Jason Bryant Posted June 29, 2023 Posted June 29, 2023 On 6/29/2023 at 11:59 AM, MPhillips said: "I think this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part." 1 3 Insert catchy tagline here.
nhs67 Posted June 29, 2023 Posted June 29, 2023 It is fact that weight classes exist for a reason. That means that this becomes a P4P discussion based on results for these gents in the specific weight classes they competed in. This also means that Steveson being the HWT GOAT makes him the GOAT of GOATs. Statistically in a P4P sort of 'per-weight' discussion? He probably isn't up there. There are some toons that absolutely rack up much better bonus point ratios at lower weights and they will always be ahead statistically. "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me
gimpeltf Posted June 29, 2023 Posted June 29, 2023 On 6/29/2023 at 12:36 PM, Jason Bryant said: Expand Once again, our JB takes the cake!
Jimmy Cinnabon Posted June 29, 2023 Posted June 29, 2023 Would 3x NCAA champ Gable Steveson > 3x NCAA champ Spencer Lee?
ionel Posted June 29, 2023 Posted June 29, 2023 On 6/29/2023 at 1:10 PM, Jimmy Cinnabon said: Would 3x NCAA champ Gable Steveson > 3x NCAA champ Spencer Lee? Expand Is 285 > 125? .
Wrestleknownothing Posted June 29, 2023 Author Posted June 29, 2023 On 6/29/2023 at 1:10 PM, Jimmy Cinnabon said: Would 3x NCAA champ Gable Steveson > 3x NCAA champ Spencer Lee? Expand I would rather not bait @VakAttack into an internet brawl. Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge
Gus Posted June 29, 2023 Posted June 29, 2023 Between statistics, eye test, dominance, strength of field, etc I think I would go.. 1 - Nolf 2 - Gable 3 - Zain 1
bnwtwg Posted June 29, 2023 Posted June 29, 2023 On 6/29/2023 at 12:13 AM, Cowboy08 said: Honestly, and I'm no Penn State fan, judging by the eye test I think Zain was more dominant than Gable in college. The weight classes he wrestled in are also much more competitive than heavyweight and I think that should also count for something. Gable lost twice to Cassar who was good but Zain lost twice to Logan Steiber and you can't compare Cassar and Steiber Expand Weird take because heavyweights bring home the most world medals 1 i am an idiot on the internet
ionel Posted June 29, 2023 Posted June 29, 2023 On 6/29/2023 at 1:10 PM, Jimmy Cinnabon said: Would 3x NCAA champ Gable Steveson > 3x NCAA champ Spencer Lee? Expand If talking hypothetical, would 2x NC Gable S > 4x NC Spencer L? .
VakAttack Posted June 29, 2023 Posted June 29, 2023 (edited) On 6/29/2023 at 1:24 PM, Wrestleknownothing said: I would rather not bait @VakAttack into an internet brawl. Expand Given how everything has played out, I would have to be PRETTY unreasonable to say that Spencer had a better college career than Gable..... Fortunately, I am exactly that amount of unreasonable. #SPENCERGOAT Edited June 29, 2023 by VakAttack You are a voice of reason. - @Paul158
Wrestleknownothing Posted June 29, 2023 Author Posted June 29, 2023 On 6/29/2023 at 4:50 PM, VakAttack said: Given how everything has played out, I would have to be PRETTY unreasonable to say that Spencer had a better college career than Gable..... Fortunately, I am exactly that amount of unreasonable. #SPENCERGOAT Expand What if I told you he had the seventh best career of the 3xers in the past decade? Then what? 1 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge
ionel Posted June 29, 2023 Posted June 29, 2023 On 6/29/2023 at 12:55 PM, nhs67 said: This also means that Steveson being the HWT GOAT makes him the GOAT of GOATs. Expand I'm not even sure he is the GOAT of all Gables. .
