Jouneyman Collegiate Duals pools

[Cornell Kevin]

I figured this out last month based on process of elimination and a # of different factors. I had thought I posted it on here already however I do not see it.  These pools have not been announced yet, but here they are 

Day 1 pools

Penn St-Stanford-NDSU

Cornell-Illinois-Little Rock

Ohio St-Iowa St-Lehigh

Day 2 will consist of 3 different pools as well.  The 2-0 teams from Day 1 in one pool, 1-1 teams in a pool, and finally the 0-2 teams in a pool.  

Cornell has half their team out first semester.  The way it works however (based on Foca and Ramirez last year) as they (Greg D, Ungar, Cornella, Fernandez, and Shapiro) will all be able to compete at the conclusion of the first semester.  They do not have to wait for the second semester to start. Last year, Foca and Ramirez were able to participate in the dual vs NC State at home which fell on Dec 20th. It is looking like barring any injuries, Cornell should be full strength for this event.  

I would favor Cornell full strength over Illinois.  This means quite possibly seeing Shapiro vs Kasak/Duke and Levi Haines vs Simon Ruiz.  A match that Haines needed a t defensive takedown in the final seconds to win 4-1 at NCAAs.  

 

What about that third pool I listed day 1?   

 

I figured this out by the way by first separating like conference teams. Then  Cornell and Little Rock accidentally put the teams they were facing on their schedule they rolled out quite early prior to changing it to show “collegiate duals” rather than the teams they were to face. Then with Iowa St having Stanford on their schedule a week after this event, and Cornell having Lehigh…everything fell into place as is.  

 

I created the graphic below for our BEG show we aired a few weeks ago 

[flyingcement]

Group three is nasty

[nhs67]

What if Group three has three 1-1 teams?

Does that make Pool 2 have five teams?

Jokes aside, is it total match point wins, point differential, etc... what for tiebreaker?

[Spladle88]

Lehigh with at least a couple of quality starters out early in season will struggle in that bracket unfortunately........was set up to be their year to shine, tough schedule and solid team, but the injuries may cause a rough start to the year........hey it's wrestling, injuries and dings are common but it's unfortunate........hoping they are healthy and ready to go second semester

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 1, 2025 by Spladle88

[TexRef]

That is great and thank you!

 

This weekend is the Journeymen Fall Classic which is a premier pre-season tournament. I bet that after this weekend, Frank will be pushing out info on thr Collegiate Duals. 

[Cornell Kevin]

About two months ago I posted the pools for the Journeyman Duals on the weekend of December 20th in Nashville. This not to be confused with the National Dual Invite (the big one that Okla St is hosting.

Unfortunately there seems to be 3 different things that are subject to change. One of the three everyone still seems to be quite clueless on.

1- I believe there to be a change in two of the three pools from what I had initially posted.

I find this amusing because what It is being changed to is what I originally had thought it could and should be prior to seeing otherwise on teams leaked schedules at the time.

Because the National Duals invite has two of the teams that are partaking in the Journeyman duals (Illinois and Little Rock) facing off round 1...this and further evidence has

me believing that those two teams have now been placed in separate pools at the

Journeyman. When you take that and the original criteria of teams in pools all being in different conferences of each other, and not being on one another's schedule during the year, the pools are:

• Penn St -Stanford- NDSU

• this was always the same, all 3 teams confirm this on their schedule. None of the 3 were going to be going to National Dual invite

• Ohio St- Cornell- Little Rock

• Ohio St is in and Illinois out

• lowa St-Illinois -Lehigh

• Illinois is in and Ohio St out.

2- I was told that despite the event expanding from its previous annual

2 pools of 3 teams to 3 pools of 3 teams,

it seems that we will end up seeing less, not more wrestling. I was initially told that at the conclusion of Day 1, there would be a day 2 like there had always been, where teams would compete in their new pools (all 2-0 teams in one, all 1-1 teams in one, and 0-2 teams in one).

It seems that teams are looking to wrestle less and there may not be a day 2 any longer.

At least not one consisting of new pools. This gateway into segment ...

3- Nobody seems to have a clue on exact date. Is it Saturday Dec 20th, Sunday December 21st or both?

