Is Ohio State Cooked?

[Hammerlock3]

3 hours ago, MPhillips said:

I want new assistant coaches. Ryan can CEO.

ditto!

[pokemonster]

23 minutes ago, Hammerlock3 said:

ditto!

Y'all wanna get rid of Stieber?

[BruceyB]

4 minutes ago, pokemonster said:

Y'all wanna get rid of Stieber?

Probably goes with Mendez all the time. 

[Hammerlock3]

1 minute ago, pokemonster said:

Y'all wanna get rid of Stieber?

if you're asking for my gut feeling I'd say yes. 

There is a kind of trickle down from Jaggers to Stieber to Mendez. The idea being Jaggers must be a good coach because of steiber and one or both of them must be a good coach because now mendez. I don't really see it in the wrestling, as opposed to someone like AJ Schopp whose wrestling you can see in many very successful people he coaches. 

[ionel]

2 hours ago, MPhillips said:

It's impressive that anyone reads Bucknuts...

... only the dummies in ... well you know

[Idaho]

2 hours ago, PortaJohn said:

I wont allow it.  We have a defense law team for this.  myself, @ionel, & @Idaho will represent you

You rang? 

[BruceyB]

Maybe I'm in the minority, but I think Ohio State has equipped themselves very well as a program that hasn't been able to land any major transfers in this current landscape. They are still in recruiting and development mode at the moment, and have a very respectable line-up which will only be improved next year.

Show me Iowa or Oklahoma State's line-ups this year if they didn't bring in reinforcements over the off season? Unfortunately, it doesn't appear Ohio State is competitive when it comes to bringing in transfers. It also doesn't help that Tom Ryan has expressed disapproval of the current system where you give up on a guy if he isn't producing right away and bring in a transfer to replace him. It's become a cutthroat game between development and replacement.

[Fadzaev2]

I hear where everyone is coming from, but I didn't hear mention of the fact that 2 guys on the "team" came close to dying, and are fighting back.  Of course I'm talking about Sammy Sasso and head Coach Tom Ryan...I'm not an OSU fan, but I am a Tom Ryan fan.  He's had some really good teams/individuals, including the national title in 2015.  I like to think he'll do all the right things.

[The Kid]

7 minutes ago, Fadzaev2 said:

I hear where everyone is coming from, but I didn't hear mention of the fact that 2 guys on the "team" came close to dying, and are fighting back.  Of course I'm talking about Sammy Sasso and head Coach Tom Ryan...I'm not an OSU fan, but I am a Tom Ryan fan.  He's had some really good teams/individuals, including the national title in 2015.  I like to think he'll do all the right things.

He was the only coach who would let Snyder focus on freestyle over folkstyle.  That alone, is one of the best coaching decisions in recent wrestling history.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

[bnwtwg]

1 hour ago, BruceyB said:

Maybe I'm in the minority, but I think Ohio State has equipped themselves very well as a program that hasn't been able to land any major transfers in this current landscape. They are still in recruiting and development mode at the moment, and have a very respectable line-up which will only be improved next year.

Show me Iowa or Oklahoma State's line-ups this year if they didn't bring in reinforcements over the off season? Unfortunately, it doesn't appear Ohio State is competitive when it comes to bringing in transfers. It also doesn't help that Tom Ryan has expressed disapproval of the current system where you give up on a guy if he isn't producing right away and bring in a transfer to replace him. It's become a cutthroat game between development and replacement.

Tom Ryan won't vaccine his own kids against smallpox but he vaccinated his college kids against the deadly transfer portal virus

[Gus]

Ohio state is not, in fact, cooked. 

[scorenomore]

A couple of observations:

1 tOSU cannot compete with the top programs from a financial perspective right now

2 the culture on the team is top notch. I’ve seen these guys at tournaments follow around and cheer for each other and coach one another. Only other program that I see do this is at the same level is Penn state. 
3 there is some inbreeding with the coaching staff and that probably is part by design but maybe not the best for the program.  I will say that there isn’t a program not named Penn state that has outperformed Ohio state for the past 10 years when balancing on the mat results with character and consistency. 
4 the experience at the Covelli and the facilities are top 4 and I think that is where OSU will remain unless major money or restrictions come in play. 
5 where I think OSU can go from here is that it would need to think outside the box and build a wrestling business model and not rely on donors as much since heavy hitters that love wrestling are in short supply. 

[Paul158]

29 minutes ago, Gus said:

Ohio state is not, in fact, cooked. 

I think the last 6 years or so have been tough to navigate. You had covid. We would have had 2 Champs that year (Moore and Pletcher). You have had 5th,6th, 7th, and 8th year wrestlers with 5 years of competing eligibility. Now we have the one year hired gun, Portal. The lay of the land has changed dramatically. I personally think the next 3 years will be good if we can keep everyone healthy.

[Wrestleknownothing]

2 minutes ago, scorenomore said:

A couple of observations:

1 tOSU cannot compete with the top programs from a financial perspective right now

2 the culture on the team is top notch. I’ve seen these guys at tournaments follow around and cheer for each other and coach one another. Only other program that I see do this is at the same level is Penn state. 
3 there is some inbreeding with the coaching staff and that probably is part by design but maybe not the best for the program.  I will say that there isn’t a program not named Penn state that has outperformed Ohio state for the past 10 years when balancing on the mat results with character and consistency. 
4 the experience at the Covelli and the facilities are top 4 and I think that is where OSU will remain unless major money or restrictions come in play. 
5 where I think OSU can go from here is that it would need to think outside the box and build a wrestling business model and not rely on donors as much since heavy hitters that love wrestling are in short supply. 

