Cael

[Winners Circle]

12 minutes ago, MJD said:

Look, the whole 'innocent until proven guilty' thing? That's a legal principle for the courtroom. It's about how the justice system operates, making sure the government has to prove someone's guilt beyond a reasonable doubt before they can be locked up. It's a protection against wrongful convictions...blah blah...

But outside of a court of law, in everyday life, we're totally allowed to speculate, discuss, and form opinions based on the information we have. If there's a lot of evidence pointing towards someone, or if their actions look suspicious, we're not legally bound to pretend they're saints until a judge bangs a gavel. We can absolutely talk about whether we think Starocci might be guilty, or that it looks like he did something wrong. Of course sometimes speculation goes overboard etc.

But we're just talking here, not throwing out ideas

I agree with everything you said here. But do we think one article is enough to form an opinion of him as "an abuser"? I don't think so. HE DOESN'T EVEN FACE ANY CHARGES YET.

[MJD]

1 minute ago, Winners Circle said:

I agree with everything you said here. But do we think one article is enough to form an opinion of him as "an abuser"? I don't think so. HE DOESN'T EVEN FACE ANY CHARGES YET.

Good point.

[Winners Circle]

1 minute ago, MJD said:

Good point.

That doesn't mean my opinion can't or won't change. But until the police feel there is enough evidence to at least charge him of something, my opinion is that he did not do these things.

[Dogbone]

2 minutes ago, Winners Circle said:

I agree with everything you said here. But do we think one article is enough to form an opinion of him as "an abuser"? I don't think so. HE DOESN'T EVEN FACE ANY CHARGES YET.

The point is you are free to believe whatever you want and others can have a different opinion.  You don't set the standard. 

There are a lot of reasons a prosecutor may not file charges, a he said/he said case could be hard to prove beyond reasonable doubt so they don't file charges or the alleged sexual victims not wanting to go public or have their names out there for the PSU mob to go after her. 

From the outside, it doesn't seem Carter is a great guy so I am not going to get worked up every time someone calls him an abuser even though he may never get charged with a crime.  You can obliviously take a different opinion.  

[ionel]

24 minutes ago, MJD said:

Look, the whole 'innocent until proven guilty' thing? That's a legal principle for the courtroom. It's about how the justice system operates, making sure the government has to prove someone's guilt beyond a reasonable doubt before they can be locked up. It's a protection against wrongful convictions...blah blah...

But outside of a court of law, in everyday life, we're totally allowed to speculate, discuss, and form opinions based on the information we have. If there's a lot of evidence pointing towards someone, or if their actions look suspicious, we're not legally bound to pretend they're saints until a judge bangs a gavel. We can absolutely talk about whether we think Starocci might be guilty, or that it looks like he did something wrong. Of course sometimes speculation goes overboard etc.

But we're just talking here, throwing out ideas

There was an incident couple years ago made the news.  The media got it wrong but of course moved on.  The university figured it out but then punished not only the guilty but also innocent folks cause they weren't happy about the media attention. 

Yes this is not strictly a legal issue.  We still don't know as a university employee what did Cael do? 

[Winners Circle]

7 minutes ago, Dogbone said:

The point is you are free to believe whatever you want and others can have a different opinion.  You don't set the standard. 

There are a lot of reasons a prosecutor may not file charges, a he said/he said case could be hard to prove beyond reasonable doubt so they don't file charges or the alleged sexual victims not wanting to go public or have their names out there for the PSU mob to go after her. 

From the outside, it doesn't seem Carter is a great guy so I am not going to get worked up every time someone calls him an abuser even though he may never get charged with a crime.  You can obliviously take a different opinion.  

I agree with most of what you said. But to call him "an abuser" is factually not true. That's my whole point. Is he an alleged abuser? Absolutely. But an abuser? No. 

[happyvalet]

17 minutes ago, Winners Circle said:

I agree with everything you said here. But do we think one article is enough to form an opinion of him as "an abuser"? I don't think so. HE DOESN'T EVEN FACE ANY CHARGES YET.

I'm not telling you what to believe. If you choose to not form an opinion, I see no problem with that. There are four separate accusers who have spoken publicly. Three kept their names hidden from the public and one who didn't. Personally, I believe Beau. 

[Winners Circle]

Just now, happyvalet said:

I'm not telling you what to believe. If you choose to not form an opinion, I see no problem with that. There are four separate accusers who have spoken publicly. Three kept their names hidden from the public and one who didn't. Personally, I believe Beau. 

Right. You can certainly form your own opinion as well. And when you post your opinion on a discussion board, I want to give my opinion to contribute to the discussion. Don't get so triggered. 

[Dogbone]

7 minutes ago, Winners Circle said:

I agree with most of what you said. But to call him "an abuser" is factually not true. That's my whole point. Is he an alleged abuser? Absolutely. But an abuser? No. 

Actually, neither you nor I know if its factual.  But it is entirely possible that he is factually an abuser and the fact won't change if he is ever accused of a crime or not.  

