How does Sanderson stack up with Kyle Dake?

[headshuck]

Sanderson finished 159-0 but he never wrestled the likes of David Taylor. However Kyle Dake did and finished 11-0 vs David Taylor in multiple styles.

[ionel]

11 minutes ago, headshuck said:

Sanderson finished 159-0 but he never wrestled the likes of David Taylor. However Kyle Dake did and finished 11-0 vs David Taylor in multiple styles.

Sanderson never lost a fantasy match. 

[Phantom]

It's hard to discredit perfection when you beat the likes of 
 

Andy Hrovat (Michigan) 4:24 FALL
Brad Vering (Nebraska) 1:58 FALL
Brandon Eggum (Minnesota) 6-1 

as a freshman.

Not to mention Jon Trenge and Daniel Cormier as finals opponents on the way to his 4. 

He didnt beat an olympic gold medalist, but an olympic medalist. Dake's one edge seems like winning at 4 weights.

[PortaJohn]

1 hour ago, headshuck said:

Sanderson finished 159-0 but he never wrestled the likes of David Taylor. However Kyle Dake did and finished 11-0 vs David Taylor in multiple styles.

Why doesn't Taylor ever get his victories over Dake at the youth level tallied into their overall head to head?

[Le duke]

It's hard to discredit perfection when you beat the likes of 
 
Andy Hrovat (Michigan) 4:24 FALL
Brad Vering (Nebraska) 1:58 FALL
Brandon Eggum (Minnesota) 6-1 
as a freshman.
Not to mention Jon Trenge and Daniel Cormier as finals opponents on the way to his 4. 
He didnt beat an olympic gold medalist, but an olympic medalist. Dake's one edge seems like winning at 4 weights.

Who was the Olympic medalist he beat in Folk? Looking at his record and stumped.


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[boconnell]

I think he uses the extra 30-50 lbs to win easily.

[Alces Alces Gigas]

Dake looked to Sanderson and his organization when he wanted to get better on the world stage, not the other way around.      That should tell you something.lol

[jackwebster]

8 hours ago, ionel said:

Sanderson never lost a fantasy match. 

An oldie but a goodie

[nhs67]

7 hours ago, PortaJohn said:

Why doesn't Taylor ever get his victories over Dake at the youth level tallied into their overall head to head?

Because he didn't have victories.

I would count the lone victory he got in their first ever match, though - personally.

That is it, though.  So 1W - 84L to Dake.

Here is a sequence of events for you.

Sharifov beat Sanderson
Sharifov beat Snyder
Taylor beat Sharifov
Dake beat Daylor

I don't think there is as direct a path to comparing Sanderson and Dake the other way (Sanderson > Dake).

[IllegalFist2Back]

Did Dake and Taylor really wrestle 11 times?  I was thinking 4-5.

[MPhillips]

Not all youth or HS results...

 

Edited July 26 by MPhillips

[PortaJohn]

48 minutes ago, nhs67 said:

Because he didn't have victories.

I would count the lone victory he got in their first ever match, though - personally.

That is it, though.  So 1W - 84L to Dake.

Here is a sequence of events for you.

Sharifov beat Sanderson
Sharifov beat Snyder
Taylor beat Sharifov
Dake beat Daylor

I don't think there is as direct a path to comparing Sanderson and Dake the other way (Sanderson > Dake).

I was joking around about the youth results but I'm pretty sure they've wrestled more than once prior to college at the youth level

[nhs67]

2 hours ago, PortaJohn said:

I was joking around about the youth results but I'm pretty sure they've wrestled more than once prior to college at the youth level

I know, I was just giving you a hard time.

[nhs67]

14 hours ago, headshuck said:

Sanderson finished 159-0 but he never wrestled the likes of David Taylor. However Kyle Dake did and finished 11-0 vs David Taylor in multiple styles.

I always was curious what would have happened had the 2xer Junior Sanderson had gone up to face fellow 2xer Senior McCoy at 197lbs a year earlier.

It's a shame both went opposite ways for MFS.

[fishbane]

54 minutes ago, nhs67 said:

I always was curious what would have happened had the 2xer Junior Sanderson had gone up to face fellow 2xer Senior McCoy at 197lbs a year earlier.

It's a shame both went opposite ways for MFS.

Who is McCoy? and which Sanderson are you talking about?

[Idaho]

10 hours ago, Alces Alces Gigas said:

Dake looked to Sanderson and his organization when he wanted to get better on the world stage, not the other way around.      That should tell you something.lol

And if their age had been flipped, so would your statement.... It's not like Sanderson could have went to 12 year old Dake. 

Edited July 26 by Idaho

[11986]

3 hours ago, nhs67 said:

I always was curious what would have happened had the 2xer Junior Sanderson had gone up to face fellow 2xer Senior McCoy at 197lbs a year earlier.

It's a shame both went opposite ways for MFS.

 

3 hours ago, nhs67 said:

I always was curious what would have happened had the 2xer Junior Sanderson had gone up to face fellow 2xer Senior McCoy at 197lbs a year earlier.

It's a shame both went opposite ways for MFS.

 

2 hours ago, fishbane said:

Who is McCoy? and which Sanderson are you talking about?

yeah this one lost me a little

[Alces Alces Gigas]

12 hours ago, Idaho said:

And if their age had been flipped, so would your statement.... It's not like Sanderson could have went to 12 year old Dake. 

I guess LOL was lost on you 

[scribers]

14 hours ago, 11986 said:

 

 

yeah this one lost me a little

He’s not wrong. We’ll never know!

[AgaveMaria]

How can you argue with perfection?

Hodge, Uetake, Sanderson and a few others were perfect.

Nothing else tops that.

[ionel]

5 minutes ago, AgaveMaria said:

How can you argue with perfection?

Hodge, Uetake, Sanderson and a few others were perfect.

Nothing else tops that.

Well at least Uetake was.  

[Hammerlock3]

This is not really an argument, but Cael's wrestling was so much more beautiful than Dake's. Dake is amazing because he's good at winning, brawls or chess match it doesn't matter, but he's gonna pick whatever route makes victory more likely. Cael's balance of handfighting, motion, shots, tricks was like a wrestling symphony.

I do think that mentally Cael was spent after his college career. Despite the success I think the stress of defending perfection every match did some damage.

[AgaveMaria]

1 minute ago, ionel said:

Well at least Uetake was.  

Sorry, the mind is a terrible thing...

Would still pick Yojo over anyone

[Elevator]

Stack Up Analysis:

Collegiate: both top 1%, very slight edge to Cael as he did not lose and Dake is only a 3x EIWA champ

Freestyle: both top tier among senior wrestlers, edge to Dake who has accomplished much more (regardless of if he medals in Paris next week)

NCAA Coaching: Cael is top 1% and in the conversation for greatest collegiate coach with only a handful of others.  Not clear Dake even aspires to be an NCAA coach - does he?