B10 PreSeeds

[Gus]

32 minutes ago, PortaJohn said:

They're putting a lot of weight on the Luffman results between those three.  Luffman is being used as the constant  

Apparently so. Either way, they are all gonna end up on the back side fighting for third. Just depends on who gets there faster.

[11986]

No fair Penn State has two guys at 174

174 lbs.

1) Levi Haines (PSU)

Carson Kharcla (OSU)

Lenny Pinto (PSU)

more seriously, a Turley / Pinto quarterfinal could be fun. 

[Truzzcat]

1 hour ago, VakAttack said:

So SVN comes out the winner in the 149 conundrum.  Man, it's about time PSU caught some breaks. 

let's give criteria to the big ten 5th from two years ago rather than the returning big 10 champ! I don't really mind it that much I just don't understand the rationale. I really don't understand if you are basing it on conference results how Van dee gets the 6 and Davis gets the 4.

[PortaJohn]

6 minutes ago, Truzzcat said:

let's give criteria to the big ten 5th from two years ago rather than the returning big 10 champ! I don't really mind it that much I just don't understand the rationale. I really don't understand if you are basing it on conference results how Van dee gets the 6 and Davis gets the 4.

The B10 does not only uses conference results.  Coaches Ranking, RPI, & Win Percentage.  

[VakAttack]

3 minutes ago, PortaJohn said:

The B10 does not only uses conference results.  Coaches Ranking, RPI, & Win Percentage.  

Do they even have set criteria?

[Spencerlee]

2 hours ago, ionel said:

wanta bet? 

Starocci going to get a takedown this time?

[ionel]

2 minutes ago, Spencerlee said:

Starocci going to get a takedown this time?

Only if necessary.

[Spencerlee]

3 minutes ago, ionel said:

Only if necessary.

The Starocci way.

[PortaJohn]

14 minutes ago, VakAttack said:

Do they even have set criteria?

Lol.  I don't know if anyone actually knows the answer to that question.  Will have to defer to @Husker_Du @Jon_Kozak @SetonHallPirate or @Jason Bryant

[BarSeries]

 

[One8alpha]

Penn state with 7 champs.  Iowa takes third again behind Nebraska

[Jason Bryant]

1 hour ago, PortaJohn said:

Lol.  I don't know if anyone actually knows the answer to that question.  Will have to defer to @Husker_Du @Jon_Kozak @SetonHallPirate or @Jason Bryant

[nhs67]

5 hours ago, VakAttack said:

So SVN comes out the winner in the 149 conundrum.  Man, it's about time PSU caught some breaks. 

I think most thought it would be that way anyways, right?

[SocraTease]

3 hours ago, VakAttack said:

Do they even have set criteria?

I suspect the Big Ten decides seeds the way the Vatican conclave chooses the Pope (and similar to the way the Politburo in the USSR and now China have selected leaders). Lean in:  I will whisper the answer . . .   IT'S A SECRET

 

[VakAttack]

8 minutes ago, nhs67 said:

I think most thought it would be that way anyways, right?

I think it was assumed, but there's not really a logic behind it being the predominant thought other than "because he's at PSU."  Based on his season this year, he has no greater claim than the other guys.

[nhs67]

29 minutes ago, VakAttack said:

I think it was assumed, but there's not really a logic behind it being the predominant thought other than "because he's at PSU."  Based on his season this year, he has no greater claim than the other guys.

He does, though, by fault of Virginia Tech's Henson beating Lovett, causing him to drop in the CR.

CR had 2, 3, 4 in the same order as seeds (1,  2, 3).

RPI had Parco (1), SVN (2), (3), (4), (5), Lovett (6).

There was cause and him losing to Henson did not help his cause.

Once you eliminate Lovett as the (3), then H2H is used.

Edit: There is a scenario for all three at the (1).  I am merely stating the clearly obvious one they ended up using.

Edited 6 hours ago by nhs67

[666]

7 hours ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

No Iowa surprises. Unless you think Schriever is a surprise at 141.

I can't believe the Hawkeyes don't have a badass at 141. Would love to see Schriever qualify for NCAAs though. 

[VakAttack]

43 minutes ago, nhs67 said:

He does, though, by fault of Virginia Tech's Henson beating Lovett, causing him to drop in the CR.

CR had 2, 3, 4 in the same order as seeds (1,  2, 3).

RPI had Parco (1), SVN (2), (3), (4), (5), Lovett (6).

There was cause and him losing to Henson did not help his cause.

