Seed & Allocation Discussion

[Husker_Du]

it's getting to be that time

i did analysis for B1G Seeds and B12 Seeds (let me know where i messed up)

and The Pirate just came out with Allocations (if the season ended today). I haven't gone thru it thoroughly yet but Davis makes the cut; Teemer doesn't.

 

[Winners Circle]

12 minutes ago, Husker_Du said:

it's getting to be that time

i did analysis for B1G Seeds and B12 Seeds (let me know where i messed up)

and The Pirate just came out with Allocations (if the season ended today). I haven't gone thru it thoroughly yet but Davis makes the cut; Teemer doesn't.

 

Assuming Teemer wrestles B1G's, I would imagine that means he's healthy enough to steal a spot (otherwise he'd default out). I assume he'd still a spot from Harer (depending on how brackets fall). Then Harer would have to hope for WC, which I would assume he'd get but you never know. Not sure if there's anything to comment on, just wanted to chime in somehow.

[SetonHallPirate]

Teemer is going to need to win all three of his remaining matches or else he’s going to need to get onto either my police blotter or an at-large bid.

[ionel]

3 minutes ago, SetonHallPirate said:

Teemer is going to need to win all three of his remaining matches or else he’s going to need to get onto either my police blotter or an at-large bid.

You don't think a #1 to #3 ranked wrestler can't win b10? 

[Wrestleknownothing]

26 minutes ago, SetonHallPirate said:

Teemer is going to need to win all three of his remaining matches or else he’s going to need to get onto either my police blotter or an at-large bid.

I forget how the police blotter works. Can you refresh my memory?

[BigRedFan]

26 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

I forget how the police blotter works. Can you refresh my memory?

The police blotter involves theft (or, in wrestling vernacular, stealing something that he didn't earn).

[MPhillips]

25 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

I forget how the police blotter works. Can you refresh my memory?

It's like a Rorschach but for cops...

[Husker_Du]

what SHP is saying is, he needs the match count to qualify for an AQ.

if he doesn't he'll have to steal a bid (and go on the blotter)

[SetonHallPirate]

2 minutes ago, Husker_Du said:

what SHP is saying is, he needs the match count to qualify for an AQ.

if he doesn't he'll have to steal a bid (and go on the blotter)

And the winning percentage. 2-1 over these last three won’t cut it (and Askey, Chumbley, and Fish are no gimmies).

[ionel]

4 minutes ago, MPhillips said:

It's like a Rorschach but for cops...

... and for the dummies in the back?  

[MPhillips]

7 minutes ago, ionel said:

... and for the dummies in the back?  

[wrestlingfan22]

As it stands B1G 157 will be a bloodbath on Pirate's Police Blotter

Teemer, Chumbley and Sasso/Cannon all looking to commit some major thievery. 

[ionel]

1 hour ago, MPhillips said:

... an Iowa and PSU wrestler simultaneously shooting lefty high crotch ... what did I win? 

[MPhillips]

12 minutes ago, ionel said:

... an Iowa and PSU wrestler simultaneously shooting lefty high crotch

Folks smashing their head against their screen every time you correct the spelling of Mesenbrink...

[ionel]

5 minutes ago, MPhillips said:

Folks smashing their head against their screen every time you correct the spelling of Mesenbrink...

 ... I can see that ...

[SetonHallPirate]

5 hours ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

I forget how the police blotter works. Can you refresh my memory?

Thief: wrestler who didn’t earn a bid during the regular season, but qualified for nationals through an allocated slot.

Victim: wrestler who earned a bid during the regular season, but failed to qualify for nationals through an allocated slot, and has to go through the at-large process as a result.

Edited Friday at 03:26 AM by SetonHallPirate

[D3 for LU]

AND for the WrestlingFan that gets to witness all this going down...

PRICELESS.

D3

Edited Friday at 10:45 AM by D3 for LU

[Husker_Du]

Pirate, 

could you give us a list of the big(ger) stars right now that have not met the cut yet? 

[nhs67]

@SetonHallPirate

[SetonHallPirate]

4 hours ago, Husker_Du said:

Pirate, 

could you give us a list of the big(ger) stars right now that have not met the cut yet? 

Top-20 Intermat-ranked guys who wouldn't have earned an allocation:

125: None
133: #1 Ryan Crookham (Lehigh), #13 Kai Orine (NC State), #19 Tyler Wells (Minnesota)
141: #15 Mosha Schwartz (Oklahoma)
149: #8 Ethan Stiles (Oregon State)
157: #3 Jacori Teemer (Iowa), #9 Trevor Chumbley (Northwestern), #17 Sammy Sasso (Ohio State), #19 Cobe Siebrecht (South Dakota State)
165: #9 Paddy Gallagher (Ohio State), #15 Cam Steed (Missouri)
174: #1 Keegan O'Toole (Missouri), #17 MJ Gaitan (Iowa State), #20 Josh Ogunsanya (North Carolina)|
184: #14 Dylan Fishback (NC State), #18 Ryder Rogotzke (Ohio State)
197: #12 Andy Smith (Virginia Tech), #15 Zach Glazier (South Dakota State), #19 Mickey O'Malley (Drexel)
285: None 

[BruceyB]

2 minutes ago, SetonHallPirate said:

Top-20 Intermat-ranked guys who wouldn't have earned an allocation:

125: None
133: #1 Ryan Crookham (Lehigh), #13 Kai Orine (NC State), #19 Tyler Wells (Minnesota)
141: #15 Mosha Schwartz (Oklahoma)
149: #8 Ethan Stiles (Oregon State)
157: #3 Jacori Teemer (Iowa), #9 Trevor Chumbley (Northwestern), #17 Sammy Sasso (Ohio State), #19 Cobe Siebrecht (South Dakota State)
165: #9 Paddy Gallagher (Ohio State), #15 Cam Steed (Missouri)
174: #1 Keegan O'Toole (Missouri), #17 MJ Gaitan (Iowa State), #20 Josh Ogunsanya (North Carolina)|
184: #14 Dylan Fishback (NC State), #18 Ryder Rogotzke (Ohio State)
197: #12 Andy Smith (Virginia Tech), #15 Zach Glazier (South Dakota State), #19 Mickey O'Malley (Drexel)
285: None 

What is the rational for allocations being earned rather than granted via rankings? It seems like the match minimum barring highly ranked wrestlers from earning an allocation only punishes the fringe qualifiers. Am I missing something?

[Mr. PeanutButter]

It would never happen and would sow a lot of chaos (which I love) but I'd love to see random draw be implemented but implement it for only a couple, random weights 

[BruceyB]

1 minute ago, Mr. PeanutButter said:

It would never happen and would sow a lot of chaos (which I love) but I'd love to see random draw be implemented but implement it for only a couple, random weights 

The NCAA tournament...?

[ionel]

2 minutes ago, Mr. PeanutButter said:

It would never happen and would sow a lot of chaos (which I love) but I'd love to see random draw be implemented but implement it for only a couple, random weights 

What about different random poster recommendations implemented at different random weights? 

[Wrestleknownothing]

50 minutes ago, BruceyB said:

What is the rational for allocations being earned rather than granted via rankings? It seems like the match minimum barring highly ranked wrestlers from earning an allocation only punishes the fringe qualifiers. Am I missing something?

Rankings are subject even though they claim not to be.

And choosing one would be problematic. They often differ in important ways.

And taking an average of many has problems too. How do you deal with a situation where one ranking has a wrestler included and another does not, like we saw with Teemer at various points?

The nice things about the rules based method is it becomes clear what a wrestler needs to do to qualify or earn an allocation. The same cannot be said about rankings.