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I get what you're saying. Carter Starocci accomplished more than Bo Nickal, but Bo had a more exciting style of Wrestling. I don't agree necessarily. Starocci was just as dominant and didn't need that big throw or whatever, but I know what you're saying. I've always argued that you can't just rank guys according to # of Titles. It's not that simple. I don't think there's much of a gap between Nolf, Zain, DT and Starocci... I don't think you put Stieber as one of the top 5(before last night) just because he had 4. I think you could argue a guy like Abas was better than Lee(if he'd finished it). There's a lot of opinion and nuance involved. He couldn't even beat Iowa State in a duel. Not...impressed! No, he's incredible and I think you're right. I think he's very possibly the 3rd best in the world at the moment. Just a shame he's 2nd in his own room. Bigger shame that we've got Mother#$%$#5 God#$%4 stupid #$%$ BREAKDANCING in the Olympics now, but 10 weights is juuuust too many. Lets have cuts cut out a kidney so they can drop to 163 or they can just move up to 190. I know the Russia-Ukraine thing is considered "important," to people, but the US, Russia, and Nato need to come together to rectify this! (I'm kidding...obviously, horrible War, but it's a joke).

Hell yeah. Why not? You let Barr wrestle a bunch, get him some big duels, you throw...IDK, Sealey out there, see how the lineup is playing out. Now, if you're Starocci and hypothetically, you have O'Toole at '74 and Keck at '84...you might not want to put it out there again. He's a legit 4X Champ, no Covid*...he can walk away now as one of the greats, done. OR...he could come back, take on probably the two best Wrestlers in the NCAA heading into next year P4P(or they're at least close). And then on the other hand...he never made Gabe Arnold cry in front of his parents after Arnold called him overrated, so maybe we see Carter come back JUST for that Iowa duel! I think Bartlett, Kerk and Starocci are back and in that order. If you're Bartlett, how do you not come back? After the way this year went down? Now regarding Kerk, he always seems bored with the sport. So he's the hardest to read, but when you win TWO titles...that's a whole other group you move into.

**BASSETT I need to re-read my own posts more clearly. Erik Gibson, Mason Gibson, Beau Bassett...probably Keegan Bassett also(though that's really projecting). How they get these guys to sign on when they KNOW just to make the lineup...a kid like Erik Gibson will have to beat those middle weights where they're young and already competing at an elite-elite level.

I would. PSU is just getting better and better. PSU has guys like Sealy, Barr, Duke, Facundo, Henkel...all of whom will have to battle just to crack the lineup by then. Add Davis, Lillendahl, Kasak, Bartlett(won't be '26 though), Haines, Messenbrink, the Ryder, Mirasola's, Cunningham, Gibson...I'm missing so many other guys it's ridiculous. I'd also expect Davis, Nagao to get better. Haines may take a RS. I'm guessing Bartlett ends up there given the cousin is there and he seems to be around the program, but IDK, not like the future hinges on any one guy, they're going to be insanely deep. And how many guys don't have at least one year remaining? Brooks and Truax? I've always thought Starocci would come back, take basket weaving and get another year in to get 5 while he trains for Freestyle anyway...and in so doing, grab that NIL money(and it's off-cycle, he could even go 184 to allow for Facundo to get back into the lineup. I don't know what they'll do, but they've still got an embarrassment of riches.

He's great. He'd be SO much better if he juuuuust said "resliate" a little less. Some asshole pointed this out to me and now it's all I hear! But Sparks is great. Love the enthusiasm and knowledge of the sport.

I think everyone is letting him live it...they're just rooting for him to participate in a real sport and one that we all follow.

Shit...this was a while ago, but I still want to correct this damn auto-correct. I HAD Messenbrink...until I watched O'Toole handle Carr. @Wrestej I don't "hate" the kid(I hope that was obvious). I just think Keegan is a significantly better Wrestler than last year(when he was a NC and beat Carr in the finals). He might be the best Wrestler P4P in the Country right now(though it's hard to take the PSU duo).