Once you eliminate Lovett as the (3), then H2H is used.

Edit: There is a scenario for all three at the (1).  I am merely stating the clearly obvious one they ended up using.

I % agree there is an argument for why SVN should be (and eventually was) given the 1.  I'm saying his argument was no stronger than Lovett's or Parco's, but I think most of us assumed it would go this way, and the reason is because SVN is at PSU.

[nhs67]

25 minutes ago, VakAttack said:

I % agree there is an argument for why SVN should be (and eventually was) given the 1.  I'm saying his argument was no stronger than Lovett's or Parco's, but I think most of us assumed it would go this way, and the reason is because SVN is at PSU.

Your opinion is that is the reason.  That doesn't make it any more true than me being a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle.

That isn't why I thought it went this way.  I clearly laid out to you why I thought it did.  Eliminating based on being lower in the CR, RPI, and having more total losses was fine by me.  Using H2H between the othet two was the next logical step after 'eliminating' one of them to third.

In any case, wouldn't you rather Parco get Lovett rather than Webster in the semi-finals?  Being further off the scale benefits Webster more, I think.  Their first match was RCH close.

 

[Wrestleknownothing]

37 minutes ago, VakAttack said:

I % agree there is an argument for why SVN should be (and eventually was) given the 1.  I'm saying his argument was no stronger than Lovett's or Parco's, but I think most of us assumed it would go this way, and the reason is because SVN is at PSU.

Search your feelings, Vak. You know it to be true. You are a PSU fan. The dark (blue) side beckons.

[VakAttack]

4 minutes ago, nhs67 said:

Your opinion is that is the reason.  That doesn't make it any more true than me being a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle.

That isn't why I thought it went this way.  I clearly laid out to you why I thought it did.  Eliminating based on being lower in the CR, RPI, and having more total losses was fine by me.  Using H2H between the othet two was the next logical step after 'eliminating' one of them to third.

In any case, wouldn't you rather Parco get Lovett rather than Webster in the semi-finals?  Being further off the scale benefits Webster more, I think.  Their first match was RCH close.

 

Lol, no i would not rather be get Lovett, a much better wrestler.

EDIT: You're confusing the argument as to why SVN should get the 1 with the reason why most people defaulted to that argument.  You could just as easily argue SVN had the "worst" loss because he lost to the guy with 2 losses.  Or that Parco had the most "quality wins".  Etc.  We all know the arguments as to why any of the guys would get the 1, but people defaulted to the PSU guys logic, and I believe that is based on the "PSU bump."  People give PSU the benefit of the doubt (and I'm not even saying that is unearned.)

Edited 4 hours ago by VakAttack

[VakAttack]

4 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

Search your feelings, Vak. You know it to be true. You are a PSU fan. The dark (blue) side beckons.

[nhs67]

34 minutes ago, VakAttack said:

Lol, no i would not rather be get Lovett, a much better wrestler.

EDIT: You're confusing the argument as to why SVN should get the 1 with the reason why most people defaulted to that argument.  You could just as easily argue SVN had the "worst" loss because he lost to the guy with 2 losses.  Or that Parco had the most "quality wins".  Etc.  We all know the arguments as to why any of the guys would get the 1, but people defaulted to the PSU guys logic, and I believe that is based on the "PSU bump."  People give PSU the benefit of the doubt (and I'm not even saying that is unearned.)

I understand what you're selling there.

I disagree with it myself, but I believe you're correct in that there is a current, possibly natural, bias there.

Edit:  To be clear, I am conceding that you are more than likely correct in your initial statement of it being because he is a PSU guy that I gave you credit for.

Edited 4 hours ago by nhs67

[Gus]

5 minutes ago, nhs67 said:

I understand what you're selling there.

I disagree with it myself, but I believe you're correct in that there is a current, possibly natural, bias there.

Edit:  To be clear, I am conceding that you are more than likely correct in your initial statement of it being because he is a PSU guy that I gave you credit for.

What @VakAttack is describing is truly only possible with a computer program looking at the results though. The case for Parco over SVN is assuaged by the H2H win and the inherent PSU bias (which is probably deserved). None are astonied by the results of the seeding. 

[Hammerlock3]

7 hours ago, 11986 said:

No fair Penn State has two guys at 174

174 lbs.

1) Levi Haines (PSU)

Carson Kharcla (OSU)

Lenny Pinto (PSU)

more seriously, a Turley / Pinto quarterfinal could be fun. 

I'll do a hot take, Turley makes finals!