NWCA All-Star Classic

[Le duke]

Why would anyone watch that?!

I was interested in Ben’s thoughts on the Keck-Brooks match, given his relationship with Parker.


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[bnwtwg]

1 hour ago, Pish said:

Aaron Brooks is THE best folkstyle wrestler in college. 

False. It’s just a crappy weight class and don’t @ me with that Amine bs

Lee, RBY, Yianni, AOC, off the top of my head. Brooks is a terminator but the best? NAHHHHH

[Le duke]

False. It’s just a crappy weight class and don’t @ me with that Amine bs
Lee, RBY, Yianni, AOC, off the top of my head. Brooks is a terminator but the best? NAHHHHH

Who else is putting up 5 TDs on a top-2/3 dude?


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[82bordeaux]

5 hours ago, bnwtwg said:

Lee, RBY, Yianni, AOC, off the top of my head.

[Red]

5 hours ago, Le duke said:

Who else is putting up 5 TDs on a top-2/3 dude?


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Vito

[PortaJohn]

7 hours ago, bnwtwg said:

False. It’s just a crappy weight class and don’t @ me with that Amine bs

Lee, RBY, Yianni, AOC, off the top of my head. Brooks is a terminator but the best? NAHHHHH

Aaron Brooks is The best folkstyle wrestler this season. 

-Myles Amine

[1032004]

11 hours ago, flyingcement said:

Does this all-star event count toward individual records or its like a "friendly" or something?

I believe Flo said they were going to use them in their rankings.  So if coaches are lazy and use their rankings, it will impact seeding

@Husker_Du will Intermat factor these matches in the rankings?

Edited November 23, 2022 by 1032004

[PortaJohn]

1 minute ago, 1032004 said:

I believe Flo said they were going to use them in their rankings.  So if coaches are lazy and use their rankings, it will impact seeding

Correct but Flo rankings are still irrelevant to the college coaches

Edited November 23, 2022 by PortaJohn

[Pish]

6 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

I believe Flo said they were going to use them in their rankings.  So if coaches are lazy and use their rankings, it will impact seeding

@Husker_Du will Intermat factor these matches in the rankings?

Yes..they will be used as they should.  The matches happened.  We have Mark Hall as precedence, they not only matter for rankings but also for seeding (will be part of seeding criteria coaches rank).  

[Pish]

8 hours ago, bnwtwg said:

False. It’s just a crappy weight class and don’t @ me with that Amine bs

Lee, RBY, Yianni, AOC, off the top of my head. Brooks is a terminator but the best? NAHHHHH

AOC???  LOL..all credibility lost with that take.

 

Folkstyle has 3 components, neutral, top and bottom..no one is as complete as Brooks..and it's not really close

[bnwtwg]

What... you all think I'm going to stop being an Illinois homer all of a sudden?

Edited November 23, 2022 by bnwtwg

[Pish]

2 hours ago, Red said:

Vito

Considering he's at best the third best wrestler at this weight, I don't think he qualifies

[1032004]

35 minutes ago, PortaJohn said:

Correct but Flo rankings are still irrelevant to the college coaches

I doubt that’s the case, but I have no firsthand knowledge

[Gus]

9 hours ago, bnwtwg said:

False. It’s just a crappy weight class and don’t @ me with that Amine bs

Lee, RBY, Yianni, AOC, off the top of my head. Brooks is a terminator but the best? NAHHHHH

Bad take. There is a top tier of interchangeable guys that includes Brooks, Lee, Starocci, RBY, Yianni (I know he lost) and O'Toole

[nhs67]

I think as of right now the discussion is between Brooks and O'Toole.

Lee will enter the conversation when (if) he actually wrestles.

Margin of victory, method of domination, and facets of all three areas of Folkstyle should be considered when making this detetmination.

Starocci and RBY can dominate people to the tune of 2-0/3-1 type victories, but their margin of victory ensures they cede in the discussion for the best collegiate folkstyle wrestler this season.

