NearFall Posted February 17, 2023 Posted February 17, 2023 I'm not generally in favor of NCAA wrestling programs being dropped but in the case of Cal State Bakersfield I think it needs to be considered. This season in their five Pac 12 wrestling matches against Arizona State, Cal Poly, Little Rock, Oregon State and Stanford they have been outscored 180 to 22 in those five duals and have an 0-5 W/L record in those five PAC 12 duals this season. This week they lost 42-0 to Arizona State. One week ago they lost 43-0 to Stanford. They week before that dual with Stanford they lost 30-6 to Little Rock and also lost to Cal Poly 22-12. The week before those two PAC 12 dual losses they lost 43-4 to Oregon State. They aren't just losing conference dual matches they are being embarrassed (or at least they SHOULD be embarrassed). Their overall dual record this season is 1-11 with the only win being a win over Central Michigan (21-16). They don't even appear to be trying to improve.
Warm Up Champ Posted February 17, 2023 Posted February 17, 2023 Anyone in the know please correct me if I am wrong. I do believe Bakersfield has some restrictions placed on their program that make things difficult. For example I believe that a percentage of their roster must be from California, possibly even the Bakersfield area. Bakersfield has a storied past, I hope they can get things moving in the right direction.
flyingcement Posted February 17, 2023 Posted February 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, Warm Up Champ said: Anyone in the know please correct me if I am wrong. I do believe Bakersfield has some restrictions placed on their program that make things difficult. For example I believe that a percentage of their roster must be from California, possibly even the Bakersfield area. Bakersfield has a storied past, I hope they can get things moving in the right direction. Their entire roster is from California but I'm not sure if that's just by chance
El Luchador Posted February 17, 2023 Posted February 17, 2023 Maybe they should go back to D2. Anybody remember Darryl Pope and his match against Rico Chiapparelli?
Jason Bryant Posted February 17, 2023 Posted February 17, 2023 Maybe they should go back to D2. Anybody remember Darryl Pope and his match against Rico Chiapparelli? Not possible. Whole institution is D1 now. Never. ever. Accept dropping a program. It’s more than just winning, too. They’re in a bad spot but it’s not impossible to dig out. Not in wrestling’s culture to just quit on something when it’s hard. I won’t accept that as an option. None of us should. 8 Insert catchy tagline here.
SetonHallPirate Posted February 17, 2023 Posted February 17, 2023 2 hours ago, NearFall said: I'm not generally in favor of NCAA wrestling programs being dropped but in the case of Cal State Bakersfield I think it needs to be considered. This season in their five Pac 12 wrestling matches against Arizona State, Cal Poly, Little Rock, Oregon State and Stanford they have been outscored 180 to 22 in those five duals and have an 0-5 W/L record in those five PAC 12 duals this season. This week they lost 42-0 to Arizona State. One week ago they lost 43-0 to Stanford. They week before that dual with Stanford they lost 30-6 to Little Rock and also lost to Cal Poly 22-12. The week before those two PAC 12 dual losses they lost 43-4 to Oregon State. They aren't just losing conference dual matches they are being embarrassed (or at least they SHOULD be embarrassed). Their overall dual record this season is 1-11 with the only win being a win over Central Michigan (21-16). They don't even appear to be trying to improve. I'm not generally in favor of wrestling posters being dropped but in the case of NearFall I think it needs to be considered. 5 3
Idaho Posted February 18, 2023 Posted February 18, 2023 2 hours ago, NearFall said: I'm not generally in favor of NCAA wrestling programs being dropped but in the case of Cal State Bakersfield I think it needs to be considered. This season in their five Pac 12 wrestling matches against Arizona State, Cal Poly, Little Rock, Oregon State and Stanford they have been outscored 180 to 22 in those five duals and have an 0-5 W/L record in those five PAC 12 duals this season. This week they lost 42-0 to Arizona State. One week ago they lost 43-0 to Stanford. They week before that dual with Stanford they lost 30-6 to Little Rock and also lost to Cal Poly 22-12. The week before those two PAC 12 dual losses they lost 43-4 to Oregon State. They aren't just losing conference dual matches they are being embarrassed (or at least they SHOULD be embarrassed). Their overall dual