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I know this is a Starocci thread, but I'm puzzled why everyone is so sure KOT gets another title this year. I'm sorry, but I have O'Toole's chance of repeating this year at sub-50%. His record is 1-2 against Carr, a guy who's never had more than one loss in a season (and he already has his loss this year). Its amazing to me how little respect Carr gets on this forum, with everyone putting him on a different "level" than KOT. And throw in Mesenbrink, who is a dark horse to upset either/both of them. And didn't KOT just barely nip Peyton Hall 8-7? I have KOT and Carr as a toss-up, and MM, although probably a step behind both, is just enough in the mix to put the odds of KOT a little under 50%.

With PSU less than two months away from losing two three time champs, I thought we could take a look at what the landscape currently looks like for guys who can make a three legged stool with their trophies. I think everyone is generally familiar with this: A while back I dabbled with the idea of eras in college wrestling. After spending a little time with the historical rules I came up with something that divided our history into four eras based on a combination of how many weights, All-Americans per weight, and the importance of individual first place in team scoring. That looks like this: Combining the two we get a breakdown of three time champs per era (I maintained the sort order based on all eras combined): Fourth Era (1979 - present, 10 weights, 8 AA's, first place < 30% of placement): It is Iowa's world, we all just live in it... For now (cough, PSU, cough). But PSU will fall farther back this year as two three timers become two four timers. OK State matters. Screw you Fresno State. Three three-timers in the modern era and you drop wrestling? For shame. Current three timers who WILL become four timers: Carter "StarRocky" Starocci, Aaron "Amen" Brooks Current two timers who WILL become three timers: Keegan "O'Funky" O'Toole

He did lose the chance to wrestle in his last NCAA tournament. I feel that guys who lost that year in general really get left out of a lot of conversations. I know it was a very tough/weird/unpleasant year for most of us but because they lost the post season it ruined the finishing accomplishments for a lot guys but probably him the most. We were all very anxious to see how that tournament was going to play out.

It is laughable and I feel bad for someone dumb enough to say the flow cannot be decreased greatly or stopped entirely. Either would be a better situation than doing nothing which is what someone on here appears dumb enough to say. mspart

Logical conclusions that go against one's belief cause pain. They don't want pain.

Connabon is actually a runny poached egg.

i'll tell you how to spin it - go to the grocery store.

Never better.

Can be delicious, but too many empty calories to enjoy on a daily basis.

You got me doubled Gimp, this will be 24 for me.

suck it, Vak. Biden campaigned on open borders. then you voted for him. then he undid all the policies in place. cry about it. he gave you exactly what you asked for. but hey, at least you finally admit there's a border problem. five minutes ago y'all dems said it was a myth perpetuated by us crazy people on the right despite their being videos (and data) every single day. i would say 'that's progress' but you're still making excuses for the scumbags in congress and will invariably voted D all the way down the ballot again.

For anyone thinking about going, I can't recommend it enough. Great time, basically a wrestling festival.

You won't understand.

If we ignore matches against backups, redshirts, and wrestlers from other divisions, the ratings change as follows: Net Rank Wrestler 1 Eric Barnett 2 Matt Ramos 3 Jore Volk 4 Nico Provo 5 Noah Surtin 6 Drake Ayala 7 Tanner Jordan 8 Caleb Smith 9 Luke Stanich 10 Cooper Flynn 11 Troy Spratley 12 Braeden Davis 13 Michael DeAugustino 14 Brett Ungar 15 Brandon Kaylor 16 Jett Strickenberger 17 Kysen Terukina 18 Ethan Berginc 19 Anthony Noto 20 Jack Maida 21 Blake West 22 Drew West 23 Dean Peterson 24 Stevo Poulin 25 Anthony Molton 26 Patrick McKee 27 Diego Sotelo 28 Tyler Klinsky 29 Brendan McCrone 30 Brayden Palmer 31 Dylan Acevedo-Switzer 32 Jakob Camacho 33 Eli Griffin 34 Spencer Moore 35 Conrad Hendriksen 36 Jeremiah Reno 37 Joey Fischer 38 Drew Heethuis 39 Tristan Lujan 40 Jared Brunner 41 Richie Figueroa 42 Jake Ice 43 Trever Anderson 44 Carlos Negrete 45 Max Gallagher 46 Colton Camacho 47 Dominic Mendez 48 Tucker Owens 49 Chad Bellis 50 Nick Babin 51 Benjamin Aranda 52 Kyle Montaperto 53 Justin Cardani 54 Damion Ryan 55 Sean Spidle 56 Kevin Lopez 57 Richard Castro-Sandoval 58 Dayton DelViscio 59 Massey Odiotti 60 Trenton Dominguez 61 Yusief Lillie 62 Owen Bell 63 Carson Wagner 64 Davian Guanajuato 65 Desmond Pleasant 66 JB Dragovich 67 Max Elton 68 Tommy Capul 69 Robbie Sagaris 70 Blaine Frazier 71 Eric Howe 72 Logan Agin 73 Malik Hardy 74 Enis Ljikovic 75 Ryan Meek 76 Caleb Edwards 77 Austin Kegley 78 Tony Burke 79 Daniel Graham 80 Bronson Garber 81 Adan Benavidez

