165 next year

[Truzzcat]

Messenbrink seems to be anointed as a 3 time national champion and I am not going to argue against that. However I think two new additions to 165 next year could make things interesting. Joey blaze has looked awesome this summer and I think is a better folkstyle wrestler at this point, I think being able to eat more is going to help his development a lot on top of him being reportedly only 19 or at least as of trials. The other guy that I think adds a wrinkle to the mix is Ladarion lockett. He is probably still a year or two away from entering that conversation but he is in the only room that has talent and coaching around his size to rival PSU and I think has a similar style that has proved to give Mitchell some issue.

[ionel]

23 minutes ago, Truzzcat said:

Messenbrink seems to be anointed as a 3 time national champion and I am not going to argue against that. However ...

Who & why?  

[nhs67]

Next topic...

[nhs67]

That said, it was interesting that an 141lber went in to 157lbs and dominated all season and a fringe AA 165lber dropped and won it all... then the 157lbers beat up the 165lbers at the WTT at 74 KG.

 

Edited yesterday at 12:17 AM by nhs67

[BruceyB]

51 minutes ago, Truzzcat said:

Messenbrink seems to be anointed as a 3 time national champion and I am not going to argue against that. However I think two new additions to 165 next year could make things interesting. Joey blaze has looked awesome this summer and I think is a better folkstyle wrestler at this point, I think being able to eat more is going to help his development a lot on top of him being reportedly only 19 or at least as of trials. The other guy that I think adds a wrinkle to the mix is Ladarion lockett. He is probably still a year or two away from entering that conversation but he is in the only room that has talent and coaching around his size to rival PSU and I think has a similar style that has proved to give Mitchell some issue.

There is no doubt that Mesenbrink is an outstanding wrestler, but I do think people underestimate how incredibly weak 165 was last year. The only truly consistent guys were Mesenbrink, Caliendo, and Hall. Just compare last years NCAAs versus the two years prior..

Seed 2023 2024 2025 1 Carr O'Toole Mesenbrink 2 O'Toole Mesenbrink Hall 3 Hamiti Ramirez Caliendo 4 Ramirez Carr Barraclough 5 Q. Monday Hamiti Ramirez 6 Kennedy Caliendo Mantanona 7 Caliendo Olejnik Garvin 8 Olguin A. Taylor Amine 9 Griffith Hall Steed 10 Kharchla Amine Sparks 11 Amine Cerniglia Scoles 12 Olejnik Thompson Minto

 

Edit: Forgot to say that I am excited to potentially see Joey Blaze and Lockett at 165 if they both go this season.

Edited yesterday at 12:34 AM by BruceyB

[bnwtwg]

1 hour ago, nhs67 said:

That said, it was interesting that an 141lber went in to 157lbs and dominated all season and a fringe AA 165lber dropped and won it all... then the 157lbers beat up the 165lbers at the WTT at 74 KG.

 

74 is weird because there is a "lack" of domestic level depth X everyone ran from the Carr/Metzenbrenk buzz saw X the big dogs (Dake + JB + lower tier Nolf) all exited during the same year.

Mind you, 74 is still our deepest weight with Carr, Missilebrick, and KOT when he gets back to full strength in 2027. Kinda funny to be deep and shallow at the same time but both are true.

 

[bnwtwg]

1 hour ago, nhs67 said:

That said, it was interesting that an 141lber went in to 157lbs and dominated all season 

I believe the reason for this was announced post-match at NCAAs

[Husker]

2 hours ago, BruceyB said:

There is no doubt that Mesenbrink is an outstanding wrestler, but I do think people underestimate how incredibly weak 165 was last year. The only truly consistent guys were Mesenbrink, Caliendo, and Hall. Just compare last years NCAAs versus the two years prior..

Seed 2023 2024 2025 1 Carr O'Toole Mesenbrink 2 O'Toole Mesenbrink Hall 3 Hamiti Ramirez Caliendo 4 Ramirez Carr Barraclough 5 Q. Monday Hamiti Ramirez 6 Kennedy Caliendo Mantanona 7 Caliendo Olejnik Garvin 8 Olguin A. Taylor Amine 9 Griffith Hall Steed 10 Kharchla Amine Sparks 11 Amine Cerniglia Scoles 12 Olejnik Thompson Minto

 

Edit: Forgot to say that I am excited to potentially see Joey Blaze and Lockett at 165 if they both go this season.

