Brennan

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

1 minute ago, fishbane said:

For any senior that didn't qualify for NCAAs in 2020 they missed absolutely nothing.  Do you only award an extra year for the NCAA qualifiers?  

Back to the topic of the thread Tyler Brennan didn't qualify for NCAAs in 2020.  He missed absolutely nothing that year.  Why should he get another year?  I mean he had the opportunity to get a free year in 2021 and couldn't use it.  I think it sends the wrong message to let him wrestle because it incentivizes trying to break the rules.  If no one notices before the conference tournament then you good to go. 

I see a lot of people not caring about rules these days.  

[fishbane]

1 minute ago, Spencerlee said:

Imagine if Iowa had the ability to still have Spencer and Real Woods. That’s a team title.

One of them trying to sneak in an extra year would have attracted attention earlier in the season.

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

Just now, fishbane said:

One of them trying to sneak in an extra year would have attracted attention earlier in the season.

And that is one of the major differences.  Brennan was extremely under the radar.

[Caveira]

No one should ever get 5 post seasons.   It’s all we’re going to hear about at NCAAs this year too.   Every lead in, etc….. 

[BarSeries]

2 minutes ago, fishbane said:

Do you only award an extra year for the NCAA qualifiers?  

Not if every other non-senior non-qualifier received an extra year of eligibility.

[Husker_Du]

this isn't difficult.

[ionel]

4 minutes ago, Spencerlee said:

Imagine if Iowa had the ability to still have Spencer and Real Woods. That’s a team title.

How did Iowa get Woods in the first place?

[cowcards]

2 minutes ago, Caveira said:

No one should ever get 5 post seasons.   It’s all we’re going to hear about at NCAAs this year too.   Every lead in, etc….. 

Just wait until the NCAA goes to 5 years and eliminates redshirting...

[Coastal]

2 minutes ago, Spencerlee said:

Imagine if Iowa had the ability to still have Spencer and Real Woods. That’s a team title.

They could have Lee and Woods and still finish more than 50 points behind Penn State.

 

Even if you ignored that fact that Ramos is in the bracket and gave Lee maximum for winning and assume tweedle dee and tweedle dum didn't ruin Woods and gave him first that's only 50-60 points.  

[BarSeries]

19 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

I don't think they knew how long the thing was going to last.  That affected decision making.

Surely if a senior had 3 NCAA championships and going for his fourth in 2020 they would have done something different eh?

[GimJustafan]

1 minute ago, cowcards said:

Just wait until the NCAA goes to 5 years and eliminates redshirting...

was just thinking same thing 

[1032004]

3 minutes ago, cowcards said:

Just wait until the NCAA goes to 5 years and eliminates redshirting...

Maybe this will help speed that up!  

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

11 minutes ago, BarSeries said:

Surely if a senior had 3 NCAA championships and going for his fourth in 2020 they would have done something different eh?

It was for all sports.

[Winners Circle]

32 minutes ago, Spencerlee said:

Imagine if Iowa had the ability to still have Spencer and Real Woods. That’s a team title.

Lol. No it isn't. 

[Winners Circle]

28 minutes ago, Husker_Du said:

this isn't difficult.

Is he in or out? @Husker_Du

[Voice of the Quakers]

20 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

Maybe this will help speed that up!  

This is where college sport is and should be going. Most undergraduates take five years to graduate; athletic eligibility should be in line with the typical student experience.

The fight over eliminating redshirting is going to be intense. What about injuries? Gap years? Religious missions? Olympic training? The sob stories will be infinite. But, we have to get rid of the 7th and 8th year seniors. The lengthening of the college career is limiting opportunities for graduating high schoolers and professionalizing college sports further than needed. 

[Winners Circle]

2 minutes ago, Voice of the Quakers said:

This is where college sport is and should be going. Most undergraduates take five years to graduate; athletic eligibility should be in line with the typical student experience.

The fight over eliminating redshirting is going to be intense. What about injuries? Gap years? Religious missions? Olympic training? The sob stories will be infinite. But, we have to get rid of the 7th and 8th year seniors. The lengthening of the college career is limiting opportunities for graduating high schoolers and professionalizing college sports further than needed. 

Lmao. I'm not sure about this.

[fishbane]

4 minutes ago, Voice of the Quakers said:

The sob stories will be infinite. But, we have to get rid of the 7th and 8th year seniors. The lengthening of the college career is limiting opportunities for graduating high schoolers and professionalizing college sports further than needed. 

