PSULou64 Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 2 hours ago, Caveira said: Then there should be less griping about their seeds/rankings at this point. I didn't realize that the PSU wrestlers and coaches were griping? I must have missed the interviews that they gave regarding this. As for the people on here griping; there's pretty much nothing much else to do until the matches take place and we get more results but we have to pass the time doing something while we wait. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interviewed_at_Weehawken Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 27 minutes ago, PSULou64 said: I didn't realize that the PSU wrestlers and coaches were griping? I must have missed the interviews that they gave regarding this. As for the people on here griping; there's pretty much nothing much else to do until the matches take place and we get more results but we have to pass the time doing something while we wait. Good point. I am pretty sure Cael and company know exactly how it works and are willing to accept any and all ramifications with zero complaining. They understand the system. They understand (for the most part) the needs of their guys. They make judgements on what exactly they can do under the system. It is the fans who whine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truzzcat Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 3 hours ago, Winners Circle said: I'd say my tiers, based on where guys are and how they're wrestling right now, are: T1: KOT & Carr T2: MM T3: Hamiti, Olejnik, Ramirez, Caliendo, Amine, Fish, Hall MM may be T1, but I need to see it first. And I think it's obvious he's separated himself from the T3 field. id be fine with mitchell being high end tier 3 or moving hamiti,ramirez,olejnik up to tier 2 with him but I dont think you can put MM on tier island for albeit destroying a seemingly not in form amine and fish when ramirez has beaten carr and quincy twice last year and hamiti has bonused 3 guys in the same tier as him (ramirez,fish,hall) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckshot Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 If MM runs the table he pretty much has to be seeded #2 and if Carr knocks off KOT either time they face each other he'd have to be #1. Just look at the resume if he comes out of Big Tens he'll have bonused Olguin, Amine and Fish (so far) and have wins against Caliendo and Hamiti (likely in the finals). If KOT, Carr, Ramirez and Olejnik all have losses you can't deny him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MizzouFan01 Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 31 minutes ago, buckshot said: If MM runs the table he pretty much has to be seeded #2 and if Carr knocks off KOT either time they face each other he'd have to be #1. Just look at the resume if he comes out of Big Tens he'll have bonused Olguin, Amine and Fish (so far) and have wins against Caliendo and Hamiti (likely in the finals). If KOT, Carr, Ramirez and Olejnik all have losses you can't deny him. Although I see your point, but if Carr beats KOT in the dual but O’Toole beats him at B12’s I could see KOT as the 1 over an unbeaten B10 MM. KOT strength of schedule based on the wrestlers he’s faced outweighs MM. Do I think it happens that a 1 loss KOT is the 1 seed, probably not, but we’ve seen crazier things happen in the brackets. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le duke Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 (edited) A 1-loss KOT would have to be seeded over an undefeated MM based on quality wins, and would likely still be ranked ahead of him, maybe by two places, in the coaches poll. Edited January 31 by Le duke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truzzcat Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 17 minutes ago, MizzouFan01 said: Although I see your point, but if Carr beats KOT in the dual but O’Toole beats him at B12’s I could see KOT as the 1 over an unbeaten B10 MM. KOT strength of schedule based on the wrestlers he’s faced outweighs MM. Do I think it happens that a 1 loss KOT is the 1 seed, probably not, but we’ve seen crazier things happen in the brackets. Willie did a write up predicting 1 seeds and this is pretty much what he said as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnwtwg Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 KOT and Carr being on the same side would be a travesty. If MM earns Saturday night then great, but don't rob fans of the opportunity for closure. 1 i am an idiot on the internet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MizzouFan01 Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 26 minutes ago, Truzzcat said: Willie did a write up predicting 1 seeds and this is pretty much what he said as well It’s behind the paywall, wish I could read it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richferg Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Considering it’s only 1/2 way thru his rs freshman year, maybe the noise around MM might be a little early. But if there is one thing we know about Cael, it’s not where his wrestlers are in January, it’s where they finish in March. Except for KOT and DC, there might not be anybody you would less like to see in your bracket come nationals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lipdrag Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 28 minutes ago, bnwtwg said: KOT and Carr being on the same side would be a travesty. If MM earns Saturday night then great, but don't rob fans of the opportunity for closure. Word. The actual seed number is less important to me than splitting these two. If one of them is #1 then the other is 2 or 3. If MM gets the #1 then I hope these two are 2 or 3 and 4. If the top 4 guys don't crap the bed along the way and only beat each other then the seeding committee has the wiggle room to credibly make this happen. Therefore, committee, make it so. Nuff said. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 44 minutes ago, bnwtwg said: KOT and Carr being on the same side would be a travesty. If MM earns Saturday night then great, but don't rob fans of the opportunity for closure. I mean if Mesenbrink beats one of them then wouldn’t that make it not a travesty? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Can the seeding committee give Carr credit for beating Ramirez due to the duck? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MizzouFan01 Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 14 minutes ago, 1032004 said: Can the seeding committee give Carr credit for beating Ramirez due to the duck? Didn’t Ramirez beat him at CKLV? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 42 minutes ago, MizzouFan01 said: Didn’t Ramirez beat him at CKLV? Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnwtwg Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 1 hour ago, 1032004 said: I mean if Mesenbrink beats one of them then wouldn’t that make it not a travesty? I literally said they should be separated and one of them has to defeat MM on Friday night, so yeah? i am an idiot on the internet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnwtwg Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 59 minutes ago, MizzouFan01 said: Didn’t Ramirez beat him at CKLV? And didn't wrestle him again when given the opportunity. i am an idiot on the internet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MizzouFan01 Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 19 minutes ago, bnwtwg said: And didn't wrestle him again when given the opportunity. I didn’t know that. Just knew Olenjik beat Ramirez in the finals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRedFan Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 43 minutes ago, bnwtwg said: And didn't wrestle him again when given the opportunity. Give it a f****ing rest already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VakAttack Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 7 minutes ago, BigRedFan said: Give it a f****ing rest already. Nah, he's right. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRedFan Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 7 minutes ago, VakAttack said: Nah, he's right. So, in his previous match, Ramirez was faking a hurt ankle in preparation for ducking? You guys are just too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingcement Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 (edited) Cornell haven't historically been ducks, and they typically go out of their way to have one of the most competitive schedules. However the optics of what occurred that night are hard to explain away. Edited January 31 by flyingcement 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGTENFANBOY Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 On 1/29/2024 at 12:03 PM, Pinnacle said: Shapiro will wrestle Haines, not Messenbrink. Right now same weight I favor Messenbrink over Shapiro by at least 2 takedowns, maybe more. At 157 based solely on the last 4 weeks I rate Haines and Shapiro a toss up. Haines is dinged by a couple average results, but that is offset by the PSU post season bump. Ehhh youre kinda forgetting how Cornell does against PSU stars in big matches (minus Nickal v Dean) Dake v Molinaro, Dake v Taylor, Vito v RBY... im off the opinion that Shaprios poor performance at CKLV was not gas tank or wrestling multiple matches like the guy guys insinuate. I think he got concussed during the Andonian match... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Blades Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 2 hours ago, 1032004 said: Can the seeding committee give Carr credit for beating Ramirez due to the duck? Is there a "duck index" in the official selection and seeding criteria? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VakAttack Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 33 minutes ago, BigRedFan said: So, in his previous match, Ramirez was faking a hurt ankle in preparation for ducking? You guys are just too much. I know, I know, everybody remembers, the whole Cornell team got injured after they all wrestled two duals earlier that day. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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