Massoma Endene

[Gene Mills Fan]

Are there contractual agreements in NIL's?  I am not informed or have had the wish to be.

Edited January 14 by Gene Mills Fan

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

6 minutes ago, BAC said:

 

 (Unless Endene was sitting out in protest of not receiving promised NIL bucks, but I don't hear anyone saying that.) 

I DID read that he was sitting out for this reason. From an unreliable, but very loud source.

They already have faced criticism for throwing guys out there when they ought to be healing up (e.g. Spencer Lee), 

Wait! I thought Lee didn't wrestle enough! It is hard to get the various haters' arguments straight!

Edited January 14 by Interviewed_at_Weehawken

[Hammerlock3]

3 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

 (Unless Endene was sitting out in protest of not receiving promised NIL bucks, but I don't hear anyone saying that.) 

I DID read that he was sitting out for this reason. From an unreliable, but very loud source.

They already have faced criticism for throwing guys out there when they ought to be healing up (e.g. Spencer Lee), 

Wait! I thought Lee didn't wrestle enough! It is hard to get the various haters' arguments straight!

the amount of takes on this subject that aren't just hot or bad, but outright nonsensical is amazing. 

[jchapman]

Brands has been around wrestling for several decades.  If he was a racist it would have come out by now.

[BAC]

24 minutes ago, Mr. PeanutButter said:

Stop it with the Lee narrative. Lee made the decision to come back when he did. The rest of the post is decent

Also Lee: "I do whatever Brands tells me to do."  Repeated in almost every interview, ad nauseum.

Not going to relitigate this, but it's a cop out to say that it was Lee's decision, when everyone knows he was following Brands' advice. He's loyal and fully trusted Brands to do right by him, and not right only by the Iowa program and its staff. If he didn't, he'd be seen as disloyal, and regarded as such by Brands. 

Certainly the current Iowa roster will get that message loud and clear, if the report is true about Endene's expulsion being driven by his being too slow to return from injury.

[Mr. PeanutButter]

2 minutes ago, BAC said:

Also Lee: "I do whatever Brands tells me to do."  Repeated in almost every interview, ad nauseum.

Not going to relitigate this, but it's a cop out to say that it was Lee's decision, when everyone knows he was following Brands' advice. He's loyal and fully trusted Brands to do right by him, and not right only by the Iowa program and its staff. If he didn't, he'd be seen as disloyal, and regarded as such by Brands. 

Certainly the current Iowa roster will get that message loud and clear, if the report is true about Endene's expulsion being driven by his being too slow to return from injury.

Nah. I'm a huge Lee homer and have watched all his available interviews. His senior year he reiterated it was his decision to come back AND he made the call to come back the prior year (the year he did one dual in January and then took the medical). Brands has said the same. I'll trust Lee and Brands over you on this.

[BAC]

6 minutes ago, Mr. PeanutButter said:

Nah. I'm a huge Lee homer and have watched all his available interviews. His senior year he reiterated it was his decision to come back AND he made the call to come back the prior year (the year he did one dual in January and then took the medical). Brands has said the same. I'll trust Lee and Brands over you on this.

Except I'm not disagreeing with you that it was Lee's final decision. Of course it was. I'm saying his decision was driven by Brands' advice and Lee's loyalty to Brands. When you have a thoroughbred like Lee, who'd take the mat with his shoulder dangling by a tendon, it's your job as a coach to protect your athlete, not let him grind himself into a pulp.  I'm a Lee fan too, and because of that I'm ticked that his international career is apt to be a shadow of what it could have been because of what Iowa/Brands allowed to happen to him.

[WrestlingRash]

1 hour ago, BAC said:

Pyles posted a video (here) saying Endene was told on Monday that he wasn't on the team.  No additional detail, but that seems to rule out the idea it was Endene-initiated. (Unless it was retaliation for Endene sitting out in protest of not receiving promised NIL bucks, but I don't hear anyone saying that.) 

This also is consistent with what TNWrestling's source said. I'm taking it with a grain of salt, but if it's true it was about Endene's injury management and failure to come back as soon as Iowa would prefer, that's a VERY bad look for Brands/Iowa. They already have faced criticism for throwing guys out there when they ought to be healing up (e.g. Spencer Lee), and they're already at risk of developing a rep for kicking guys off the team without thinking it through (e.g. Arnold) and for poor communication and misunderstandings in general (e.g. Bassett). If it's true that Endene's NIL benefactor had any influence over the timing of a return from injury, that's an even worse look. 

Not saying Iowa/Brands are at fault for Endene or these other situations, but I have a hunch that when/if all the facts come out, it'll be apparent that Brands could have handled it better.

 

tnwrestling is a rube from tennessee. Iowa doesn't have anyone on their roster from tennessee. tnwrestling doesn't have a clue about college wrestling and doesn't have a source other than some random twitter post he read while he was supposed to be working. don't put any stock in what that clown says. 

[headshuck]

The PED pop is the most realistic story....and its gonna get shouted down because we know Cael would have covered it up.

The Wartburg guy throwing us off the scent?

[Fletcher]

2 hours ago, Hammerlock3 said:

The PED pop is the most realistic story....and its gonna get shouted down because we know Cael would have covered it up.

I doubt it. I can't remember the last time a wrestler got busted by the NCAA for roids in-season. We've heard about WADA busts and busts for recreational drugs, but not random busts by the NCAA.