While Jore Volk was busy losing to one of South Dakota State's many Tanners.

A better response I could not have given. It's not that he couldn't understand, it's that he won't. mspart

Perhaps that is correct. What you have heard is that it has never gotten to the level to affect an election. And who is the judge of that when there are no investigations into it. And with no investigations, it is easy to say there is no evidence for widespread vote fraud. See how that works? mspart

Excellent question. Higher wages could indicate a strong economy... but increased unpaid credit card debt indicates a lousy economy. At the end of 2021, 39% of credit card holders carried debt from month to month. That jumped to 47% in 2023 per Bankrate. According to TransUnion, the number of Americans missing payments increased, and the average credit card balance is the highest in a decade at $6,000. The price of used pinball machines is dropping because there is less demand for the high-cost supply. The product is not moving... I heard the IKEA CEO talk about reducing prices to stimulate consumption and help with profit.

Inflation causes things to cost more to make. So to keep the prices the same, you get to purchase less of a product for the same money. Or you get to pay more for the same amount of product. Inflation 101. mspart

Only in your mind. Trump had the border under control. By any measure Biden has the border completely out of control. So anyone with logic can put 2 and 2 together and figure this out unless they don't want to. mspart

Biden is also on record saying he will close the border if the new bill passes IF the border gets overwhelmed. So why pass a new bill? Apparently the border is not overwhelmed now. He could close the border at any time by enforcing current law. He is being disingenuous. mspart

All times listed are Eastern. Thursday, February 1: The Citadel at Chattanooga 5:00 PM Clarion at Lock Haven 7:00 PM PSAC Digital Network South Dakota State at Wyoming 8:00 PM FloWrestling Friday, February 2: Columbia at Cornell 6:30 PM ESPN+ Ohio State at Penn State 6:30 PM Big Ten Network Appalachian State at Campbell 7:00 PM UFC FightPass Bellarmine at Davidson 7:00 PM FloWrestling Pittsburgh at Duke 7:00 PM ACC Network Extra Virginia Tech at Virginia 7:00 PM ACC Network Extra Lock Haven at Navy 7:30 PM Navy Athletics YouTube LIU at Franklin & Marshall 8:00 PM Centennial Conference Digital Network Michigan State at Illinois 8:00 PM B1G+ West Virginia at Iowa State 8:00 PM ESPN+ Maryland at Minnesota 8:00 PM B1G+ Arizona State at Oklahoma State 8:00 PM ESPN+ North Dakota State at Utah Valley 8:00 PM GoUVU YouTube Northwestern at Wisconsin 8:00 PM B1G+ Iowa at Michigan 8:30 PM Big Ten Network North Carolina at NC State 8:30 PM ACC Network Saturday, February 3: Binghamton, Cleveland State, Edinboro, Hofstra at Edinboro Open 9:00 AM Lindenwood at Missouri Valley Open 10:00 AM Chattanooga at Gardner-Webb 12:00 PM ESPN+ Princeton at Harvard 12:00 PM ESPN+ Sacred Heart at Bloomsburg 1:00 PM PSAC Digital Network Penn at Brown 1:00 PM ESPN+ Northern Illinois at Buffalo 1:00 PM ESPN+ Cal Poly at Little Rock 1:00 PM Little Rock Sports Network Rider at Drexel 2:00 PM FloWrestling VMI at Presbyterian 2:00 PM California Baptist at Air Force 3:00 PM FloWrestling Kent State at Bloomsburg 3:00 PM PSAC Digital Network Bucknell at Navy 7:30 PM ESPN+ South Dakota State at Utah Valley 8:00 PM GoUVU YouTube Sunday, February 4: Bellarmine, SIU Edwardsville at Greyhound Open (Indianapolis) 10:00 AM Drexel vs. Morgan State at American 11:00 AM ESPN+ Penn at Harvard 12:00 PM ESPN+ Michigan State at Indiana 12:00 PM Big Ten Network Drexel at American 1:00 PM ESPN+ Princeton at Brown 1:00 PM Bucknell at Columbia 1:00 PM ESPN+ Rider at George Mason 1:00 PM ESPN+ Wisconsin at Purdue 1:00 PM B1G+ Ohio State at Rutgers 1:00 PM B1G+ VMI at Appalachian State 2:00 PM AppState Sports YouTube Lehigh at Army West Point 2:00 PM Army WP Athletics YouTube Gardner-Webb at Campbell 2:00 PM Campbell Mall Ohio at Central Michigan 2:00 PM ESPN+ Northwestern at Minnesota 2:00 PM Big Ten Network Oklahoma State at Missouri 2:00 PM FloWrestling Bellarmine at The Citadel 2:00 PM ESPN+ Morgan State at American 3:00 PM ESPN+ Oregon State at Arizona State 3:00 PM Pac-12 Oregon Illinois at Nebraska 3:00 PM B1G+ West Virginia at Northern Iowa 3:00 PM FloWrestling North Dakota State at Wyoming 3:00 PM FloWrestling CSU Bakersfield at Stanford 7:00 PM Pac-12 Stanford

