Lleynor Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 Until he gets MT. Rushmore consideration? 3 worlds and an Olympic Gold is crazy. If he would've won the 2021 World, would he get the consideration already? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 23 minutes ago, Lleynor said: Until he gets MT. Rushmore consideration? 3 worlds and an Olympic Gold is crazy. If he would've won the 2021 World, would he get the consideration already? Has he won 6 gold in a row including 2 Olympic? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHROMEBIRD Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 25 minutes ago, Lleynor said: Until he gets MT. Rushmore consideration? 3 worlds and an Olympic Gold is crazy. If he would've won the 2021 World, would he get the consideration already? Jimmy? Is that you? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnwtwg Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 Mathematical zero. He and Dake could not beat JB. 1 i am an idiot on the internet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lleynor Posted September 18, 2023 Author Share Posted September 18, 2023 9 hours ago, bnwtwg said: Mathematical zero. He and Dake could not beat JB. Well, that's 1 of 4. There's 3 other spots I see. And JB was a 74 Phenom, as Taylor is now one at 86. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steamboat_charlie Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 If he wins next year I think he is on it. Smith, Bruce, Burroughs, Taylor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moodybooty Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 1 hour ago, steamboat_charlie said: If he wins next year I think he is on it. Smith, Bruce, Burroughs, Taylor. Who else gets that fourth spot right now? David seems like he fits on this list already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle26 Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 Who else gets that fourth spot right now? David seems like he fits on this list already.Snyder. He also has 3 world golds and an Olympic gold. He also has several silvers behind one the greatest of all time wrestlers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gus Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 1 hour ago, moodybooty said: Who else gets that fourth spot right now? David seems like he fits on this list already. Snyder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrestlingRasta Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 There should be two mount rushmores, the Soviet era and the post soviet era. It is exponentially more difficult to win a medal/gold now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moodybooty Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 1 hour ago, Eagle26 said: Snyder. He also has 3 world golds and an Olympic gold. He also has several silvers behind one the greatest of all time wrestlers That's fair. I'm letting recency bias take over. It's crazy to think that Kyle Snyder's younger than David Taylor, yet took over his weight a few years earlier. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peanut Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 Right now the most world-level golds for US wrestlers are: JB- 7 Smith- 6 Bruce- 5 Snyder, Taylor, Dake- 4 (Dake has a chance to make it 5 shortly.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHROMEBIRD Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 4 hours ago, Lleynor said: Well, that's 1 of 4. There's 3 other spots I see. And JB was a 74 Phenom, as Taylor is now one at 86. Not to take away from Taylor's accomplishments, but Wrestling Mt. Rushmore is pretty crowded. We go through this exercise every year but there's no agreement on how to objectively measure our top 4. Is an Olympic medal worth more than World gold? Do we adjust metrics for post-USSR competition? Banned countries? # of weight classes? College record? Super low cut singlets? Taylor has 1 Olympic medal (gold) + 4 World medals (3 gold 1 silver). Where does he fit in this list, which doesn't even include Gable, Cael, Rulon, Kemp, and many others frequently mentioned in discussions of our all-time greats. Bruce Baumgartner: 4 (2G 1S 1B) + 9 (3G 3S 3B) John Smith: 2 (2G) + 4 (4G) Helen Maroulis: 2 (1G 1S) + 6 (3G 2S 1B) Kyle Snyder: 2 (1G 1S) + 6 (3G 2S 1B) Kenny Monday: 2 (1G 1S) + 2 (1G 1S) Rulon Gardner: 2 (1G 1B) + 1 (1G) Jordan Burroughs: 1 (1G) + 9 (6G 3B) Adeline Gray: 1 (1S) + 8 (6G 2B) *2023 Worlds TBD Dave Schultz: 1 (1G) + 6 (1G 3S 2B) Kyle Dake: 1 (1B) + 5 (4G 1TBD) plus he hasn't lost to Taylor since they were kids David Taylor: 1 (1G) + 4 (3G 1S) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgaveMaria Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 Adeline Gray, 6 Gold, 1 Silver, 2 Bronze. ” Never attribute to inspiration that which can be adequately explained by delusion”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jchapman Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 (edited) Multiple Olympic Gold winners have to be on my Mt. Rushmore, Mehnert, Smith, Baumgartner. Snyder with two Oly Finals and three World Golds edges out JB for the fourth spot on my list. Obviously I weigh Olympic success heavily. Peterson brothers and Monday get HM. Edited September 18, 2023 by jchapman Craig Henning got screwed in the 2007 NCAA Finals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perry Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 (edited) Wrong thread Edited September 18, 2023 by Perry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinnacle Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 He lost one opportunity when he got injured at BTS to a guy not even in his stratosphere. Lost a second opportunity to Covid? My memory is shot on this chit, but that sounds plausible. I think since he started winning he probably would have won those two years as well, but just my take on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peanut Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 (edited) 41 minutes ago, jchapman said: Multiple Olympic Gold winners have to be on my Mt. Rushmore, Mehnert, Smith, Baumgartner. Snyder with two Oly Finals and three World Golds edges out JB for the fourth spot on my list. Obviously I weigh Olympic success heavily. Peterson brothers and Monday get HM. Nothing like putting Mehnert -- who competed when guys rolled off their coach and into the Olympics -- ahead of 7x champ Burroughs. Edited September 18, 2023 by peanut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrestlingRasta Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Pinnacle said: He lost one opportunity when he got injured at BTS to a guy not even in his stratosphere. Lost a second opportunity to Covid? My memory is shot on this chit, but that sounds plausible. I think since he started winning he probably would have won those two years as well, but just my take on it. He didn't really lose an opportunity to covid, they still had the olympics, and then the 21 worlds (his lone loss) Edited September 18, 2023 by WrestlingRasta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinnacle Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 Just now, WrestlingRasta said: He didn't really lose an opportunity to covid, they still had the olympics, and then the 21 worlds (his lonw loss) I could not recall what was postponed and what was not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jchapman Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 3 minutes ago, peanut said: Nothing like putting Mehnert -- who competed when guys rolled off their coach and into the Olympics -- ahead of 7x champ Burroughs. Mehnert didn't compete when there were World Championship tournaments. He only had the opportunity to compete on the world stage every four years at the Olympics, and he went 2 for 2. Craig Henning got screwed in the 2007 NCAA Finals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnklePicker Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 8 minutes ago, jchapman said: Mehnert didn't compete when there were World Championship tournaments. He only had the opportunity to compete on the world stage every four years at the Olympics, and he went 2 for 2. So Burroughs won 6 world titles and 1 Olympic title and he’s behind a guy who won 1 Olympic title 3 world titles? Wow. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuckyBadger Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 Taylor’s overall number of Gold medals at 4 may not be as high as some, but in my mind the quality of his medals is about as high as it gets. Next to Sadulaev, Yazdani was supposed to be the next great one. If it wasn’t for Taylor he would have 4 more golds with his current stash putting him in the argument for great ones. What Taylor accomplished to move up in weight and basically own the series with a guy the caliber of Yazdani can’t be overstated. For me he is on easily on Mt. Rushmore with a gold at the Olympics next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perry Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 What about the years that Taylor lost to Burroughs, dake, cox? Those certainly have to factor in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 I think DT calls it after the Olympics, personally. He has nothing to prove that he hasn't already proved and should be looking in to his next phase. I hope he lands a HC gig somewhere. "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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