Penn St- Stanford -NDSU who are all in one pool show Sat Dec 20th on their schedule. For the 6 remaining teams, only Illinois shows 12/20 on their schedule while the other 5 show Sunday 12/21.

Reason this is a big deal to me. and will be to other Cornell fans is because Cornell has 5 guys missing the first semester who will be eligible to wrestle on Sunday, but not on Saturday.

(Greg Diakomahalis, Brett Ungar, Vince Cornella, Ethan Fernandez, Meyer Shapiro)). 

Any athlete not enrolled in the fall semester is eligible to wrestle the day following the last day of the semester. In other words the day after the schools last final. For Cornell that last exam just so happens to fall on Sat Dec 20th.

[bnwtwg]

This is the kind of detective work that is celebrated. Good stuff @Cornell Kevin

[jdalu75]

 

The tournament is finally shown on Journeymen's website:  https://www.journeymenwrestling.com/journeymen-collegiate-duals

We now know that the site is Montgomery Bell Academy in Nashville:  https://www.montgomerybell.edu/student-life/athletics/athletic-information/facilities

"Live on Flo".  I hope that means that those with Flo subscriptions will get to watch.

 

Edited October 15, 2025 by jdalu75
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[Truzzcat]

Knox vs Blaze, Norman vs Haines, Valenca vs Davis, Provo vs Lilledahl, Cardenas vs Duke

Ech vs Stanich, Crookham vs Frost, Byrd vs Crookham, Bastida vs Taylor

Not sure if this is considered second semester or not so not sure about cornells status.

[Spladle88]

Stanich is out for the moment, most likely till early second semester (injury at world's)......I would guess 50/50 at best if he wrestles at Journeyman Duals

[BigRedFan]

1 hour ago, Truzzcat said:

Not sure if this is considered second semester or not so not sure about cornells status.

FWIW, Cornell's wrestling schedule says this is on 12/21, and final exams do indeed end on 12/20.  If the second semester guys are able to wrestle some unattached events this semester, they may be ready to face tough competition on 12/21.

[scorenomore]

Cornell Kevin - thanks for the work on this.  Now that the season is kicking off, any updates?  I remember going last year and it was just a 1-day event for 2 groups of teams.  Are you saying this time the format is different?

[Cornell Kevin]

 

[Cornell Kevin]

The Cornell guys who took the semester off are all eligible to wrestle at the journeyman duals on Sunday December 21st

[Truzzcat]

13 minutes ago, Cornell Kevin said:

The Cornell guys who took the semester off are all eligible to wrestle at the journeyman duals on Sunday December 21st

how is our glorious king meyer looking. Also the Finger lakes kids look unreal.

[BigRedFan]

8 minutes ago, Truzzcat said:

how is our glorious king meyer looking. Also the Finger lakes kids look unreal.

Cornell wrestling posted on insta a couple of clips with him sparring with someone (a Russian?).  Hand taped, but no other clues.

FWIW, from Coach Grey email a while ago:  "In the meantime....Diakomihalis, Cornella, Ungar, Fernandez, Shapiro, Oleksak are all scheduled to return to the roster 12/21 vs. Illinois and Little Rock"

Of course he also said that Fernandez and Cornella would be in the Lock Haven Open this weekend, but only Ungar of that group is registered AFAIK.  If so, then Ungar might face a Spartan Cortez tomorrow.

[Truzzcat]

20 minutes ago, BigRedFan said:

Cornell wrestling posted on insta a couple of clips with him sparring with someone (a Russian?).  Hand taped, but no other clues.

FWIW, from Coach Grey email a while ago:  "In the meantime....Diakomihalis, Cornella, Ungar, Fernandez, Shapiro, Oleksak are all scheduled to return to the roster 12/21 vs. Illinois and Little Rock"

Of course he also said that Fernandez and Cornella would be in the Lock Haven Open this weekend, but only Ungar of that group is registered AFAIK.  If so, then Ungar might face a Spartan Cortez tomorrow.

The cortez brothers have always been awesome but they have blown me away this year. I think Elijah only has one regular decision and Isaiah's only loss was in OT to Davino. Correa is also 10-1 with 10 pins and Alessio looks good. Was hoping to see some of Eljiah not sure if hes banged up or just training.