Dean Hamiti has lost more than Tyler Brennan.  Hamiti competed as a true freshman after graduating from high school in 2021.  This year he lost to Keegan O'Toole in the Big 12 final.  O'Toole was participating in his 5th Big 12 Championship.  Last year Hamiti lost to David Carr and Izzak Olejnik at NCAAs, both were competing in their 5th NCAA postseason.  The high school class of 2021 got a much different competitive landscape than any before it.

[Voice of the Quakers]

9 minutes ago, Winners Circle said:

Lmao. I'm not sure about this.

Six years is actually becoming the norm, but I don't want to see college sports go that far.

If your student finds they need an extra year to finish college, they are not alone. According to the U.S. Department of Education, in 2020 43.7% of students completed college in four years, 58.7% finished after 5 years, and 60.4% took 6 years. Many students finish college on individualized, unconventional timelines.

https://collegiateparent.com/academics/5th-year-of-college-part-1/#:~:text=According to the U.S. Department,and 60.4% took 6 years.Much 

[Winners Circle]

Just now, Voice of the Quakers said:

Six years is actually becoming the norm, but I don't want to see college sports go that far.

If your student finds they need an extra year to finish college, they are not alone. According to the U.S. Department of Education, in 2020 43.7% of students completed college in four years, 58.7% finished after 5 years, and 60.4% took 6 years. Many students finish college on individualized, unconventional timelines.

https://collegiateparent.com/academics/5th-year-of-college-part-1/#:~:text=According to the U.S. Department,and 60.4% took 6 years.Much 

Skewed by regular students that don't have an eligibility time clock. If you know you have 4 years of eligibility, you get your degree quicker. I don't think that's a difficult concept to grasp. 

I did not have one teammate in college that struggled to get their degree in 4 years. Everyone that got their degree in 5, did so because they redshirted and knew they had an extra year to play with.

[fishbane]

1 minute ago, Voice of the Quakers said:

Six years is actually becoming the norm, but I don't want to see college sports go that far.

If your student finds they need an extra year to finish college, they are not alone. According to the U.S. Department of Education, in 2020 43.7% of students completed college in four years, 58.7% finished after 5 years, and 60.4% took 6 years. Many students finish college on individualized, unconventional timelines.

https://collegiateparent.com/academics/5th-year-of-college-part-1/#:~:text=According to the U.S. Department,and 60.4% took 6 years.Much 

I'm not sure this is being interpreted correctly.  It's a skewed distribution.  Many students never graduate.  The tail is long.  43.7% of students graduated in 4 years.  15% more graduated in 5.  Only 1.7% graduated in 6.  The other 39.6% possibly never graduated, but definitely more than 6 years.  A majority of college graduates graduate in 4 years.  I think.

[Voice of the Quakers]

Just now, Winners Circle said:

Skewed by regular students that don't have an eligibility time clock. If you know you have 4 years of eligibility, you get your degree quicker. I don't think that's a difficult concept to grasp. 

I did not have one teammate in college that struggled to get their degree in 4 years. Everyone that got their degree in 5, did so because they redshirted and knew they had an extra year to play with.

Why should we treat athletes different than regular students? The issues we have in college sports right now is that we don't treat athletes like regular students. Schools are accepting transfers - even in wrestling - they know will not graduate and are not working toward degrees. Likewise, normal students have power of contract, but not athletes. It all has to change.

[Winners Circle]

1 minute ago, fishbane said:

I'm not sure this is being interpreted correctly.  It's a skewed distribution.  Many students never graduate.  The tail is long.  43.7% of students graduated in 4 years.  15% more graduated in 5.  Only 1.7% graduated in 6.  The other 39.6% possibly never graduated, but definitely more than 6 years.  A majority of college graduates graduate in 4 years.  I think.

*I poop my pants, don't laugh at me* you're right. That slipped by me. 43.7% + 58.7% + 60.4% = 162.8% of college students. Lmao

[Winners Circle]

1 minute ago, Voice of the Quakers said:

Why should we treat athletes different than regular students? The issues we have in college sports right now is that we don't treat athletes like regular students. Schools are accepting transfers - even in wrestling - they know will not graduate and are not working toward degrees. Likewise, normal students have power of contract, but not athletes. It all has to change.

Because they chose to be different than regular students. I didn't read the rest of your post because I didn't need to. 

[flyingcement]

58 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

And that is one of the major differences.  Brennan was extremely under the radar.

I think he was as good as someone could be while fans not noticing his eligibility