MPhillips Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 21 minutes ago, Hammerlock3 said: trying to make sense of this. I blame Askren and Burwikk... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 41 minutes ago, MPhillips said: I owe Askren and Burwikk a debt of gratitude... FIFY "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 I completely forgot that Askren had coached at the RTC… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexRef Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 3 hours ago, Hammerlock3 said: is there a scenario like, he had a bunch of scholarship money and whiffed on all his recruits and just held unto it? trying to make sense of this. Maybe he didn't sign off on it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexRef Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 1 hour ago, 1032004 said: I completely forgot that Askren had coached at the RTC… Don't forget that Matt McDonough was also released. I don't remember what happened with that. I like Matt and thought having him on staff was going to be a plus. I think my buckeye friend @MPhillips could remember what happened there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 3 minutes ago, TexRef said: Don't forget that Matt McDonough was also released. I don't remember what happened with that. I like Matt and thought having him on staff was going to be a plus. I think my buckeye friend @MPhillips could remember what happened there. Yeah I do remember hearing he kinda got pushed out for Gross. Not sure what that would have to do with Askren though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexRef Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 5 minutes ago, 1032004 said: Yeah I do remember hearing he kinda got pushed out for Gross. Not sure what that would have to do with Askren though? I didn't say that it had anything to do with Askren, just some of the other turmoil that has gone on since Barry Davis left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Stankowski Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 12 hours ago, TexRef said: This sounds a lot like the campfire talk when Davis "wasn't getting it done" in Madison. Davis did not have the in state recruits like Bono has and is whiffing on, OToole, Mocco, Whiting, Buchanan, Keckeisen, Mesenbreck, Mulvaney, Sinclair, Hopke, Mirasola twins, Scoles and a handful of others that I missed. That is a lot of recruits to miss on dont you know 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interviewed_at_Weehawken Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, 1032004 said: Yeah I do remember hearing he kinda got pushed out for Gross. Not sure what that would have to do with Askren though? Askren did say that he liked McDonough which was difficult for him with his strong hatred of the Hawks. I think he liked Gross too, but I bet he didn't like what happened to McD. He also seemed tight with Moran and Wick, neither of whom appear to have left Madison on a positive note. Edited November 21, 2023 by Interviewed_at_Weehawken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jchapman Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Ivan Stankowski said: Davis did not have the in state recruits like Bono has and is whiffing on, OToole, Mocco, Whiting, Buchanan, Keckeisen, Mesenbreck, Mulvaney, Sinclair, Hopke, Mirasola twins, Scoles and a handful of others that I missed. That is a lot of recruits to miss on dont you know Really? Off the top of my head Davis "whiffed" on Cole Conrad, Tim Hartung, Garrett Lowney, Ben Askren, and Alex Dieringer. I believe that is a total of 9 NCAA individual titles, 12 NCAA Finals appearances, 3 Hodge Trophies, 2 Olympians, and 1 Olympic medal. I'm not a Bono apologist, but come on, there has been great Wisconsin prep talent leaving the state for 30 years now. Edited November 21, 2023 by jchapman 3 Craig Henning got screwed in the 2007 NCAA Finals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jchapman Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 (edited) . Edited November 21, 2023 by jchapman Craig Henning got screwed in the 2007 NCAA Finals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestle Inc Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 Reader+McDonough. They are my picks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Stankowski Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 35 minutes ago, jchapman said: Really? Off the top of my head Davis "whiffed" on Cole Conrad, Tim Hartung, Garrett Lowney, Ben Askren, and Alex Dieringer. I believe that is a total of 9 NCAA individual titles, 12 NCAA Finals appearances, 3 Hodge Trophies, 2 Olympians, and 1 Olympic medal. I'm not a Bono apologist, but come on, there has been great Wisconsin prep talent leaving the state for 30 years now. Sure there was, but just not as many, so his chance of maybe landing one should have been better, but we can agree to disagree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scourge165 Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 10 hours ago, TexRef said: I didn't say that it had anything to do with Askren, just some of the other turmoil that has gone on since Barry Davis left. It has been something Ben has brought up, but I don't know if that's after they fell out or played a role in it. I thought people had said that played a role, but I've only heard a couple of details from people who are around the program. There was a lot of hand-wringing when he brought Gross though. I don't know, seemed like a good idea to get a kid you developed in there, but MM was caught in the middle a bit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idaho Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 3 hours ago, jchapman said: Really? Off the top of my head Davis "whiffed" on Cole Conrad, Tim Hartung, Garrett Lowney, Ben Askren, and Alex Dieringer. I believe that is a total of 9 NCAA individual titles, 12 NCAA Finals appearances, 3 Hodge Trophies, 2 Olympians, and 1 Olympic medal. I'm not a Bono apologist, but come on, there has been great Wisconsin prep talent leaving the state for 30 years now. Speaking of leaving, what's the Rowley story. IMO that was a big loss. 1 Sponsored by INTERMAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jchapman Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 10 minutes ago, Idaho said: Speaking of leaving, what's the Rowley story. IMO that was a big loss. I have no idea. Craig Henning got screwed in the 2007 NCAA Finals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 16 hours ago, MPhillips said: I blame Askkren and Burwikk... ftfy 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 15 minutes ago, ionel said: ftfy Don't let that kkey get sticky now... "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 Has McDonough tried to get back on a D1 staff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingcement Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 Something sad to me about Hamiti: as a true freshman, his dominance against national qualifier level wrestlers (usually pinning them) was something to behold. As time went on, it seemed as if he lost every single match that was wasn't favored to win. I can't remember if he has ever "upset" someone since that fun regular season ride as a true freshman. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MNRodent Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 21 minutes ago, flyingcement said: Something sad to me about Hamiti: as a true freshman, his dominance against national qualifier level wrestlers (usually pinning them) was something to behold. As time went on, it seemed as if he lost every single match that was wasn't favored to win. I can't remember if he has ever "upset" someone since that fun regular season ride as a true freshman. They talked about this on Flo Radio, calling him the most consistent wrestler in the NCAA. Never gets upset, never upsets anyone. This leads to the discussion, how did he get ranked in the first place if he never beat anyone ranked higher than him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingcement Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 3 minutes ago, MNRodent said: They talked about this on Flo Radio, calling him the most consistent wrestler in the NCAA. Never gets upset, never upsets anyone. This leads to the discussion, how did he get ranked in the first place if he never beat anyone ranked higher than him? He kept beating guys in the beginning of the season and Illinois Matmen Open (I think this was the replacement for the cancelled Midlands, but could be mistaken) was where he announced his prescence by pinning Hartman, teching Conigliaro, and majoring Braunagel. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 1 hour ago, nhs67 said: Don't let that kkey get sticky now... okk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulldog Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 Back in themat.com com days, there were a number of SDSU fans who made it very clear their now-former coach lacked in the integrity department...and it went way beyond him jumping ship to Madison. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le duke Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 When Hamiti came in, I thought this dude was a sure fire NCAA champ. He was lighting people up. Dynamic, funky. Now? I don’t think he’ll place higher than 4th. He’s the same wrestler he was in 2022.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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