Rank 184

[Antitroll2828]

10 hours ago, nhs67 said:

1 - Ferrari

2 - Sinclair

3 - McEnelly

4 - Welsh

5 - Fishback

6 - Mantanona

7 - Allred

8 - Ryder

9 - Smith

I think you give Ryder benefit of the doubt in the Cornell match.

Ryder lost to Allred who lost to Mantanona whose only loss is to Sinclair.Mantanona should be above Ryder and Allred 

Also why would you give him the benefit of the doubt? He lost to unranked guy who then lost to an unranked guy his next match. Ryder is 2-3 and in theory both of those unranked guys should be ahead of him 

[nhs67]

18 minutes ago, VakAttack said:

I disagree on it being negative wrestling, especially since he creates offense from there.  But if they call him for stalling, he'll just adjust.  It's what we see him do every time he faces adversity.

 

29 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

I don’t think it’s stalling if he’s actually creating shots from there

4-2 VS Ryder
3-2 VS Sinclair (OT)
4-1 VS Fishback (OT)

That is creating offense for you?

[nhs67]

11 minutes ago, Antitroll2828 said:

Ryder lost to Allred who lost to Mantanona whose only loss is to Sinclair.Mantanona should be above Ryder and Allred 

Also why would you give him the benefit of the doubt? He lost to unranked guy who then lost to an unranked guy his next match. Ryder is 2-3 and in theory both of those unranked guys should be ahead of him 

He beat Jaxon Smith at the ASC in a very convincing manner.

If you read what I put... I had him Ryder behind Allred who was behind Mantanona.

[Antitroll2828]

3 minutes ago, nhs67 said:

He beat Jaxon Smith at the ASC in a very convincing manner.

If you read what I put... I had him Ryder behind Allred who was behind Mantanona.

Completely missed Mantanona on that list my bad…that being said the All star is an exhibition match that doesn’t even register on wrestlestat I don’t think that should hold more weight then losing to an unranked guy at the duals 

[nhs67]

8 minutes ago, Antitroll2828 said:

Completely missed Mantanona on that list my bad…that being said the All star is an exhibition match that doesn’t even register on wrestlestat I don’t think that should hold more weight then losing to an unranked guy at the duals 

Flo, Intermat, and CWR all use it for their rankings.

Did you watch the match against Cornell?  That wasn't a match.

Edited November 17, 2025 by nhs67

[VakAttack]

15 minutes ago, nhs67 said:

 

4-2 VS Ryder
3-2 VS Sinclair (OT)
4-1 VS Fishback (OT)

That is creating offense for you?

Yes, it is hard to score against high level opponents.  He's shooting from that position and getting to legs and wrestlers are getting to his legs.

[nhs67]

8 minutes ago, VakAttack said:

Yes, it is hard to score against high level opponents.  He's shooting from that position and getting to legs and wrestlers are getting to his legs.

He wasn't shooting, though.

Not in those matches.

Now, he was controlling center pretty well.  I will give him that.  Not the entire matches, but for a good part of it.

[Gene Mills Fan]

Arent 125 and 133 lbers doing the same thing?

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

33 minutes ago, Gene Mills Fan said:

Arent 125 and 133 lbers doing the same thing?

and 165

[Caveira]

43 minutes ago, nhs67 said:

He wasn't shooting, though.

Not in those matches.

Now, he was controlling center pretty well.  I will give him that.  Not the entire matches, but for a good part of it.

Is it like putting your arm behind your back isn’t stalling stalling?   Or that super powerful offensive ankle ride?  

[nhs67]

1 hour ago, Caveira said:

Is it like putting your arm behind your back isn’t stalling stalling?   Or that super powerful offensive ankle ride?  

The ankle ride is stalling.  No question about it.

Just like Caliendo was called for it against Locket.

The arm behind the back was also stalling on RBY's part, yes.

[nhs67]

1 hour ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

and 165

Locket stalled roughly 1/3rd of the time the match was in neutral against Caliendo.

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

9 minutes ago, nhs67 said:

Locket stalled roughly 1/3rd of the time the match was in neutral against Caliendo.

My thoughts exactly.  And another 1/3 of the time was spent trying to influence the officials.

Edited November 17, 2025 by Interviewed_at_Weehawken

[Tyler]

14 hours ago, The_KC_Godfather said:

How does Welsh move ahead of Ferrari after an undefeated weekend where he beat Sinclair and Ryder? Maybe if Rocco was there we could’ve declared a number 1. Your HC avoiding high level competition doesn’t grant you the number one spot. Sorry.