[Cornell Kevin]

Jude Correa won the Mat town open today. He is 11-1 with 10 pins and a med fft.  9/10 pins first period including Shumate who he was beating 12-3 in first before he stuck him. 

 

Ungar made it to final along with Isaiah Cortez. That was a no contest 

Cornella made it to the final vs Elijah Cortez.  That was a no contest

Rocco Dellagatta won the 285 weight beating Lehigh’s current starter (while Taylor has been out). 

No sign of Greg or Eli Diakomihalis yet. Both getting over surgeries. Greg will be ready to go Dec 21 whether he wins the 125 spot or not. He did have a win over Milani last year before he got hurt.  

 

Not all was good news at the Mat town for the Big Red.  Ethan Fernandez won by major then teched Hood (Navy) to make finals against Lehigh’s 3rd string who then majored Fernandez in the final 13-3.  Fortunately, we have Jaxon Joy at that spot. This likely answers that question on if there was any competition for that 149 spot or not.  

 

 

 

[ionel]

On 11/29/2025 at 4:55 PM, Cornell Kevin said:

 

So three groups.  Is there a scenario where PSU may wrestle ISU or OSUe or can they play the December No Competition card?  

[Cornell Kevin]

To answer your question about Meyer..and then some,  looks awesome!!! He looks healthy and he put the weight back on that he lost from the 3 day coma he was in last February.  Yep, he only weighed between 150-152 lbs during conferences and NCAAs. This while wrestling 157 lbs.  There were 141 pounders that on day 2 weighed more than Meyer.  He has never been heavy for the weight, as he just doesn’t want to cut, but that was ridiculous.  
Anyway, he looks great, is up to low 160s, and no set backs on the noggin. 

He wrestled Yianni, Takatani (Olympic Silver who beat Dake) and Aoyagi (senior 70kg world champ) much of the summer and fall.  

I think what he accomplished last year was of course disappointing for a guy who we thought could win it, but for him to still take 5th and AA after what he went through was something else. I mean he was 1-1 with a min to go in the NCAA semis with the eventual champ.  
 

157 is very much open this year, He will unfortunately miss CKLV but then get to wrestle Kannon Webster at the journeyman duals. No idea if he is going to Southern Scuffle or not. As far as in conference…. Jude Swisher (Penn) was round of 12 last year (lost to Kasak by a point in BR). Meyer teched Swisher in the IVY finals.  

He will get to wreslte Rozynski (Lehigh) who majored Antrell Taylor at NDI.  That is assuming Lehigh sends him out vs Meyer. They didn’t last year for whatever reason.  He will also get to wrestle 2x BR Jackson Arrington (NC State) In that dual along with Chance McLane (Arizona St) in that dual.  

 

So Meyer will have 14 duals, maybe southern scuffle, and then 2 matches at the almighty IVY conference tournament (I already miss EIWAs). So if he was not to miss a dual, looking at 16 matches pre NCAAs, possibly 20-21 if he were to enter the Scuffle.  
His top opponents 

#7 Kannon Webster

#9 Jackson Arrington 

#10 Jude Swisher x 2 

#12 Logan Rozynski 

#19 Jimmy Harrington 

#23 Chance McLane 

#25 Jaivon Jones 

Hoping for no set backs.  If that is the case, Meyer is my pick of course . Think the weight is wide open. I think Meyer has an explosive offense which includes a loaded arsenal with creativity second to none.  He also has been working on his top game quite a bit, which was already very solid before.  I think the two youngsters in PJ Duke, Landon Robideau and Brandon Cannon will be his biggest challenges.  That  along with not hitting the Noggin.   He nearly majored Cardenas last time out, and I like the style matchup in his favor vs Watters.  Zerban he majored 11-0 for 5th. I have seen what he can do to Taylor when healthy.  
 

I am really high on 4 guys making the podium for Cornell this year to keep the 22 year streak going of 3+ AAs every year for Cornell.  Meyer, Ruiz, Joy, and Cornella.  I really do think we will see Meyer and Ruiz in the NCAA finals.   