I have not eaten breakfast since mid November and I've only eaten lunch twice in that time span. I'm more of a dinner-only kind of guy. Black coffee and water are more than enough to get through the day

Anything beyond stopping illegal immigration and fast-tracked return-home paths for those illegals who entered the USA is dead on arrival. Now, how many years of entry before 2023 do we want to deport illegals? 5 years? 8 years? At what cutoff will we grandfather birthright citizenship and end the misinterpreted policy? 2020?

If the Glazier incident is any indication of Ferrari's striking accuracy, Herb Dean may need to work on his head movement.

Mike Tyson begs to differ.

No one is disrespecting Carr by hoping for the biggest match in NCAA history. He's great. This thread is about if KOT wins and Starocci wins, at no point did anyone call Carr a bum or even disparage his chances, we are literally saying if. So enough crying.

I don’t think I’ll go this year. I’m very familiar with KC, so that’s not a draw for me, though I think it will be great for newbies. Festivals aren’t really my scene anymore, be they music, art, or wrestling. Friends and family gather at my brother’s house (8 bedrooms) and watch on a variety of TV’s. Gone are the days when if you didn’t go, you missed matches. No hotel costs and better food. Ticket prices have increased over 500% since I started going while simultaneously watching every match from a comfy couch is dang near free. it’s an awesome experience and I recommend it highly, but for me the queues, crowds, drunks, potential weather, and Iowa fans (not you, Vak), tilt the scales in favor of skipping it.

Well done! I take it you are at least 55 years old.

In the Penn State v. Ohio State match, the most interesting match is probably Bartlett vs Mendez. This is so unpredictable. I'm going to lean on Bartlett wrestling a lot like a better Cole Matthews. Bartlett will win 4-1, which for him is like a tech fall. It'll be a takedown with 5 seconds left, which is a lot of time left for Beau. Next most interesting - Bouzakis will try to go big on Nagao while Nagao is doing his dangerous rolly-poly antics. If Bouzakis can catch him, he'll win. If he can't, he'll be on the bottom with two legs in getting hit with that always hilarious stall call when a leg rider has his opponent flattened, face planted, eating the short curly hairs off of the mat. The ref says "I need to see a little more out of you, bottom" while he's having the worst moment of his life and multiple cameras filming it. Tell me a funnier thing in this sport - you can't. To continue to rank the most interesting - Feldman is on an upswing, but he's probably going to get run over by Sleepy DanGreg Kerkfleet. Kerk will take his night cap off, put down his cuddly teddy bear, lumber on out to the mat of proceed to catch Feldman's legs from about 8 feet away somehow. Braeden Davis will probably walk over McCrone and never crack a smile. Who else has a chip on their shoulder on Penn State's roster? Carter is the only other one. Kasak is really good, and I don't think we've fully seen it yet. D'Emilio doesn't strike me as a good litmus test. Kasak could win or lose, and I won't feel like I know where he ends up. D'Emilio is just too tough to read as to where he stands. He's 18-6? Nobody wrestles that much anymore, unfortunately. He's probably wearing down, not building up. Or David Evans will come out to the mat, and everything I just said still applies. Mitch will push for a tech. Did somebody call him a name? He wrestles like somebody talked trash about him or his mom, or something. Levi is going to have his "break out performance" of 2024 and show us that he was starting slow intentionally. Getting ready to peak for NCAAs. Bernard will spam sweep singles until one or three of them stick. StarRocky (no space) will give Welsh nothing to smile about, which is convenient since he doesn't ever smile jsut like Braeden Davis. Brooks will says his morning prayers, may be with Cael, and let the fire of the Lord run through his veins and fuel him to as many bonus points as he wants. I don't know anything. I'm a complete moron, but I feel better now having posted this. Thanks for listening.

