mspart Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 Also, I have seen where a guy gets a takedown and turns him and gets 2. I have never understood this. It's as if you do it all in one move, you get less points. That seems backwards to me. If you have control, and turn, or vice-versa, you get 2 takedown and whatever the exposure yields. mspart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadzaev2 Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 On 9/16/2024 at 12:07 AM, SocraTease said: Limit the number of times you can leg lace or gut someone to 2 in one sequence. That seems reasonable to me to prevent early ends of a match and keep things interesting. We use to have a limit on number of consecutive guts.....maybe lacelegs as well.....I agree with this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crotalus Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 We use to have a limit on number of consecutive guts.....maybe lacelegs as well.....I agree with this.I'm pretty sure there was a time when you had to release the hold, similar to folk, before you could turn again. Anyways, I think bringing back the blood rags guys had to show the ref and then tuck in their singlet would be a great improvement. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crotalus Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 Also, I have seen where a guy gets a takedown and turns him and gets 2. It's really the opposite. If you expose your opponent from neutral (but not standing) and then end up on top, you get the 2pt exposure but no takedown. I don't have a problem with it, but it is a bit curious. It certainly incentives the defensive wrestler to bail out and give up control so as to not get exposed again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnwtwg Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 2 hours ago, Fadzaev2 said: We use to have a limit on number of consecutive guts.....maybe lacelegs as well.....I agree with this. Back in my day you had to change directions on guts and laces to score more points but you could still go consecutively until tech. I would like to see it come back but with the pace tournaments are currently at bringing review to that scenario would inevitably make things worse. i am an idiot on the internet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimJustafan Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 goodbye to grounding control should need to be established before you can score exposure points add OT - no more ending a match with a tie score 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kid Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 (edited) 3 hours ago, GimJustafan said: goodbye to grounding control should need to be established before you can score exposure points add OT - no more ending a match with a tie score Yes, goodbye to grounding. No. You always have control if you expose your opponent. You literally can't accidentally expose your opponent. No. There is never a tie in freestyle. One wrestler is always winning and vica versa. There simply aren't any tie bouts now. Edited October 24 by The Kid 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimJustafan Posted October 25 Share Posted October 25 13 hours ago, The Kid said: Yes, goodbye to grounding. No. You always have control if you expose your opponent. You literally can't accidentally expose your opponent. No. There is never a tie in freestyle. One wrestler is always winning and vica versa. There simply aren't any tie bouts now. you do not have to have control to score exposure points / it who initiates the action but control is not always awarded I'm well aware of that but let's be honest talking ways to improve freestyle criteria is BS , when score board reads 4-4 is that not a tie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interviewed_at_Weehawken Posted October 25 Share Posted October 25 3 minutes ago, GimJustafan said: you do not have to have control to score exposure points / it who initiates the action but control is not always awarded I'm well aware of that but let's be honest talking ways to improve freestyle criteria is BS , when score board reads 4-4 is that not a tie Just give a point to the guy who had criteria once the match is over, similar to the OT rideout. It looks better in results. Less confusion, esp. with casuals. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 On 10/25/2024 at 6:13 AM, GimJustafan said: you do not have to have control to score exposure points / it who initiates the action but control is not always awarded I'm well aware of that but let's be honest talking ways to improve freestyle criteria is BS , when score board reads 4-4 is that not a tie _ . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scourge165 Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 This thread started...in a silly way, but 1-No criteria. Put them back into the Center and let them Wrestle until someone scores. 2-I thought the rule used to be you could only do one gut(maybe it was 2) unless you held them there for a 3rd point. I wouldn't mind that. That's about it. I think there's too much trying to "fix" what's not broken. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scouts Honor Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 not putting world champs against each other first round 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scourge165 Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 1 hour ago, Scouts Honor said: not putting world champs against each other first round All you can do is just...laugh at the absurdity or it. I'm not real confident Taylor will place now...but he could come back and have a chance to go for 3rd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scouts Honor Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 not to mention burroughs against the iranian a rematch of a finals match 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maligned Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 On 10/25/2024 at 3:13 PM, GimJustafan said: you do not have to have control to score exposure points / it who initiates the action but control is not always awarded I'm well aware of that but let's be honest talking ways to improve freestyle criteria is BS , when score board reads 4-4 is that not a tie I get the annoyance with what the scoreboard reads, but the wrestlers know mentally the bonus value of scoring or giving something up in certain moments. And the wrestling shows it. If it's 3-3 with one guy's name underlined, the wrestling on the mat reflects a score of 4 to 3--it doesn't matter what the board says. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maligned Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 On 10/27/2024 at 5:44 AM, scourge165 said: 1-No criteria. Put them back into the Center and let them Wrestle until someone scores. We know practically this can't happen unless passivity is prominently involved in many matches. We've been down the subjective passivity-decides-matches road historically. It's a disaster. I'd much rather the current system where wrestlers know the rules full well and determine the winner themselves. Knowing the passivity nightmare we would have in OT, I can live with certain takedowns or step outs having slightly extra value in context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scourge165 Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 20 hours ago, maligned said: We know practically this can't happen unless passivity is prominently involved in many matches. We've been down the subjective passivity-decides-matches road historically. It's a disaster. I'd much rather the current system where wrestlers know the rules full well and determine the winner themselves. Knowing the passivity nightmare we would have in OT, I can live with certain takedowns or step outs having slightly extra value in context. Fine, get rid if passivity. Let a guy stall in the 'Extra time,' or sudden death period. No shot clocks. I don't care. TD or push out. There's subjectivity in everything though. I'd still rather see the actually win than each guy gets a TD and a pushout, but the last pushout is somehow more meaningful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maligned Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 4 hours ago, scourge165 said: Fine, get rid if passivity. Let a guy stall in the 'Extra time,' or sudden death period. No shot clocks. I don't care. TD or push out. There's subjectivity in everything though. I'd still rather see the actually win than each guy gets a TD and a pushout, but the last pushout is somehow more meaningful Kind of like a rideout the last few seconds of regulation, OT, and UTB has 3 different meanings in college? Again, we know the stakes going in of each score earned--so the one exerting their will when it matters slightly more IS "actually winning." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spladle08 Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 This "Improve freestyle by turning it into what I'm used to (Folkstyle)" Will always be the least interesting posts on here. "I cant believe you can just be laced off the mat, thats not fair" "I never know who is winning" "In folkstyle you have to show you are better with riding time" "where's the overtime, I can't believe they have to score to win, it should go to ride-outs damnit" "I can't believe they don't wrestle a full consis bracket, why fly halfway around the world to lose opening round and be done, that's not what I'm used to" Obviously where this kind of talk gets traction, so will the "I can't believe 2 unseeded wrestlers got paired up first round, they should've changed the seeding criteria to create the kind of bracket I would prefer to see, but only at this weight, because it's unique and everything needs to go as I say" 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPhillips Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 2 hours ago, Spladle08 said: This "Improve freestyle by turning it into what I'm used to (Folkstyle)" Will always be the least interesting posts on here. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnwtwg Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 3 hours ago, Spladle08 said: "In folkstyle you have to show you are better with riding time" Shot clock, ride time clock, ALL STALLING! 1 i am an idiot on the internet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveira Posted October 30 Share Posted October 30 80s/90s folkstyle refs and same time period folkstyle rules. Solved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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