I hate Messenbrink...until I watched Carr-O'Toole. I think O'Toole has taken another leap this year. His defense is so solid and he can score from anywhere...and I don't think he's going to gas. I don't see anyone beating him, but it'll be interesting to see how they matchup.

THAT is some impressive shit. I remember him getting hurt...I did not remember it was a broken ankle. Again, my own anecdotal experiences, knee injuries can vary in pain or ability to Wrestle on them. A broken ankle though? I had a friend with an irrational dislike for Mr. Jaggers. Claimed he got lucky...TWICE. He was a helluva Wrestler also, so he really should have been smart enough to know you don't "get lucky," and win TWO Titles...but he'd still argue it!

Oh...yeah. I didn't even have my first one repaired for a few years, but I did have it blow up on me a few times and have it drained. THAT hurt like a SOB. It's like draining your ear kinda...but worse in how much it hurts and then so much better in how it feels. I didn't tear my meniscus with the ACL though. It was just a straight ACL. I thought if you had a torn meniscus or anything else, it would pretty much be a wrap. BUT, we don't even know what it is. That way it moved...that makes me think it could have been the MCL. Definitely hope he can go for the D1s. It'd suck if he couldn't compete.

I tore my ACL and didn't find out for...3-4 weeks. It swelled up, but I could still put weight on it and move around. This was after a teammate had suffered his 3rd torn ACL in less than 3 years (right, then left, then tore the right again). He tore his and it was like a broken leg. It blew up, he wouldn't be able to put weight on it, he couldn't possibly Wrestle. I remember asking my Orthopedic Surgeon(when I went in for a consultation before shoulder surgery) why I didn't know and his were so bad. He basically just said...they don't know. With knees or shoulders, they're a wide variance between how much pain it causes, how the rehab will go...he even pointed out there was an NBA player who didn't even have ACLs and played in College and was elite and then played for I think San Antonio. I couldn't Wrestle through the same shoulder injury others had. I could Wrestle and rehab through a torn ACL...enough to compete. I hope he's able to compete. I'd hate to see a kid like him going for 4 have his season end in such an anti-climatic manner and it's just bad for the sport.

I'm afraid to ask at this point.

No...it wasn't "essentially asking," that even a little bit. It was essentially asking...do people honestly believe that people are not contributing to climate change. This is actually straightforward and not even EV-related...though EV technology is still in it's infancy and batteries and infrastructure are improving, I don't care what your opinion on EVs are. I was asking a more general question(really don't know how much more clear I could have made that...

Yeah, but only recently on their trucks. I didn't even really know about them when I started looking at Tundra's. Then saw the Capstone and...they're 2 years in IIRC on making those hybrids? I've gotten some shit for it, not buying a Ford but they're made in America(at least many are, you can tell if yours was by the vin and mine have been) and the resale, the reliability, they're just better for my purposes. The EVs can be great, but obviously, they're less convenient. Setting aside what you think of the solutions or the hypocrisy, do people honestly believe that people aren't contributing to climate change or that it's not an issue that's seriously impacting us?

Well...I just can't argue with any aspect of this! Particularly not the 2nd part!

I can't tell if this is serious or you're trolling! LOL...how is is similar to blacks not being able to drink at the same fountains or attend schools with dirt floors because they don't use the exact same equipment the men do? They're NOT equal physically. We all know this. You're comparing an athlete's dominance in their particular sport. Also...if you're not voting for a WCBB player because they play with a smaller ball, you don't strike me as the person who'd suddenly be open to it if they changed the size ball they use.

Yeah, the added not to the Tweet provides some additional context about how "cheap" that food is;

A guy like him says he's going to do something, I'll take his word for it, but that seems like a huge cut. Hell, 174 pounds looks like a helluva cut for him. I wonder if he wouldn't be preparing for 86KG if not for Brooks. Just reiterates how asinine it is to have 6 Olympic weights in the oldest sport, but we've got...BREAK DANCING now. That's...an Olympic Sport. Break Dancing....I mean, c'mon....