record this season is 1-11 with the only win being a win over Central Michigan (21-16). They don't even appear to be trying to improve. Just now, SetonHallPirate said: I'm not generally in favor of wrestling posters being dropped but in the case of NearFall I think it needs to be considered. Haha... I was just typing the exact same thing.... Bakersfield has to self fund the program.... they have had a turn over in coaches that get little support.... but here they are still wrestling. They have a tough go just keeping the program afloat...anyone doing that deserves huge kudos and the entire wrestling communities support. The last thing any wrestling fan or coach wants to see is a dropped program....And I thought you were a Pac 12 supporter "NearFall" 2 Sponsored by INTERMAT
SetonHallPirate Posted February 18, 2023 Posted February 18, 2023 5 minutes ago, Idaho said: Haha... I was just typing the exact same thing.... Bakersfield has to self fund the program.... they have had a turn over in coaches that get little support.... but here they are still wrestling. They have a tough go just keeping the program afloat...anyone doing that deserves huge kudos and the entire wrestling communities support. The last thing any wrestling fan or coach wants to see is a dropped program....And I thought you were a Pac 12 supporter "NearFall" Classic case of great minds thinking alike. It isn't that long ago (2016) that CSU Bakersfield won the Pac-12 regular season title. 1
1032004 Posted February 18, 2023 Posted February 18, 2023 2 hours ago, NearFall said: I'm not generally in favor of NCAA wrestling programs being dropped but in the case of Cal State Bakersfield I think it needs to be considered. This season in their five Pac 12 wrestling matches against Arizona State, Cal Poly, Little Rock, Oregon State and Stanford they have been outscored 180 to 22 in those five duals and have an 0-5 W/L record in those five PAC 12 duals this season. This week they lost 42-0 to Arizona State. One week ago they lost 43-0 to Stanford. They week before that dual with Stanford they lost 30-6 to Little Rock and also lost to Cal Poly 22-12. The week before those two PAC 12 dual losses they lost 43-4 to Oregon State. They aren't just losing conference dual matches they are being embarrassed (or at least they SHOULD be embarrassed). Their overall dual record this season is 1-11 with the only win being a win over Central Michigan (21-16). They don't even appear to be trying to improve. ASU, Stanford and Oregon State and Cal Poly are all pretty decent (at least). Little Rock looks to be the only “bad” loss. But they beat CMU? Can’t be that bad then
fishbane Posted February 18, 2023 Posted February 18, 2023 11 minutes ago, 1032004 said: ASU, Stanford and Oregon State and Cal Poly are all pretty decent (at least). Little Rock looks to be the only “bad” loss. But they beat CMU? Can’t be that bad then Maybe CMU should consider dropping the sport too?
Wrestleknownothing Posted February 18, 2023 Posted February 18, 2023 12 minutes ago, fishbane said: Maybe CMU should consider dropping the sport too? Who jas CMU beat? Let's get rid of them too. Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge
Idaho Posted February 18, 2023 Posted February 18, 2023 28 minutes ago, SetonHallPirate said: Classic case of great minds thinking alike. It isn't that long ago (2016) that CSU Bakersfield won the Pac-12 regular season title. Yep.... and two of their coaches that had great success there, including their head coach Mendoza, went to Boise State only to get axed in a year. Mendoza could have had a good think going if he had stayed.... but a head coach can only do so much fundraising before getting burned out. Sponsored by INTERMAT
Formally140 Posted February 18, 2023 Posted February 18, 2023 2 hours ago, Jason Bryant said: Not possible. Whole institution is D1 now. Never. ever. Accept dropping a program. It’s more than just winning, too. They’re in a bad spot but it’s not impossible to dig out. Not in wrestling’s culture to just quit on something when it’s hard. I won’t accept that as an option. None of us should. The toxic ass dad coach attitude of discarding or looking down on anything not immediately or currently good is killing sport
CHROMEBIRD Posted February 18, 2023 Posted February 18, 2023 How many D1 teams would exist if we killed off every program that wasn't successful? Wrestling is about more than what goes in the W-L column. Those kids at Bakersfield are going out and competing, maybe even enjoying it despite what you think, bettering themselves as humans while getting an education. Lay off of Bakersfield, bro.
