How smart is the Okie state staff

[MizzouFan01]

Disclaimer I couldn’t think of a good title to this post, however I will get to the point.

I was reading the Flo article on Brayden Thompson transferring to Stillwater High to finish off his senior season. Huge news, a top recruit gets DQ’d and then leaves for whatever reason. It happens, we all know it. Big recruits join new schools all the time. However in the comments there was a comment that made 1 million % sense. It got me to thinking why it doesn’t happen way more often. We all know he’s committed to Okie State for college. However the comment which stated the move is helping Okie State. How, after 1 year as an Oklahoma resident, he will now be a resident thus allowing/being cheaper on scholarship money as an in instate tuition. Makes sense. I don’t know all the ins and outs or even if it’s true but it does make sense. He’s not the first and probably won’t be the last Okie State wrestler to move-in as a high schooler prior to joining OSU. I mean Teague Travis, the Ferraris, Beric jones have all moved after committing. Iowa, has had this happen also, Franklin and Gabe Arnold. If it works out for the school, I’m surprised more schools don’t have this happen. Now I’m not affiliated to either school nor any of the wrestlers and I could be way off base. But it does make sense for the 9.9. If a family can afford to make the move, helping the school they might give more in money or however scholarships work, which I’m not familiar with. So if a kid commits and isn’t gonna waver it makes way to much sense for both. Come as a SR get the year under your belt, meet in state criteria and it’s helps everyone. Maybe the criteria is different state to state, but my opinion Okie state found a way, to make it work. 

[flyingcement]

Victor Voinovich also did that for them.  Does sound smart on the one hand.  On the other hand could be less than ideal for some to have family so close by when they are supposed to becoming more independent.

[ionel]

The title seemed like a question but I never found an actual question or a question mark.  

[MizzouFan01]

18 minutes ago, ionel said:

The title seemed like a question but I never found an actual question or a question mark.  

My apologies, like I stated I couldn’t think of a good topic so I just went with it. 

[Antitroll2828]

23 minutes ago, MizzouFan01 said:

Disclaimer I couldn’t think of a good title to this post, however I will get to the point.

I was reading the Flo article on Brayden Thompson transferring to Stillwater High to finish off his senior season. Huge news, a top recruit gets DQ’d and then leaves for whatever reason. It happens, we all know it. Big recruits join new schools all the time. However in the comments there was a comment that made 1 million % sense. It got me to thinking why it doesn’t happen way more often. We all know he’s committed to Okie State for college. However the comment which stated the move is helping Okie State. How, after 1 year as an Oklahoma resident, he will now be a resident thus allowing/being cheaper on scholarship money as an in instate tuition. Makes sense. I don’t know all the ins and outs or even if it’s true but it does make sense. He’s not the first and probably won’t be the last Okie State wrestler to move-in as a high schooler prior to joining OSU. I mean Teague Travis, the Ferraris, Beric jones have all moved after committing. Iowa, has had this happen also, Franklin and Gabe Arnold. If it works out for the school, I’m surprised more schools don’t have this happen. Now I’m not affiliated to either school nor any of the wrestlers and I could be way off base. But it does make sense for the 9.9. If a family can afford to make the move, helping the school they might give more in money or however scholarships work, which I’m not familiar with. So if a kid commits and isn’t gonna waver it makes way to much sense for both. Come as a SR get the year under your belt, meet in state criteria and it’s helps everyone. Maybe the criteria is different state to state, but my opinion Okie state found a way, to make it work. 

Penn state does it too but it you have to move a full year prior to college to establish residency in pa , but the Lee family and Nevilles,  all moved to happy valley prior to enrollment 

[MizzouFan01]

12 minutes ago, Antitroll2828 said:

Penn state does it too but it you have to move a full year prior to college to establish residency in pa , but the Lee family and Nevilles,  all moved to happy valley prior to enrollment 

To me it just makes sense. The kid gets acclimated to the area he will spend the next 5 yrs, and the school saves on scholly money. Possibly using the saved money to use on an out of state recruit that didn’t want to move. 

[bnwtwg]

Now say the reason the knucklehead got dq’d out of Doc B and upon the looming consequences decided to transfer (supposedly)

[MizzouFan01]

8 minutes ago, bnwtwg said:

Now say the reason the knucklehead got dq’d out of Doc B and upon the looming consequences decided to transfer (supposedly)

I’m aware based on what I’ve read here and other forums. Folks move/transfer for several reasons, I’ll leave it at that. But the article stated he’s moving with his family and personal coach, so I’m sure he moved for academics

[Idaho]

Rogers family also moved from Washington to Stillwater. 