 

[Cornell Kevin]

3 minutes ago, ionel said:

So three groups.  Is there a scenario where PSU may wrestle ISU or OSUe or can they play the December No Competition card?  

There is no longer 3 groups.  I believe they switched it around in order to prevent teams who faced at NDI to face again. The only real group would be Penn St-Stanford-NDSU who all are scheduled to face each other on Saturday.  

There is no chance of anyone facing each other outside of this schedule I have attached, no.  

[ionel]

1 minute ago, Cornell Kevin said:

There is no longer 3 groups.  I believe they switched it around in order to prevent teams who faced at NDI to face again. The only real group would be Penn St-Stanford-NDSU who all are scheduled to face each other on Saturday.  

There is no chance of anyone facing each other outside of this schedule I have attached, no.  

So no one can really win this event.  Its more of a show up and kiss your sister?  

 

[scorenomore]

10 hours ago, Cornell Kevin said:

To answer your question about Meyer..and then some,  looks awesome!!! He looks healthy and he put the weight back on that he lost from the 3 day coma he was in last February.  Yep, he only weighed between 150-152 lbs during conferences and NCAAs. This while wrestling 157 lbs.  There were 141 pounders that on day 2 weighed more than Meyer.  He has never been heavy for the weight, as he just doesn’t want to cut, but that was ridiculous.  
Anyway, he looks great, is up to low 160s, and no set backs on the noggin. 

He wrestled Yianni, Takatani (Olympic Silver who beat Dake) and Aoyagi (senior 70kg world champ) much of the summer and fall.  

I think what he accomplished last year was of course disappointing for a guy who we thought could win it, but for him to still take 5th and AA after what he went through was something else. I mean he was 1-1 with a min to go in the NCAA semis with the eventual champ.  
 

157 is very much open this year, He will unfortunately miss CKLV but then get to wrestle Kannon Webster at the journeyman duals. No idea if he is going to Southern Scuffle or not. As far as in conference…. Jude Swisher (Penn) was round of 12 last year (lost to Kasak by a point in BR). Meyer teched Swisher in the IVY finals.  

He will get to wreslte Rozynski (Lehigh) who majored Antrell Taylor at NDI.  That is assuming Lehigh sends him out vs Meyer. They didn’t last year for whatever reason.  He will also get to wrestle 2x BR Jackson Arrington (NC State) In that dual along with Chance McLane (Arizona St) in that dual.  

 

So Meyer will have 14 duals, maybe southern scuffle, and then 2 matches at the almighty IVY conference tournament (I already miss EIWAs). So if he was not to miss a dual, looking at 16 matches pre NCAAs, possibly 20-21 if he were to enter the Scuffle.  
His top opponents 

#7 Kannon Webster

#9 Jackson Arrington 

#10 Jude Swisher x 2 

#12 Logan Rozynski 

#19 Jimmy Harrington 

#23 Chance McLane 

#25 Jaivon Jones 

Hoping for no set backs.  If that is the case, Meyer is my pick of course . Think the weight is wide open. I think Meyer has an explosive offense which includes a loaded arsenal with creativity second to none.  He also has been working on his top game quite a bit, which was already very solid before.  I think the two youngsters in PJ Duke, Landon Robideau and Brandon Cannon will be his biggest challenges.  That  along with not hitting the Noggin.   He nearly majored Cardenas last time out, and I like the style matchup in his favor vs Watters.  Zerban he majored 11-0 for 5th. I have seen what he can do to Taylor when healthy.  
 

I am really high on 4 guys making the podium for Cornell this year to keep the 22 year streak going of 3+ AAs every year for Cornell.  Meyer, Ruiz, Joy, and Cornella.  I really do think we will see Meyer and Ruiz in the NCAA finals.   

 

Good summary and agree with your analysis.  Hope he MS goes to the scuffle, I believe Okie St is scheduled for the scuffle and would love to see Shapiro v Robideau.  Has Meyer wrestled Robideau or Duke in the past?

[Fred]

Psu with the cakewalk (per Carl’s demand?). Why not put them in a pool with isu?

[Cornell Kevin]

On 11/30/2025 at 11:39 PM, ionel said:

So no one can really win this event.  Its more of a show up and kiss your sister?  

 

you got it!