In fact, I never even hear about football players getting busted by NCAA for roids and I'm sure they're even more rampant in football than wrestling.

[Fletcher]

5 hours ago, The_KC_Godfather said:

I don't buy Brock Rathbun's post...Brands may be crazy, but he's not "kick the #4 wrestler in the country off the team for no reason" crazy. There's a reason he's gone.

The NIL money piece seems to be the central theme. Did Mo go back and say "Hey, I've proved myself and ranked #4...pay me more or I'll leave"? Did Iowa promise something with NIL that they didn't deliver and Mo didn't read the fine print? Did the checkbook run out? Brands seemed PO'd when he announced it, so might've been the first one.

Either way, best of luck to Mo in whatever he does next. And congrats on becoming a father!

I'm no expert on NIL, but I believe the NCAA doesn't allow these payments to be tied to performance. They have to keep up the illusion that pay is for name/image/likeness only. I don't know if this rule applies to revenue sharing money or not (or if Mo even gets revenue sharing from the school).

[TNwrestling]

49 minutes ago, WrestlingRash said:

tnwrestling is a rube from tennessee. Iowa doesn't have anyone on their roster from tennessee. tnwrestling doesn't have a clue about college wrestling and doesn't have a source other than some random twitter post he read while he was supposed to be working. don't put any stock in what that clown says. 

wait til you find out that one of the two head coaches coached in tennessee.....

[BAC]

12 minutes ago, TNwrestling said:

wait til you find out that one of the two head coaches coached in tennessee.....

That's worth an LOL right there. :]

[JimmyCinnabon]

44 minutes ago, Fletcher said:

I doubt it. I can't remember the last time a wrestler got busted by the NCAA for roids in-season. We've heard about WADA busts and busts for recreational drugs, but not random busts by the NCAA.

In fact, I never even hear about football players getting busted by NCAA for roids and I'm sure they're even more rampant in football than wrestling.

The NCAA couldn't find their as*hole with both hands tied behind their back.

[bnwtwg]

2 hours ago, Gene Mills Fan said:

Are there contractual agreements in NIL's?  I am not informed or have had the wish to be.

That's a hot legal topic. There is currently a case regarding a Georgia football player that will likely be the next piece of legal-NCAA guidance.

https://www.laborandemploymentlawcounsel.com/2025/12/when-nil-deals-hit-the-transfer-portal-ugaa-v-wilson-and-what-universities-need-to-know/#:~:text=Wilson signed an NIL agreement,or entered the transfer portal.

[BarSeries]

 

 

[Hilton Head Joe]

3 hours ago, Hammerlock3 said:

The PED pop is the most realistic story....and its gonna get shouted down because we know Cael would have covered it up.

THIS! Something isn't adding up. The density of muscle on him is insane! 

[Fred]

5 hours ago, Coastal said:

For pointing something out?

Simple questions:

How many black starters does Iowa have and how many wrestled at the Soldier Salute?

How many white starters does Iowa have and how many wrestled at the Soldier Salute?

I’ve been a casual college wrestling fan for 7 years or so, and I have no idea why psu fans (or at least the bandwagon jumping variety) are so obsessed with Iowa and take cheap shots at every turn. 

[Antitroll2828]

2 minutes ago, Fred said:

I’ve been a casual college wrestling fan for 7 years or so, and I have no idea why psu fans (or at least the bandwagon jumping variety) are so obsessed with Iowa and take cheap shots at every turn. 

Maybe you should go check out the Iowa forum where they accuse Penn state of juicing , illegally paying wrestlers and cheating every single day for the past 10 years 

[Fred]

3 minutes ago, Antitroll2828 said:

Maybe you should go check out the Iowa forum where they accuse Penn state of juicing , illegally paying wrestlers and cheating every single day for the past 10 years 

Why don’t you take it up with them there? Or spew your vitriol on the psu forum?This is a general college wrestling forum.

[Fred]

You’d think, given all the success of their current favorite team, they’d be a little magnanimous.

[WrestlingRash]

1 hour ago, TNwrestling said:

wait til you find out that one of the two head coaches coached in tennessee.....

21 years ago.... and you are now claiming your source heard it from Terry LOL you are a total fool. 

[TNwrestling]

20 minutes ago, WrestlingRash said:

21 years ago.... and you are now claiming your source heard it from Terry LOL you are a total fool. 

Give me an exact quote where I said my source was Terry...I'll wait...

 

I'm not sure how many times i can say it....do us all a favor and delete your account

[WrestlingRash]

4 minutes ago, TNwrestling said:

Give me an exact quote where I said my source was Terry...I'll wait...

 

I'm not sure how many times i can say it....do us all a favor and delete your account

you said that Terry used to coach in Tennessee. so you are claiming your source is someone that Terry shared news with? loose lips sink ships, and Terry didn't tell your drinking buddy anything. you are a pathetic hanger on with no business talking about wrestling. go for a run and put down your daytime beer. 

[TNwrestling]

Just now, WrestlingRash said:

you said that Terry used to coach in Tennessee. so you are claiming your source is someone that Terry shared news with? loose lips sink ships, and Terry didn't tell your drinking buddy anything. you are a pathetic hanger on with no business talking about wrestling. go for a run and put down your daytime beer. 

nope, all i said was that tom used to coach in tennessee when you claimed there aren't any iowa ties to tennessee. you came to your own conclusions. 

 

do us all a favor and delete your account.