It is wild that they can not compete financially at a school that is believed to spend more on sports than any other.

"Ohio State spent $274.9 million on athletics in 2022-23, according to data in Sportico’s college finance database, by far the most among all public schools.

Before the start of the season, Bjork told Yahoo Sports that the football team’s players were promised “around $20 million” via NIL deals from the Buckeyes’ donor-led collective and its affiliates."

[Paul158]

2 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

It is wild that they can not compete financially at a school that is believed to spend more on sports than any other.

"Ohio State spent $274.9 million on athletics in 2022-23, according to data in Sportico’s college finance database, by far the most among all public schools.

Before the start of the season, Bjork told Yahoo Sports that the football team’s players were promised “around $20 million” via NIL deals from the Buckeyes’ donor-led collective and its affiliates."

You said the magic word "FOOTBALL".  I think adapting to the new landscape of wrestling world is imperative for future success. Having two of your better wrestlers, (Sasso and Kharchla) one recovering from a horrific shooting and the other from multiple injuries and surgeries doesn't make things any easier.

[Wrestleknownothing]

Just now, Paul158 said:

You said the magic word "FOOTBALL".  I think adapting to the new landscape of wrestling world is imperative for future success. Having two of your better wrestlers, (Sasso and Kharchla) one recovering from a horrific shooting and the other from multiple injuries and surgeries doesn't make things any easier.

No doubt. And it worked. I am just surprised there aren't more crumbs for a sport where they have recently won a national championship.

[MPhillips]

5 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

I am just surprised there aren't more crumbs for a sport where they have recently won a national championship.

It's something...

[pokemonster]

1 hour ago, bnwtwg said:

Tom Ryan won't vaccine his own kids against smallpox but he vaccinated his college kids against the deadly transfer portal virus

This had me dying, thank you sir 

[BruceyB]

20 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

No doubt. And it worked. I am just surprised there aren't more crumbs for a sport where they have recently won a national championship.

I am curious how it works behind the scenes with a collective. If I'm a wealthy alumnus and I want to donate to the NIL, can I donate to just fund the wrestling program? How much does the pull of the massive revenue gained for the school by having a national champion football team pull from money that could be spent elsewhere? Iowa and Oklahoma State have very rich wrestling traditions and are part of their states culture.

I am curious why it doesn't seem to be an issue for Penn State as they also were not near the program they are now before Cael and company. I don't know if they truly have deeper pockets or if the allure of their success allows them to secure athletes for less money.

It is hard to believe that in such a wrestling rich state you would have issues to compete financially when they have so much NIL money over all, as you said.

[pokemonster]

35 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

No doubt. And it worked. I am just surprised there aren't more crumbs for a sport where they have recently won a national championship.

I'm genuinely baffled that Ohio State doesn't have the funds to compete with the heavy hitters considering how much $ the school brings in in general. It's like a money printing machine. I thought the NIL era would benefit the Buckeyes if anything, not hurt it...

[pokemonster]

3 minutes ago, BruceyB said:

It is hard to believe that in such a wrestling rich state you would have issues to compete financially when they have so much NIL money over all, as you said.

Not to mention that Ohio State is the only ranked D1 wrestling program in the state and there's very few in general. What is there, Kent State, Cleveland State (on the way out), Ohio University... Anyone else?

[Wrestleknownothing]

6 minutes ago, BruceyB said:

I am curious how it works behind the scenes with a collective. If I'm a wealthy alumnus and I want to donate to the NIL, can I donate to just fund the wrestling program? How much does the pull of the massive revenue gained for the school by having a national champion football team pull from money that could be spent elsewhere? Iowa and Oklahoma State have very rich wrestling traditions and are part of their states culture.

I am curious why it doesn't seem to be an issue for Penn State as they also were not near the program they are now before Cael and company. I don't know if they truly have deeper pockets or if the allure of their success allows them to secure athletes for less money.

It is hard to believe that in such a wrestling rich state you would have issues to compete financially when they have so much NIL money over all, as you said.

I am curious about all those things too

[1032004]

42 minutes ago, pokemonster said:

I'm genuinely baffled that Ohio State doesn't have the funds to compete with the heavy hitters considering how much $ the school brings in in general. It's like a money printing machine. I thought the NIL era would benefit the Buckeyes if anything, not hurt it...

It was the early days of NIL, but pretty sure NIL helped get them Mendez/Bouzakis/Feldman.  So I’m sure they’ve got funds.  They just haven’t really gotten any big name transfers yet.  I know Ryan has commented on that they did go after some, just weren’t able to land them.

 

[BruceyB]

46 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

I am curious about all those things too

From everything I've ever heard Tom Ryan say, it also appears that he is very deliberate about who he brings into his program, and cares about the culture and integrity of the team as much as the talent. I wonder how much this effects his willingness to recruit over guys and bring in outsiders that may improve the line-up but negatively effect the culture they have built. I think a large part of the reason recruits choose Ohio State is because of how genuine Tom Ryan is, and how much he truly cares about his relationships with his athletes. Who has transferred out of tOSU? Traub and Tessari are the only two I can think of. I'm not including Kerk because he didn't even spend his RS year there.

[Mr. PeanutButter]

I'm cautiously optimistic that The Tan Tom University can start cooking with peanut oil in the next 2 years. Get Davino in the lineup, continue to progress Bouzer and Gallagher, get Sasso back on track, gear up Feldman for top 3 and figure out something between 184 and 197. It's a lot (I'm probably overlooking eligibility) and I think there are valid concerns regarding development recently, but I think Tan Tom and his bronze battalions should not be underestimated. As an aside, I think it's funny that none of the wrestlers have had a noticeable tan in at least 5 years. You might not though