[ionel]

1 hour ago, MizzouFan01 said:

To me it just makes sense. The kid gets acclimated to the area he will spend the next 5 yrs, and the school saves on scholly money. Possibly using the saved money to use on an out of state recruit that didn’t want to move. 

Its been happening for awhile.  Not always but more often its when one sibling accepts a scholarship and the family moves so can watch both kids wrestle (college & high school).  This was the case for the Rogers family and more recent examples F and V.  Its probably easier to do now with more remote work options. 

[ionel]

5 minutes ago, Idaho said:

Rogers family also moved from Washington to Stillwater. 

Beat me with the short quick post, dirty rat. 

[flyingcement]

13 minutes ago, ionel said:

Its been happening for awhile.  Not always but more often its when one sibling accepts a scholarship and the family moves so can watch both kids wrestle (college & high school).  This was the case for the Rogers family and more recent examples F and V.  Its probably easier to do now with more remote work options. 

I know people who have also done this for reasons outside of sports.  If you want to go to a certain school and it's a state school.  Could be worth considering moving to the state and lower your tuition (depending on cost of moving)

[ionel]

3 minutes ago, flyingcement said:

I know people who have also done this for reasons outside of sports.  If you want to go to a certain school and it's a state school.  Could be worth considering moving to the state and lower your tuition (depending on cost of moving)

And maybe the family just wanted to get out of Illinois, can you blame them?  

[scourge165]

2 hours ago, MizzouFan01 said:

Disclaimer I couldn’t think of a good title to this post, however I will get to the point.

I was reading the Flo article on Brayden Thompson transferring to Stillwater High to finish off his senior season. Huge news, a top recruit gets DQ’d and then leaves for whatever reason. It happens, we all know it. Big recruits join new schools all the time. However in the comments there was a comment that made 1 million % sense. It got me to thinking why it doesn’t happen way more often. We all know he’s committed to Okie State for college. However the comment which stated the move is helping Okie State. How, after 1 year as an Oklahoma resident, he will now be a resident thus allowing/being cheaper on scholarship money as an in instate tuition. Makes sense. I don’t know all the ins and outs or even if it’s true but it does make sense. He’s not the first and probably won’t be the last Okie State wrestler to move-in as a high schooler prior to joining OSU. I mean Teague Travis, the Ferraris, Beric jones have all moved after committing. Iowa, has had this happen also, Franklin and Gabe Arnold. If it works out for the school, I’m surprised more schools don’t have this happen. Now I’m not affiliated to either school nor any of the wrestlers and I could be way off base. But it does make sense for the 9.9. If a family can afford to make the move, helping the school they might give more in money or however scholarships work, which I’m not familiar with. So if a kid commits and isn’t gonna waver it makes way to much sense for both. Come as a SR get the year under your belt, meet in state criteria and it’s helps everyone. Maybe the criteria is different state to state, but my opinion Okie state found a way, to make it work. 

Can someone explain this to me though? How is the school saving money?

I can see how the student would be. Say you get 50%...does it really matter to the program or the school from their end?

Wouldn't it matter more for the athlete who's still got to pay that 50%? Obviously most Wrestlers aren't getting 100% full rides. Those are...very rare. 

I remember a couple of kids on my team being pretty excited when they qualified for in-state(IIRC, it was 2 years after establishing residency). The Athletic Dept was pretty good at working with them and helping in that regard from what I understand...but I don't quite get how it helps the program? It's not like they pay for the scholarship, right? They're not paying 40,000$ to the school if a kid is on full scholarship...?

 

Looks like everyone is pretty much in agreement on this thread, so tell me what I'm getting wrong here? Obviously it's something.

[Alces Alces Gigas]

Many teams only have X amount of cash or scholarship equivalency to apply towards scholarships.  So any savings by taking advantage of instate tuition can be applied to other wrestlers . 

 

 

[Bulldog]

Do wrestling programs get the equilivent cash of 9.9 out of state scholarships that can distribute how they want?  For example of the pretend University of New State charged $50.000 for out of state students the wrestling program has $495,000 to spread around?

[scourge165]

18 minutes ago, Bulldog said:

Do wrestling programs get the equilivent cash of 9.9 out of state scholarships that can distribute how they want?  For example of the pretend University of New State charged $50.000 for out of state students the wrestling program has $495,000 to spread around?

