Truzzcat

I did not get the impression that it still bothers him but I'm sure it would be a lot for any 12–18-year-old. Obviously, it did not bother him enough to make him quit. It seemed like they were trying to illustrate the parallels between the two of them going into their first and second meetings in high school which is why I think he mentioned it.

I took it more of him expressing about how he's been under a microscope since he was in elementary school with this expectation that he had to be the most dominant wrestler ever. Coupling that with his injuries but still the general perception remaining the same I'm sure it gets very frustrating.

jeez these hold backs are getting insane... 15 in 8th grade??

I know Ben has discussed this before when asked why his club kids seem to develop later. Para phrasing but it was something along the lines of hes not coaching kids to be the best 8th grader in the country he wants them to constantly be developing new skills and a lot of times to do that you're going to have worse results before you ultimately master those skills and the better results will follow.

I was just thinking about Nc states team, they're definitely a strong competitor for the second slot at NCAA's but had they wrestled singleton at 174 and Trumble at heavy I think they would have almost been a lock. A lot of singleton and Trumble's success have been in freestyle but given singleton beat Gabe Arnold twice at junior trials and Trumbles recent success on the freestyle seen as well as winning the scuffle relatively easily I have to imagine they could have potentially had two additional AA's at two of their weakest weights this year.

Anyone know who Lilledahl lost to and the score? was interested in his results.

He did not look great against Justin McCoy needed a late takedown but that could just be because they've wrestled so many times.

maybe head-to-head but in a tournament setting I think the floors of those guys aside from ridge are just much lower even at 125 Davis has just been far more consistent.

NC state is the only team I think you can strongly argue may be better. I think Orine and Arrington are a good bit more likely to High AA than Nagao and Kasak. Davis and Camacho I would say is a wash I like Camacho's upside but hard to ignore that skid mid-season. Beau's floor is like 3 unless he skids into hardy in the Consi semis but more than likely he's in the finals and I think jacks ceiling is probably 5. Penn state has a legit shot at 2 champs though whereas Nc states best shot is Camacho, but he could also fail to AA.

that i've not seen mentioned Nagao vs vito Andonian vs Meyer 3 Parco vs Gomez Ramirez vs Mitchell Keck vs Bernie 6? Watters vs Kasak swiderski vs kasak Jacori vs Haines figs vs stanich Bailey vs nagao Hardy vs Beau 3 Brayden Thompson vs welsh Edmond ruth vs Carter

just paid

125: #1 seed - Davis; champ: Camacho 133: #1 seed - Crookham; champ: Crookham 141: #1 seed - Mendez; champ: Mendez 149: #1 seed - Lovett; champ: Gomez 157: #1 seed - Haines; champ: Haines 165: #1 seed - KOT; champ: KOT 174: #1 seed - Lewis; champ: Carter 184: #1 seed - Keck; champ: Keck 197: #1 seed - Trent; champ: Trent HWT: #1 seed - Yonger; champ: Wyatt PSU 9 AA's one of bernie,davis,Nagao loses in blood round

purely based on the seeding matrix without intervention Yonger should be 1 same instance for Trent at 197 however I think intervention is more warranted there.

I did not mean that in an attempt to discredit the university. It's one of the best schools in PA I was just saying being so close to the Bethlehem area and jersey + having an RTC gives them resources that a lot of smaller schools do not have which keeps them in the hunt for these bigger recruits. More recently chance Marsteller's club has really risen to prominence and they are also right out of that area.

I would Imagine his list was pretty extensive, Prior to his injury his junior year I believe he was ranked 1 or 2 for his entire class recruiting wise. Lehigh has their own RTC and a direct pipeline to pretty much the hub of wrestling in PA, so I think that allows them to vulture some elite talent from the bigger programs.

hes probably behind ragusin and definitely orine. Could see him behind Bailey but h2h may spit him out.

UWW always ages you to the year you were born because of their youth criteria so if your birthday has not occurred it will still have you as the age you turn that year.

125: Jakob Camacho 133: Crookham 141: Mendez 149: Gomez 157: Haines 165: KOT 174: Carter if he wrestles 184: Keck 197: Trent 285: Yonger

Yonger has beaten 3,4,5(x2),6,8,10,11,12,17 Greg 6,7(x2),8(x2),13 (Hendrickson in the all star which does not count towards seeding) which I agree is dumb I dont really agree those are comparable resumes if you just take into account this season. Bonus rate 73% Greg 71% yonger

I think unless carr can seriously adjust to that crotch lock corner sit keegan does hes not going to be able to beat him so I would definitely agree. I think MM could have issues in that same situation hamiti cut the corner on him a ton but keegan has gotten bit by ducks a few times this year and MM is so good at that wrist throw by to an outside step so those will be fun positions to watch.

I agree with you it's just going to be odd to see more than likely the two best guys at the weight hit in the semis although that's just how things go sometimes. The only issue I have given how it looks the formula will spit it out the 1 seed will be a far less favorable draw than the 2 which again is not Mitchell's problem so he should not be dinged for it just kind of shitty for KOT. Selfishly I also wanted to see MM wrestle both Carr and KOT.

I saw Nomad tweeting that Yonger will be spit out as the 1 seed and based on this season alone and no previous factors I agree with that. He made the point that you cannot feel that Greg should be 1 and Crookham should also be 1 over Daton given that Daton has the historical excellence on his side, but Crookham has the better wins this year, which is the same case as Yonger Greg. I just wanted to see your guys thoughts the 1 seed at both weights seems large given the 2 will likely get Vito at 133 and Wyatt at heavy.

Wyatt should take top next time

do not let Yonger bounce on one leg

If KOT runs the table he will have more than likely beaten the big 10 champ at both 165 and 174 wonder if anyone has beaten two big 10 champs of that year in the same season.