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Mine is pretty close minus Maroulis. Big B, Burroughs, Smith, Snyder. Bruce made 14 teams. Snyder 12. Medaled in 13 of 14! Snyder 11 of 12! To break all records Snyder will have to wrestle into the 2032 cycle. Can Snyder's body hold up that long???

Agree don't want to leave him off just yet. But Snyder and Dake if their bodies hold up could over take him. Then the age old discussion of Smith over Bruce. Then I have got to go with Bruce. Smith has one more gold and 7 less medals. As a business guy I gotta go with Bruce. Snyder and even Dake are talking trash about wrestling through 2032. Big B wrestled from 1982-1996. 15 world teams and 13 medals during those years on senior circuit. Snyder just made his 12th team? So he would have to wrestle into the 2032 cycle. I know he wants to. Talks like he will wrestle until his legs break apart!

I get why people think Smith's run is the greatest ever. But if we are talking GOAT 1987-1992 is not going to cut it. Sorry John. Longevity in my opinion should be a major category which eliminates Smith from the discussion in my opinion. If the Golds are close. Bruce has 5. 13 freaking medals is just insane. Snyder is about to challenge Big Bruce in the longevity category. I can't imagine Snyder going after 2028 but if he does go to 2032 then he will surpass Big Bruce probably. Can his body hold up? In the business world top performing longevity is king way over a few great years. Dake is just too old to be GOAT probably. I was just arguing in the Heavyweight boxing world about Klitsko vs Tyson. Klitsko held title longer than anyone 11/12 years vs Tyson who wrecked people for 3 years. Debate goes on forever

I get why people think Smith's run is the greatest ever. Longevity in my opinion should be a major category which eliminates Smith from the discussion in my opinion. Snyder is about to challenge Big Bruce in the longevity category. I can't imagine Snyder going after 2028 but if he does go to 2032 then he will surpass Big Bruce. In the business world top performing longevity is king way over a few great years. Dake is just too old to be GOAT probably.

Big Bruce is actually first for me. Tied for most medals ever and 5 golds and Two Olympic titles. Only wrestler to ever be the main rep/flag bearer at the opening of the games. John Smith's career is too short for me for GOAT.

Injuries and drive? When you win Olympic Gold and beat Snyder and Saduleav what else is there. Beating Medved or Satiev's record? Some people dont wanna wrestle 5 cycles into their mid 30s in order to become GOAT. They wanna get on with their life.

How. Snyder. I have never seen anything like it. Not getting dominated but Yoshida was getting a slight advantage in all exchanges until last 30 seconds. And he is young/stamina and appeared slightly stronger and faster. Brain fart by Yoshida but also the biggest ice in veins moment I have ever seen in world or Olympic final. Maybe Gable S got it beat but dang. Kyle on his way to being our greatest ever. Best bracket run in american history.

Ya I like that better. I really think Sealey can beat Kasak. Will be fun start of year!

Well ya. But in elite wrestling circles one year holdback is pretty standard. But James is a normal aged graduating senior, actually a few months younger than average. Teh average age to turn 18 is March of your senior year and James is on the younger side!!!

Dang he is an anomaly. That is surely young enough to get 6. Grey then 5. If I were Cael I would do it. This kid could be a undefeated 5 timer. Probably would lose a few this year.

Not sure when James's bday is but it must be late for this to work. He must still be 18 at start of semester. Amazing he is this good this young.

Not if he didnt officially enroll. Looks like this was the plan all along most likely.

He will now just hang out at the NLWC for a year. Only really young guys can do this. Cornell and some other Ivies were doing it alot. So he will be off the roster this year.

So the middle weights are? 157 Kasak/Sealey/Duke...leaning Duke....this is stupid 165 Mes 174 Cunn/Henckel...Fav Cunn? James would have been here?

Still means 5 for 5 if you are really young or a normal aged kid with a bit of a late birthday.

Couple other sources say James will grey shirt meaning he is truly young and will get 6 years kinda. But will sit this year. So what does there lineup look like now?

This current class of wrestlers is the best the USA has ever produced by far as far as depth. And results to since around 2018 until now. In order to reach these kind of levels it takes living breathing everything wrestling all the time since you were like 5. It is making a lot of these kids weird and crazy.

Very unfair. Apologies. I just see it all the time all over the place. My best friends son decommited from a top D1 school. Every aspect of life was wrestling all the time. Then just pop! Carter was just a higher profile name. Nothing against him or his dad at all. Don't know them very well but saw them everywhere growing up. Didnt't mean to get off on mental health stuff. Was more concerned about the transfer every year culture these days!

Didn't know that. He is my 3 kids age I just remember him dominating and then he just disappeared. Most guys don't come back when they break like that. Good for him. Guessing family pressure. How many Neves brothers are there? Probably was alot of pressure on him from dad. Usually it is dad. I see it all the time. Just three schools in first three years. Was just curious to what causes that. Most people want a little stability.

But 5 6 to 6 3. The others gained without any growth in height. Dake is a very small 189 lb guy though.

But still. Three schools in your first 3 years. Crazy.

He won Ironman & National Preps pretty easily in 2024. He was very legit. Top recruit by Ohio State. Then left for UTC. Then he abruptly retires from wrestling after one week at practice last year at UTC. Is stuff like this common? Three schools in under 3 years. AJ gets a bad rap. Lots of kids doing this. Something got to change with this. If we hear about the top guys doing this imagine what the mid tier guys are doing.

Same with Haines. He is to small also but will be in his prime and with his skill he could be our rep. Zahid is perfect sized 86k. This matters internationally.

What he did last year was one of the best performances ever. After a long time to get there he probably celebrated for the first times in his life. I think he is our rep on 2028. Dake is to small and will be older.