Wrestleknownothing Posted June 29, 2023 Author Posted June 29, 2023 On 6/28/2023 at 11:04 PM, Husker_Du said: Pinfall is the preferred nomenclature here, dude. Gable would be Top 10 for sure imo. 2 career losses to 1 person. 1 career loss at NCAAs. 3-1-1-1 assuming he wrestles enough bouts, one of just a couple 2x Hodge winners. this won't be looked at fondly, but i just don't gaf about the era of only three years of eligibility. Expand I said good day, sir. Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge
ionel Posted June 29, 2023 Posted June 29, 2023 On 6/28/2023 at 11:04 PM, Husker_Du said: Pinfall is the preferred nomenclature here, dude. Gable would be Top 10 for sure imo. 2 career losses to 1 person. 1 career loss at NCAAs. 3-1-1-1 assuming he wrestles enough bouts, one of just a couple 2x Hodge winners. this won't be looked at fondly, but i just don't gaf about the era of only three years of eligibility. Expand Dan Gable only had 1 career loss to 1 person. He wrestled back in the day when men were men and pins were pins. He had so many pins that the state of Iowa wouldn't had to switch entirely to soybean production to print those extra 4 redundant letters. .
ionel Posted June 29, 2023 Posted June 29, 2023 On 6/29/2023 at 6:05 PM, Wrestleknownothing said: I said good day, sir. Expand .
VakAttack Posted June 29, 2023 Posted June 29, 2023 On 6/29/2023 at 5:00 PM, Wrestleknownothing said: What if I told you he had the seventh best career of the 3xers in the past decade? Then what? Expand I'm going to need some time to divorce myself from the events to really give an unbiased opinion. However, right now I would have to argue that Spencer techfalls you and your face and all other wrestlers' faces ever. You are a voice of reason. - @Paul158
Wrestleknownothing Posted June 29, 2023 Author Posted June 29, 2023 On 6/29/2023 at 6:48 PM, VakAttack said: I'm going to need some time to divorce myself from the events to really give an unbiased opinion. However, right now I would have to argue that Spencer techfalls you and your face and all other wrestlers' faces ever. Expand Au contraire, because Spencer Lee agrees to my terms and we have the wrestling match in the deep end of the pool. Check and mate. Pin and fall. Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge
Eagle26 Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 On 6/29/2023 at 12:55 PM, nhs67 said: It is fact that weight classes exist for a reason. That means that this becomes a P4P discussion based on results for these gents in the specific weight classes they competed in. This also means that Steveson being the HWT GOAT makes him the GOAT of GOATs. Statistically in a P4P sort of 'per-weight' discussion? He probably isn't up there. There are some toons that absolutely rack up much better bonus point ratios at lower weights and they will always be ahead statistically. Expand If you are literally looking for the “pound for pound” GOAT, it would be really tough for it to be a Heavyweight. You’d have to take all of Gable Steveson’s greatness and divide it by 285. Compare that to Spencer Lee’s greatness divided by 125 and Lee wins easily
nhs67 Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 On 6/30/2023 at 3:04 AM, Eagle26 said: If you are literally looking for the “pound for pound” GOAT, it would be really tough for it to be a Heavyweight. You’d have to take all of Gable Steveson’s greatness and divide it by 285. Compare that to Spencer Lee’s greatness divided by 125 and Lee wins easily Expand (duh)? "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me
PencilNeck Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 On 6/30/2023 at 3:04 AM, Eagle26 said: If you are literally looking for the “pound for pound” GOAT, it would be really tough for it to be a Heavyweight. You’d have to take all of Gable Steveson’s greatness and divide it by 285. Compare that to Spencer Lee’s greatness divided by 125 and Lee wins easily Expand What about Lee and Yianni vs Steveson.
JeanGuy Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 On 6/30/2023 at 2:05 PM, PencilNeck said: What about Lee and Yianni vs Steveson. Expand 1
peanut Posted July 1, 2023 Posted July 1, 2023 Steveson is on a short list of wrestlers who won world or Olympic titles before their senior years. I think it’s only Uetake, Smith, Snyder, and Steveson. 1
ionel Posted July 1, 2023 Posted July 1, 2023 On 7/1/2023 at 2:38 AM, peanut said: Steveson is on a short list of wrestlers who won world or Olympic titles before their senior years. I think it’s only Uetake, Smith, Snyder, and Steveson. Expand This is a very good point. .
gimpeltf Posted July 1, 2023 Posted July 1, 2023 On 7/1/2023 at 2:38 AM, peanut said: Steveson is on a short list of wrestlers who won world or Olympic titles before their senior years. I think it’s only Uetake, Smith, Snyder, and Steveson. Expand Cejudo. He went to Grand Canyon graduating in 2015. Even if you discount that he went to college later than usual by age he was only 21 when he won in 2008. And he graduated HS in 2006.
Hurricane Wrestling Posted July 1, 2023 Posted July 1, 2023 On 6/28/2023 at 11:04 PM, Husker_Du said: Pinfall is the preferred nomenclature here, dude. Expand ...another reason this is such a great forum for true wrestling fans... 1
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