Boggles my mind how people hold onto the whole 'Cornell lawyer' arguement from close to 5 years ago as a reason to not like Cornell by a coach that isn't even there anymore ... Feels like the same kind of people that are mad when they show Taylor Swift on tv during a football game for 3 seconds.... Anyway, I thought the film was great and hard not to like the guys that are all in it, all seemingly real and genuine human beings that care for each other. Love them in Greys' parents' basement before final x working out and shooting the shit which reminds me of my days with teammates in high school... last but not least, I love what a family feel our sport has and how deep the relationships between coaches and athletes run.

I don’t remember exactly either but I’d agree. Dake/Taylor seemed to be more hyped than Dean/Nickal, but that may have been in part because Dean was expected to win. Nickal was just a sophomore with no titles yet. O’Toole going for his 4th vs Starocci going for his 5th would absolutely be the most anticipated NCAA match of all-time, easily.

What if Gabe Arnold takes them both out

I thought this was going to be about how handsome you thought he was.

Ben said on FRL that once mocco graduates keegan will move up to 174. I dont know if thats just his assumption or if they have talked about it. I would assume he will try and enter the 4x champ category especially since its still only his 5th year since he did not redshirt.

Who's gonna be there?

i sincerely think anyone that votes democrat has a screw loose and looks at politics (and votes) on the side-show that it is and not the policies they endorse. Rashida Tlaib and Cori Bush just voted against a ban on Hamas being allowed to enter the U.S.

It's also worth noting that there ARE Republicans trying to work on this issue. James Lankford is among the most conservative members of either house of Congress by voting record, and he's out here explaining how these changes to law and policy are needed, but because Donald Trump has said he wants it to fail to enhance his campaign, many people of that political persuasion are perfectly comfortable with it. Literally choosing party over country.

A tall task for sure.

Trumble beat the guy who beat Macchiavello at the same Zegrab tournament. The next week, Macchiavello beat Jackson. I don't see how he beats Cox, let alone Snyder. That said, his international results are pretty legit the last six months...

I am such an idiot. I confused Trumble with Aiello at senior nats because I was in too much of a hurry to fire off a joke about eating Cox.

Keegan is coming back and going 174. Ben has said several times the main reason he isn't there already is because it would kick Peyton Mocco (his best friend) out of the lineup.

Is currently redshirting the season to focus on the U.S. Olympic Trials. • Qualified for the U.S. Olympic Trials in Albania in October of 2023. His 97 kg title at the U23 World Championships secured his place. His first-ever international tournament brought a 4-0 weekend over, including tech falls for his last three bouts. 2022-23 • Runner-up at the 2022 World Team Trials at 92 kg. Started with a pin over former World Team member Downey in his first bout. Then in the semifinals, he reversed a loss and took out top seed and U.S. Open champion Caffey of Michigan State with an 11-0 tech. Trumble fell in the final series to Nate Jackson. • Runner-up at the 2022 U.S. Open at 92 kg. Started as the top seed with a 10-0 tech. In the semifinals, downed UNC’s Shaw 15-4 before falling to Michigan State’s Caffey in the final, 11-7. • Finished 2nd at ACC’s after being defeated by Pitt’s Nino Bonacconsi 2-1.

Because there is history there. Your opinion is noted and I don't necessarily disagree. That said, what I said is how I think it happens IF it happens.

The sad truth is, it'll depend on how much NIL money he can get. I don't think Starocci makes the 2024 Olympic team. An NIL payday at PSU might be his best option, plus being a 5-timer (if he gets it done) will give his MMA/WWE stock a huge boost.

But why is the real question? You think that would somehow matter to Starocci?

It's like he's given up...

Amine isn’t in the same universe as Carter Starocci. Mike Amine should just STFU. Cam Amine shoudn't be mentioned in the same thread as Starocci. The only remotely comparable people are KOT and Carter's own teammate, Aaron Brooks. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Minnesota had 7 wrestlers transfer this off-season that are currently starting on their new team... Spratley (OSU), Nagao (PSU), Jamison (OSU), Polanco (Pur), Lee (IND), Carlson (OU), Kluever (Hof). Michigan had 5 All-Americans transfer in, and yet Minnesota still has a higher ranked dual team. #Development