Again, I know it's sacrilegious to respect Basketball players at all, but she's fun to watch. I'm not quite setting my schedule to it, but I noticed they were on...what, yesterday(two days ago now) and tuned in. Ledecky is the most deserving, but...I'm still voting for Taylor.

I don't disagree that he isn't the best face for a program at first glance, but...winning can do a WHOLE lot to alleviate those concerns. He doesn't have any criminal issues/background. He is a little...arrogant. Feels like you could deal with that. The organizational experience or skill? The skill is a no-brainer. Yes. He has that. Dealing with the kids, the boosters, NIL...he'd have to have the right people around him(Max actually seems like he'd be excellent at that, but he has no experience either). I think if a program wanted him, they'd do the things needed to make it work. He may be a major gamble...so you take out the premiere programs. But, again, the most likely, Wisconsin? What's the gamble there? They're regressing under Bono. But again, I don't think it'll happen and my guess would be the focus on coaching was much more AWA-related (as others have said).

I was JUST talking with a very close relative to someone pretty high up in UW's athletic department. So this is filtered through someone not named McIntosh, but it sounds like Wisconsin is a non-starter from their perspective. Sounds like that bridge is burned. Could that be because they know he's very unlikely to leave a pretty lucrative gig running his own business and he's spoken less than glowingly about the program since he was a recruit? No clue. Going back to the original question, name recognition? It may not be there with Taylor, JB, Snyder or Dake nationally, but it sure is in Wisconsin. So he'd probably get most of the kids that come through AWA. Now developing them? I think you'd have as much confidence in his ability to develop College Wrestlers as anyone else who hasn't proven they can do it yet. He played pretty significant role in changing College Wrestling...so I can't imagine why he'd have trouble taking a stud recruit and developing them. So I think he could turn around the program(or elevate most programs). I also heard he made a VERY substantial offer to the Crass brothers to buy their program(plus an agreement to keep them on to run it). They turned it down...but that one was filtered through more people, so the number that I heard was probably much higher than it really was, IF it happened.

I would say there was an obvious inconsistency at '25 and '41. They gave reaction time at '25 but not at '41. If you're going to give Davis the TD, Bartlett shouldn't have gotten one...IMO. I'd love to see an independent ref reviewing the call at the Conference Tourneys and of course the NCAAs. Not the same ref who made the call...the guy who's more inclined to go with the call on the Mat...a ref who doesn't have a bias.

LOL..."watered down?" 4X NCAA Champ and...World Champ...and sure, that's a bit watered down, but the 4 Titles? But 4X NCAA Champ who "really isn't?" No, he really is. And please don't give me the "It was a TD by Oliver," shit. It was explicitly NOT a TD that year. Point of emphasis, you had to get your head out. That very position was gone over by the refs in coaches' meetings. Kinda like Football and what was a "catch" for a few years...but nonetheless, dude is a 4X Champ.

I never said they weren't. I was agreeing with another poster in what seems to be the consensus on this board that KOT will be going for 4 next year. I ne And here is your response to the idea that KOT is the FAVORITE...but not quite the overwhelming favorite that the rest of the board is suggesting. "He beat the bricks off Carr." Which...FTR, not an expression I've heard. Beat the Breaks off, sure. But either way. Did Carr not also "beat the bricks off," KOT earlier? Didn't he win 2 in a row? But it's WILD to say that O'Toole has a 45% chance, and Carr has a 30% chance? Your response to "both are mentioned in the OP..." makes even less sense now when you go and echo exactly what I was talking about in my post...

Completely agree. KOT deserves all the respect he gets, but David Carr isn't some upstart. It's not Caldwell vs Metcalf where they wrestled once, it was a fluke, Metcalf stomped him and then he shocked the world. He beat him soundly twice last year. And you can't possibly count out Messenbrink. Nobody can match his motor.