[GV4444]

Just spitballing here.   PSU fires Cael.  Iowa brass can now hire the only active coach more successful than Brands, thereby satisfying all those calling for change at Iowa.  Now tOSU alums who have been calling for the firing of Ryan can now hire Brands, the only active available coach with more national championships than Ryan.

In order to start fresh with a clean break, PSU hires first time head coach Jordan Burroughs, who will receive a standing ovation when he enters Rec Hall.

Finally, the poles with complete the flip from North to South.

[MPhillips]

"Triggered" and a "snowflake" reference. Perhaps you boys should check this link out. 

 https://intermatwrestle.com/forums/forum/11-non-wrestling-topics/

 

[alex1fly]

2 hours ago, GV4444 said:

Just spitballing here.   PSU fires Cael.  Iowa brass can now hire the only active coach more successful than Brands, thereby satisfying all those calling for change at Iowa.  Now tOSU alums who have been calling for the firing of Ryan can now hire Brands, the only active available coach with more national championships than Ryan.

In order to start fresh with a clean break, PSU hires first time head coach Jordan Burroughs, who will receive a standing ovation when he enters Rec Hall.

Finally, the poles with complete the flip from North to South.

Brands hires John Smith who comes out of retirement to run the Iowa RTC

 

[PortaJohn]

2 hours ago, GV4444 said:

Just spitballing here.   PSU fires Cael.  Iowa brass can now hire the only active coach more successful than Brands, thereby satisfying all those calling for change at Iowa.  Now tOSU alums who have been calling for the firing of Ryan can now hire Brands, the only active available coach with more national championships than Ryan.

In order to start fresh with a clean break, PSU hires first time head coach Jordan Burroughs, who will receive a standing ovation when he enters Rec Hall.

Finally, the poles with complete the flip from North to South.

 

Just now, alex1fly said:

Brands hires John Smith who comes out of retirement to run the Iowa RTC

 

Stone Cold Steve Austin glass shatters theme song comes on in Rec Hall.  Rob Koll walks out in his State College High School singlet to take on Burroughs and reclaim his hometown.  Typical Koll CEO move he delegates it off to a lawyer and tries to find a legal loophole 

[Gene Mills Fan]

2 hours ago, GV4444 said:

Just spitballing here.   PSU fires Cael.  Iowa brass can now hire the only active coach more successful than Brands, thereby satisfying all those calling for change at Iowa.  Now tOSU alums who have been calling for the firing of Ryan can now hire Brands, the only active available coach with more national championships than Ryan.

In order to start fresh with a clean break, PSU hires first time head coach Jordan Burroughs, who will receive a standing ovation when he enters Rec Hall.

Finally, the poles with complete the flip from North to South.

Dan Gable gets so fired up he carries his statue from Iowa city back to Ames

[PortaJohn]

2 minutes ago, Gene Mills Fan said:

Dan Gable gets so fired up he carries his statue from Iowa city back to Ames

Shows up and finds the doors locked at Lied Rec and Hilton Coliseum.  Flags down a Paper Router coming by on his bike and snags a newspaper.  Front Page Title, "Larry Owings Named New Athletic Director for the Iowa State Cyclones."  

Dan grips the paper tightly and snarks, "Newman".

[VakAttack]

14 hours ago, Winners Circle said:

At least those 3 people all faced criminal charges. Starocci, at this point in time, does not face any criminal charges. So we're supposed to declare him an abuser based on one article?

Fine.  Hillary Clinton.

[1032004]

4 hours ago, VakAttack said:

Fine.  Hillary Clinton.

Joe Biden…

[VakAttack]

2 hours ago, 1032004 said:

Joe Biden…

I didn't even harp on the moved goal posts, lol. 

[Hammerlock3]

19 hours ago, Gene Mills Fan said:

Dan Gable gets so fired up he carries his statue from Iowa city back to Ames

why? not sure whats this supposed to be projecting.

[PortaJohn]

19 hours ago, Gene Mills Fan said:

Dan Gable gets so fired up he carries his statue from Iowa city back to Ames

 

4 minutes ago, Hammerlock3 said:

why? not sure whats this supposed to be projecting.

Hammer drops a best selling Autobiography titled, "Over My Head" 

[Gene Mills Fan]

7 minutes ago, Hammerlock3 said:

why? not sure whats this supposed to be projecting.

Back to his roots flipping the poles(or just flipping out) because his boys were sent to Ohio.

Edited July 10 by Gene Mills Fan

[Hammerlock3]

2 minutes ago, Gene Mills Fan said:

Back to his roots flipping the poles(or just flipping out) because his boys were sent to Ohio.

whats was that

[ionel]

1 hour ago, PortaJohn said:

 

Hammer drops a best selling Autobiography titled, "Over My Head" 

Don't forget his Hip Hop tune by the same title.

[Husker_Du]

if you want to get political that's fine. but do it on the NWT board. 

[One8alpha]

Its the liberal mindset.  Lets hate the the leadership of the opposing team and disappear them instead of fixing themselves win