That was my understanding. A scholarship was a scholarship. It didn't cost the Wrestling program more to take a kid from out of state than it did in-state. 

There were guys we lost because we didn't have reciprocity and we only offered partials, but it didn't cost US more to give them scholarships. But I was a student...so I don't know if that's the norm or if it's different from program to program perhaps, conference to conference. 

[82bordeaux]

3 hours ago, Bulldog said:

Do wrestling programs get the equilivent cash of 9.9 out of state scholarships that can distribute how they want?  For example of the pretend University of New State charged $50.000 for out of state students the wrestling program has $495,000 to spread around?

Only Dan Gable got that deal.

[MPhillips]

2 hours ago, scourge165 said:

That was my understanding. A scholarship was a scholarship. It didn't cost the Wrestling program more to take a kid from out of state than it did in-state. 

If an out of state kid has to pay $10 and an in state kid has to pay $7 and the said kid is getting 50% scholarship wouldn't there be a savings of $1.50 in scholarship money to spread around to other kids?  

Not directed at you @scourge165. Just needed a post for reference. 

[gimpeltf]

10 minutes ago, MPhillips said:

If an out of state kid has to pay $10 and an in state kid has to pay $7 and the said kid is getting 50% scholarship wouldn't there be a savings of $1.50 in scholarship money to spread around to other kids?  

Not directed at you @scourge165. Just needed a post for reference. 

Creative accounting aside- like some B1G schools did in the 90s, a scholarship for an out of state costs $10 and in state $7 so no. Nothing to spread around. They cost what they cost.

[MPhillips]

17 minutes ago, gimpeltf said:

Nothing to spread around. They cost what they cost.

So the 9.9 is 9.9 no matter what. Which is what I believed. Thanks gimp.

Which makes this patently false...

9 hours ago, MizzouFan01 said:

How, after 1 year as an Oklahoma resident, he will now be a resident thus allowing/being cheaper on scholarship money as an in instate tuition.

 

[gimpeltf]

37 minutes ago, MPhillips said:

So the 9.9 is 9.9 no matter what. Which is what I believed. Thanks gimp.

Which makes this patently false...

How, after 1 year as an Oklahoma resident, he will now be a resident thus allowing/being cheaper on scholarship money as an in instate tuition.

Couldn't find what you quoted (other than mine) so I pasted in.

The statement isn't entirely false though. Depends on what was intended.

It wouldn't allow being able to use more money on scholarships elsewhere assuming the school uses all 9.9. However, it's not funny money and might allow the athletic department to use it somewhere else. Lehigh has a large percentage of scholarships (at one point 9 of 9.9) endowed with the normal school funding dealing with the rest. We don't have instate/out of state issues being private but, for example, a few years ago two of our kids had non-wrestling physical issues that caused them to have to quit the sport. The school continued to honor the scholarships from the endowed fund. So we didn't go 9.9 for a couple years as a result. Another school might use other money to do this. They might fund the former scholarships from non-athletic funding. But again, if you're saying they could pay more in scholarships because one kid is instate, you were correct. If they had a scenario where a scholarship was $1 in a particular instance, they might only be able to have to spend $9.90 total.  It might free up money for something else but not for scholarships.

 

[MPhillips]

34 minutes ago, gimpeltf said:

Couldn't find what you quoted (other than mine) so I pasted in.

No worries. It was from the opening post a few sentences in.

34 minutes ago, gimpeltf said:

if you're saying they could pay more in scholarships because one kid is instate, you were correct.

I believe that was what the original post was getting at. I was just looking for confirmation. I'm still not sure. Lolol.

Cheers.

Edited January 11, 2023 by MPhillips

[Idaho]

Some states offer scholarships and grants that are only for their in-state kids to go to their in-state schools. 

As a side note, does this only really pertain to the  mid/upper level recruits and not the elite recruits?  It seems the direction that things are going is that the NIL for elite athletes is in some ways replacing the traditional scholarship route. Donors who are giving large amounts to a program probably aren't going to be too concerned about dropping 10k for kid to get the rest of the tuition paid for.  Obviously, another example of the more money and donors a program has, the more kids they can grab up. 

[jchapman]

In-state kid might pay less total money on 30% athletic than getting 75% as an out-of-state kid.  School saves 45% of a scholarship.  Everyone is happy.