82bordeaux Posted January 17, 2023 Posted January 17, 2023 11 hours ago, Pinnacle said: Who are the 4 or 5 best wrestlers Lee has beaten in college? Suriano, NaTo, Seabass, ....... who else. He beat Suriano, was 1-1 against NaTo, and 0-2 against Seabass.
JBluegill133 Posted January 17, 2023 Posted January 17, 2023 14 hours ago, headshuck said: Lee when he wins a title at 133, 141 and 149 and takes out a returning champ to close it out. I don't know why, but this just illustrates/emphasizes just how insane Kyles run was...Lee doing this and then ending with a NCAA championship over Yianni? Could you imagine? "Look good, feel good, wrestle good." - J Jaggers
Barracuda141 Posted January 17, 2023 Posted January 17, 2023 4 hours ago, 82bordeaux said: He beat Suriano, was 1-1 against NaTo, and 0-2 against Seabass. He also lost to Bresser and was pinned against Picc.
Jamie_Taco Posted January 17, 2023 Posted January 17, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, 82bordeaux said: He beat Suriano, was 1-1 against NaTo, and 0-2 against Seabass. Spencer wasn't 0-2 vs Seabass, he was 2-2. 02/04/18 - W DEC 7-4 03/03/18 W MD 12 - 0 12/29/18 L DEC 7-3 03/09/19 L SV-1 6-4 He was also 2-1 vs NaTo 01/21/18 W DEC 3-2 03/03/18 L DEC 2 - 1 03/15/18 W FALL 6:05 Edited January 17, 2023 by Jamie_Taco 4
Jim L Posted January 17, 2023 Posted January 17, 2023 10 hours ago, dragit said: ... As I've argued in lots of these threads, I've got Dake as my best ever because no redshirt (won a title nine months after being a high school student), beat three different champs and a terrific wrestler (2x finalist, probably should have been 3x but for refs) in his finals, well in control of all his NCAA matches, went up a weight and went 3-0 against the defending and future Hodge winner, etc. Though I've never understood why the usual first argument people make is the 4 weight classes in 4 years. It's a nice nugget, but it's more trivia than substance; he won four championships against people who weighed the same, it's not like he made weight at 141 the day he beat Taylor. ... 100% this. Boxers used to go up in weight class without gaining weight to have multiple belts at the same time (Sugar Ray Leonard against Hagler for one notable example). Maybe there is some reflex memory is us old guys brains that automatically thinks going up in weight class is impressive 2
dragit Posted January 17, 2023 Posted January 17, 2023 11 minutes ago, Jim L said: 100% this. Boxers used to go up in weight class without gaining weight to have multiple belts at the same time (Sugar Ray Leonard against Hagler for one notable example). Maybe there is some reflex memory is us old guys brains that automatically thinks going up in weight class is impressive I'd be thrilled to have an reflexes or any memory left at all in my old guy brain, even if they only chased shiny objects like multiple weight class belts.
headshuck Posted January 17, 2023 Posted January 17, 2023 Why wouldn’t Lee be at 133 this year? Seems rehab may have been easier.
Plasmodium Posted January 17, 2023 Posted January 17, 2023 9 minutes ago, headshuck said: Why wouldn’t Lee be at 133 this year? Seems rehab may have been easier. Because the odds of him winning 133 is very low. Most likely 3rd. 1
Jimmy Cinnabon Posted January 17, 2023 Author Posted January 17, 2023 17 minutes ago, Plasmodium said: Because the odds of him winning 133 is very low. Most likely 3rd. Hogwash. I've been told he would win titles from 125-149. Maybe even 157 (not no bonus in the finals). 1
82bordeaux Posted January 17, 2023 Posted January 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Jamie_Taco said: Spencer wasn't 0-2 vs Seabass, he was 2-2. 02/04/18 - W DEC 7-4 03/03/18 W MD 12 - 0 12/29/18 L DEC 7-3 03/09/19 L SV-1 6-4 He was also 2-1 vs NaTo 01/21/18 W DEC 3-2 03/03/18 L DEC 2 - 1 03/15/18 W FALL 6:05 I stand corrected!
Ponzi Posted January 17, 2023 Posted January 17, 2023 2 hours ago, Jim L said: 100% this. Boxers used to go up in weight class without gaining weight to have multiple belts at the same time (Sugar Ray Leonard against Hagler for one notable example). Maybe there is some reflex memory is us old guys brains that automatically thinks going up in weight class is impressive I basically agree, but with one qualification. The fact that Dake gained 25 pounds in college (all while having minimal body fat) shows he was really a kid when he won at 141. This observation is in line with him winning as a true freshman. When he won at 141, he was a a boy. When he won at 165 had gained grown man strength. 1
Plasmodium Posted January 17, 2023 Posted January 17, 2023 31 minutes ago, Ponzi said: I basically agree, but with one qualification. The fact that Dake gained 25 pounds in college (all while having minimal body fat) shows he was really a kid when he won at 141. This observation is in line with him winning as a true freshman. When he won at 141, he was a a boy. When he won at 165 had gained grown man strength. Also indicates he cut one helluva lot of weight as a freshman. 1
ionel Posted January 17, 2023 Posted January 17, 2023 1 minute ago, Plasmodium said: Also indicates he cut one helluva lot of weight as a freshman. How so? 1 .