[bnwtwg]

2 hours ago, Pish said:

Folkstyle has 3 components, neutral, top and bottom..no one is as complete as Brooks..and it's not really close

Spencer Lee would like a word. 

[Pish]

8 minutes ago, bnwtwg said:

Spencer Lee would like a word. 

Spencer Lee hasn't wrestled and who knows what he looks like when he comes back.  As far as all three facets of folk..Spencer gets A from neutral, A+ on top an a C on bottom.

 

Brooks..A from neutral, A on top and A from bottom

 

Aren't you the one who said AOC in the conversation?  If true, you should be disqualifed from an opinion.  If I'm mistaken..sorry

Edited November 23, 2022 by Pish

[bnwtwg]

25 minutes ago, Pish said:

Spencer Lee hasn't wrestled and who knows what he looks like when he comes back.  As far as all three facets of folk..Spencer gets A from neutral, A+ on top an a C on bottom.

 

Brooks..A from neutral, A on top and A from bottom

 

Aren't you the one who said AOC in the conversation?  If true, you should be disqualifed from an opinion.  If I'm mistaken..sorry

I did mention AOC and it was tongue in cheek. I always throw in a line about someone from IL - of course he's not in the same level as multi-time champs and world medalists lol.

Not sure why you would grade Lee a C on bottom though? When he makes it to the second period and goes down then he gets out quick. Brooks on top is fine... he controls the mat and walks away with 3+ mins of riding time usually. But he doesn't turn people at the rate of other hammers and if you're talking about a P4P then there has to be a higher level of dominance taken into the grading rubric.

[MPhillips]

47 minutes ago, nhs67 said:

I think as of right now the discussion is between Brooks and O'Toole.

Lee will enter the conversation when (if) he actually wrestles.

Agreed. If O'Toole goes undefeated with more bonus and pins than Brooks. I would find it hard not to pick O'Toole. Then again, I don't get a vote that matters...

[Pish]

22 minutes ago, bnwtwg said:

I did mention AOC and it was tongue in cheek. I always throw in a line about someone from IL - of course he's not in the same level as multi-time champs and world medalists lol.

Not sure why you would grade Lee a C on bottom though? When he makes it to the second period and goes down then he gets out quick. Brooks on top is fine... he controls the mat and walks away with 3+ mins of riding time usually. But he doesn't turn people at the rate of other hammers and if you're talking about a P4P then there has to be a higher level of dominance taken into the grading rubric.

Lee was pinned from Piccinini and has been ridden by Glory. 
 

I gave Lee an A+ on top. So no argument there. 

[BTB1127]

Am I the only one that turns off audio anytime pyles is doing commentary.

It's like nails on a chalkboard.

 

[Mike Parrish]

18 minutes ago, BTB1127 said:

Am I the only one that turns off audio anytime pyles is doing commentary.

It's like nails on a chalkboard.

 

He's just terrible.

I suspect his voice was engineered in a Soviet Biolab as a sonic weapon.

[VakAttack]

Giving Brooks an A on top is rich.  He stalls, riding only for the purpose of riding.  He's probably the best neutral wrestler from 174 up (with Gable not wrestling) and arguably in all of D1.

[PortaJohn]

3 hours ago, nhs67 said:

Starocci and RBY can dominate people to the tune of 2-0/3-1 type victories, but their margin of victory ensures they cede in the discussion for the best collegiate folkstyle wrestler this season.

 Which is interesting because I believe if Lee doesn't return than the Hodge is RBY's to lose.

[VakAttack]

Disagree.  If Lee doesn't return, or is a shell of himself if he does, I would favor O'Toole...if he's undefeated.  After that I would go Brooks next. O'Toole is going to put up more bonus than everybody other than Lee, plus his weight is better.  Obviously predicated on O'Toole running the table.  Brooks has the same number of NCAA titles as RBY, and has separated himself more clearly from the field.  Not that I think anybody is beating RBY, but I'm talking about in individual matches.  After Brooks it would probably go RBY and then Starocci, though.