High level competition? Weren’t 7 of their starters just wrestling in the U23 worlds a few weeks ago lol

[nhs67]

1 minute ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

My thoughts exactly.  And another 1/3 of the time was spent trying to influence the officials.

Nah.  Whistle was dead when he was doing that.  Doesn't count.  At least not in my timeline.

1 minute ago, Tyler said:

High level competition? Weren’t 7 of their starters just wrestling in the U23 worlds a few weeks ago lol

Also doesn't count for Folkstyle.  You can compare certain aspects, but Welsh against Jaxon Smith, for example?  In two matches, Jaxon Smith got the only takedown that would be considered a takedown in Folkstyle.  Rest were stepout or activity points aside for a 4pt move by Welsh that wouldn't have been worth anything in Folkstyle.

[Caveira]

15 minutes ago, nhs67 said:

The arm behind the back was also stalling on RBY's part, yes.

This arm behind the back was called ?   When?

 

The ankle stall ride was called against caliendo sure.  But the offensive juggernaut 5x er how often?   Only bringing up your 5x offensive juggernaut as you put 184 ncaa freshmen title contenders “lack of offense” on the table. 

Edited November 17, 2025 by Caveira

[nhs67]

1 minute ago, Caveira said:

This was called ?   The ankle stall ride was called against caliendo sure.  But the offensive juggernaut 5x er how often?   Only bringing up your 5x offensive juggernaut as you put 184 ncaa freshmen title contenders “lack of offense” on the table. 

Who is my 5x offensive juggernaught?

You still not reading good, are you?  There seems to be something that you want to conveniently ignore, because it must disappoint you so:  I am not a Penn State fan.  I wrestled for Michigan in the 1980s.

Just like in the other thread(s?), you're being an ignorant, bitter little prince.

[nhs67]

4 minutes ago, Caveira said:

This was called ?   The ankle stall ride was called against caliendo sure.  But the offensive juggernaut 5x er how often?   Only bringing up your 5x offensive juggernaut as you put 184 ncaa freshmen title contenders “lack of offense” on the table. 

Also, was RBY called?  Nope.  I think he should have been.  Wasn't, though.

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

13 minutes ago, nhs67 said:

Nah.  Whistle was dead when he was doing that.  Doesn't count.  At least not in my timeline.

 

Watch again. 

https://www.flowrestling.org/video/14774343-165-lbs-semis-3rd-wb-16-team-michael-caliendo-iowa-vs-ladarion-lockett-oklahoma-state

6:45 ish.  There may be other examples, but this one stood out.

[Pinnacle]

27 minutes ago, Caveira said:

This arm behind the back was called ?   When?

 

Iowa fans always thought that was stalling, but no refs ever agreed with them. 

Edited November 17, 2025 by Pinnacle

[Perry]

15 hours ago, The_KC_Godfather said:

Sucks to say it because I thought Ryder would have done a lot better this weekend, but it’s early and I like DT’s approach that “it’s early and he’s young”. He’ll have him ready by March.

1) Ferrari

2) Welsh

3) Sinclair

4) McEnelly

5) Fishback

6-8) Alred/Dean/Ryder

This is the list imo

[Caveira]

20 minutes ago, Pinnacle said:

 

Iowa fans always thought that was stalling, but no refs ever agreed with them. 

NHs67 agrees it was stalling 

[Pinnacle]

2 minutes ago, Caveira said:

NHs67 agrees it was stalling 

Too bad for Iowa fans he was never able to call it during an RBY win over Desanto cause then maybe Austin could have won on the strength of that kind of call. 

[Gene Mills Fan]

1 hour ago, nhs67 said:

The ankle ride is stalling.  No question about it.

Just like Caliendo was called for it against Locket.

The arm behind the back was also stalling on RBY's part, yes.

Lockett was doing nothing so Caliendo was doing nothing.  Locket was on all fours not trying to improve. Hardly lifted his hands off the mat.  He didn't know who to call but the ankle ride is visible while Locket saving energy is subjective. 

[The_KC_Godfather]

53 minutes ago, Tyler said:

High level competition? Weren’t 7 of their starters just wrestling in the U23 worlds a few weeks ago lol

And any unfavorable results at the “high level competition” worlds don’t affect NCAA rankings or future seeds like they would at this event.