Chainsaw Posted February 18, 2023 Posted February 18, 2023 (edited) How about you go steal some kids ice cream or maybe kick a dog while your at it Nearfall Edited February 18, 2023 by Chainsaw
flyingcement Posted February 18, 2023 Posted February 18, 2023 California has some great wrestling because the state is enormous and has both ends which I have seen as likely though very different paths to wrestling: 1. Those who live in rural and working class areas, particularly around Bakersfield, Clovis, and Fresno. 2. Those who are super wealthy and have ability and willingness to pay exorbitant monthly team fees in LA county or SF CS Bakersfield may be having a tough time now but there are many paths toward relative success. I like them a lot, and root for the dude Chance Rich 1
1032004 Posted February 18, 2023 Posted February 18, 2023 2 hours ago, Wrestleknownothing said: Who jas CMU beat? Let's get rid of them too. CMU has beaten Northern Illinois (among others) Northern Illinois has beaten Cal Baptist (among others) Cal Baptist has beaten Wyoming (among others) Wyoming has beaten Utah Valley Utah Valley has beaten Northern Colorado (among others) Northern Colorado has beaten Cal Poly (among others) Cal Poly has beaten ArIzona State (among others) Arizona State has beaten Missouri (among others) Missouri should probably drop their program 1 2
Wrestleknownothing Posted February 18, 2023 Posted February 18, 2023 12 minutes ago, 1032004 said: CMU has beaten Northern Illinois (among others) Northern Illinois has beaten Cal Baptist (among others) Cal Baptist has beaten Wyoming (among others) Wyoming has beaten Utah Valley Utah Valley has beaten Northern Colorado (among others) Northern Colorado has beaten Cal Poly (among others) Cal Poly has beaten ArIzona State (among others) Arizona State has beaten Missouri (among others) Missouri should probably drop their program QED Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge
Offthemat Posted February 18, 2023 Posted February 18, 2023 3 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said: QED And that’s that.
Plasmodium Posted February 18, 2023 Posted February 18, 2023 Keep faith. CSUB is probably better than Cal Poly was 5-6 years ago. The Mustangs are alive and kicking now.
TitleIX is ripe for reform Posted February 18, 2023 Posted February 18, 2023 Can we engage Stephen Neal in this discussion, somehow? He was instrumental in keeping the program afloat years ago when CSUB wanted to drop wrestling: https://news.csub.edu/the-remarkable-improbable-career-of-stephen-neal
Idaho Posted February 18, 2023 Posted February 18, 2023 12 minutes ago, TitleIX is ripe for reform said: Can we engage Stephen Neal in this discussion, somehow? He was instrumental in keeping the program afloat years ago when CSUB wanted to drop wrestling: https://news.csub.edu/the-remarkable-improbable-career-of-stephen-neal He is in charge of Alumni relations and helps raise money for the program. He is still instrumental in keeping it afloat. Impressive to see him still involved and helping that program. 1 Sponsored by INTERMAT
Sheerstress Posted February 18, 2023 Posted February 18, 2023 Of note, Cal Bakersfield, while having great tradition, has never had good funding, and back during its Div. 2 days, was known for doing big things with very little: "Such budget-consciousness has helped Gonzales fit right in at Cal State Bakersfield, a small (enrollment: 2,359) commuter school with little money for athletics. [Joe]Seay, 42, a former national 149.5-pound champ from Wellington, Kans., started the school's wrestling program in 1972 with such limited funds that his team had to train in a science lab and his wife had to do all the wrestlers' laundry. Even now the school lacks a weight room and has a pitifully tiny wrestling room and so few wrestling scholarships that Seay, an exceptional coach, has to recruit athletes impoverished enough to qualify for general scholarships, which is what Gonzales had. "The school thinks they could throw us out onto the grass and we'd still win," says 158-pound senior Perry Shea, who's one of the four Division II champions on this year's team. "They're probably right." https://vault.si.com/vault/1982/05/03/gonzo-man-on-the-go 1
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