I thought Minto for Nebraska was consistently good all season. 

[RawDog]

Caliendo will take a match from Messinbrink this year.  He closed the gap.  Carr showed the blueprint on how to beat Messinbrink.  Caliendo is athletic enough to copy it 

[ionel]

5 minutes ago, RawDog said:

Caliendo will take a match from Messinbrink this year.  He closed the gap.  Carr showed the blueprint on how to beat Messinbrink.  Caliendo is athletic enough to copy it 

That's all fine but it doesn't have any relevance for the 25/26 D1 season.  

[Gus]

2 hours ago, bnwtwg said:

74 is weird because there is a "lack" of domestic level depth X everyone ran from the Carr/Metzenbrenk buzz saw X the big dogs (Dake + JB + lower tier Nolf) all exited during the same year.

Mind you, 74 is still our deepest weight with Carr, Missilebrick, and KOT when he gets back to full strength in 2027. Kinda funny to be deep and shallow at the same time but both are true.

 

86 is way deeper. Zahid, Dake, Keck, Chance, etc. 

[BruceyB]

2 hours ago, Husker said:

I thought Minto for Nebraska was consistently good all season. 

I mean he lost to #24, #13, and #19 during the season. He was a #12 seed at NCAAs that finished 4th. It was a great year for a freshman that no one had on their radar. I'm really curious to see how he progresses moving forward.

[BruceyB]

2 hours ago, RawDog said:

Caliendo will take a match from Messinbrink this year.  He closed the gap.  Carr showed the blueprint on how to beat Messinbrink.  Caliendo is athletic enough to copy it 

I'll owe you one if I'm wrong, but Caliendo is never going to beat Mesenbrink. Also, @ionel are you familiar with Messinbrink? 

Also, David Carr could easily have been a 4x champion. He was a #1 seed that suffered a massive upset in the R16, and he lost in the finals to KOT after he had beat him twice that season. David Carr and Mikey Caliendo is a ridiculous comparison. Caliendo is an absolute stud, but comparing him to Carr isn't fair. 

 

[BruceyB]

3 hours ago, bnwtwg said:

74 is weird because there is a "lack" of domestic level depth X everyone ran from the Carr/Metzenbrenk buzz saw X the big dogs (Dake + JB + lower tier Nolf) all exited during the same year.

Mind you, 74 is still our deepest weight with Carr, Missilebrick, and KOT when he gets back to full strength in 2027. Kinda funny to be deep and shallow at the same time but both are true.

 

Who ran from Carr and Mesenbrink? I agree the big dogs all exited the weight, but I'm not sure who is running?

[1032004]

7 hours ago, RawDog said:

Carr showed the blueprint on how to beat Messinbrink.  Caliendo is athletic enough to copy it 

I don’t recall the match…what’s the blueprint?

[juniorvarsity]

8 hours ago, RawDog said:

Caliendo will take a match from Messinbrink this year.  He closed the gap.  Carr showed the blueprint on how to beat Messinbrink.  Caliendo is athletic enough to copy it 

Can you describe the blueprint? 

[bnwtwg]

7 hours ago, Gus said:

86 is way deeper. Zahid, Dake, Keck, Chance, etc. 

we are going to have to agree to disagree.

[Gus]

2 hours ago, bnwtwg said:

we are going to have to agree to disagree.

What is there to disagree on? One weight has a two world/olympic medalists, another world team member and then up and comers like Keckeisen, Starocci, Welsh, McEnally, Sinclair, etc. The other has three or four really solid young guys in Carr, Mesenbrink, O’Toole (assuming he’s back to form post injury) and Lockett. Seems like 86 is deeper with higher end talent right now. 

[Fletcher]

5 hours ago, 1032004 said:

I don’t recall the match…what’s the blueprint?

Be quick as hell. Copy that blueprint and you can beat anyone.

[Jimmy Cinnabon]

10 hours ago, juniorvarsity said:

Can you describe the blueprint? 

Score more points than Mesenbrink scores. EZPZ. 

[Truzzcat]

Takahashi/Carr/Burroughs all wrestle extremely similar and own the only wins over Mitchell since he got to PSU.