would fit in to the holes of the lineup as well(btwn him and Birden at 157, 165). They're gonna need true freshmen to produce. Maybe Tom Ryan redshirts Mendez, Rogotzke, Welsh and has them all for a 2027 run, but recruits will be important. A lot of talent in the 2026 recruiting class

OSU 125- Spratley 133- Fix 141- Smith 149- Williams 157- Gomez 165- Hamiti 174- Starocci 184- Plott 197- Brooks HWT- Carroll

Yeah, Bono needs to stay put. He's doing a great job sending AWA guys down to Mizzou. I say keep up the good work.

Contrary to what some here may think, I absolutely know what the heck Im talking about.

There them go again. Them is ignorant and them insists on remaining ignorant. And wrong.

Typically, a student in good standing can leave one of the US military academies within the first two years with no financial penalty.

Brock Hardy is the Man! Kudos to this young man showing the world how to embrace a moment most would never want to rehash.

Jimmy keeps transferring back and forth between Iowa and Penn St.

Lots of talk about the Little Rock guys. While the athletic department itself may not have deep pockets, that is not who cuts the check for NIL deals. Their program essentially started because one incredibly rich Arkansas businessman wanted them to have a team. I bet they’re going to find a way to keep those guys.

Voter suppression is another scam created by dems

"What does it look like between now and the trials?" "A lot of running." Haha...good line Fix.

What about Amos as well? There were rumblings last year. He apparently didn't appreciate the Burwikk situation.

I don't understand hating wrestlers. The amount of time and work these guys have to put in to wrestle at that level is insane. I don't dislike a single NCAA wrestler.* Daton Fix seems like a good dude. It kind of got me when he said wrestlers are people too and talked about all the hate he gets which I think gets to him because he understandably doesn't get why people just hate him for no good reason. People can hate the style a wrestler has or something but these are actual people here and if the worst thing you know about them is that they wrestle a boring style and you hate them because of that I think you need to grow up. * You would have to do something outrageous for me to dislike you as a wrestler. Maybe you commit crimes or you flip off the whole crowd like a maniac or something. You know, the extreme examples.