Perry Posted January 17, 2023 Posted January 17, 2023 Dake. Fewer losses and better wins. Lee would also be below stieber on my all time list.
dragit Posted January 17, 2023 Posted January 17, 2023 1 hour ago, ionel said: How so? I think I remember him talking about having cut a lot freshman and sophomore year and part of why he went to 165 his last year was to minimize cutting. This HOF article notes weight cut issues at 141 and 149 in a couple of places. https://nwhof.org/news/kyle-dake-s-journey-to-history-a-year-by-year-look
Fadzaev2 Posted January 17, 2023 Posted January 17, 2023 It was great watching Dake's finals matches!!!
Ponzi Posted January 17, 2023 Posted January 17, 2023 5 hours ago, Jim L said: 100% this. Boxers used to go up in weight class without gaining weight to have multiple belts at the same time (Sugar Ray Leonard against Hagler for one notable example). Maybe there is some reflex memory is us old guys brains that automatically thinks going up in weight class is impressive What makes you think they did not gain weight when they went up? Even if a boxer held belts at more than one weight, fights are spread out by months. There is plenty of time to gain weight when you go up (or simply not cut) and to cut weight when you go down. 1
neweruser69 Posted January 18, 2023 Posted January 18, 2023 5 hours ago, Ponzi said: I basically agree, but with one qualification. The fact that Dake gained 25 pounds in college (all while having minimal body fat) shows he was really a kid when he won at 141. This observation is in line with him winning as a true freshman. When he won at 141, he was a a boy. When he won at 165 had gained grown man strength. No no, Dake was a huge 141 and maybe the biggest 149 I've ever seen. The man strength was always a factor or Reece Humphrey would've had him. 1
dragit Posted January 18, 2023 Posted January 18, 2023 1 hour ago, neweruser69 said: No no, Dake was a huge 141 and maybe the biggest 149 I've ever seen. The man strength was always a factor or Reece Humphrey would've had him. Yep. Marion had him dead to rights at one point on a leg attack and Dake just muscled out with a ridiculous improvised bridge. And then he applied seven minutes worth of, um, how would one describe it? substantial force? brutality? to Molinaro (a somewhat muscular fellow himself) the next year. 1
Eagle26 Posted January 18, 2023 Posted January 18, 2023 Everyone also thought he was too small to ever wrestle 125. "A 118"Well, I wouldn’t say everyone said that. Maybe some people thought that, but I sure didn’t. Most people in PA thought Lee would have tremendous success in college and he has certainly lived up to those expectations. I was just making the point that crazy things can happen. I think every single person in the state except Austin DeSanto thought Lee would win his 4th state title in HS. So I am rooting for Lee to win his 4th title this year and I think he will, but it’s premature to count it. Of course Jimmy knows that too, but here we are taking the bait lol
Jim L Posted January 18, 2023 Posted January 18, 2023 17 hours ago, Ponzi said: What makes you think they did not gain weight when they went up? Even if a boxer held belts at more than one weight, fights are spread out by months. There is plenty of time to gain weight when you go up (or simply not cut) and to cut weight when you go down. I thought in general boxers were not big weight cutters. Sugar Ray Leonard claimed to have weighed in with silver dollars in his pocket when he went up for a weight class for title fight. He did for sure weigh in with warm-ups... https://www.boxingnewsonline.net/on-this-day-sugar-ray-leonard-overcomes-a-spirited-donny-lalonde-to-win-world-titles-in-two-weight-divisions/
Interviewed_at_Weehawken Posted January 18, 2023 Posted January 18, 2023 19 hours ago, ionel said: How so? He has admitted to this.
Antitroll2828 Posted January 18, 2023 Posted January 18, 2023 14 hours ago, dragit said: Yep. Marion had him dead to rights at one point on a leg attack and Dake just muscled out with a ridiculous improvised bridge. And then he applied seven minutes worth of, um, how would one describe it? substantial force? brutality? to Molinaro (a somewhat muscular fellow himself) the next year. His utter domination of molinaro is almost impressive at beating Taylor in 2 close matches , not many people could dominate him like that , dake could have rode molinaro til he dyed of starvation if he wanted
Plasmodium Posted January 18, 2023 Posted January 18, 2023 1 hour ago, Jim L said: I thought in general boxers were not big weight cutters. Sugar Ray Leonard claimed to have weighed in with silver dollars in his pocket when he went up for a weight class for title fight. He did for sure weigh in with warm-ups... https://www.boxingnewsonline.net/on-this-day-sugar-ray-leonard-overcomes-a-spirited-donny-lalonde-to-win-world-titles-in-two-weight-divisions/ Thomas Hearns must have been cutting serious weight when he was making 145.
dragit Posted January 18, 2023 Posted January 18, 2023 4 hours ago, Plasmodium said: Thomas Hearns must have been cutting serious weight when he was making 145. Skeletal.
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