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My (stated as completely unrealistic btw) is to have separate "seasons" for freestyle and Greco. to improve our greco. im well aware its unrealistic. I've been in the planning meetings for one of the better states freestyle/greco season (tournaments, state, last chance, etc)

I stand corrected.. but also, all of yall derailed the thread. as far as turner. Given where I coach, im gonna get to hear about this all year. Yay

Don't think you're allowed to mention that from what I've been seeing.

lol . Im not there yet

Fatherhood and being considered the "older" male authority figure at work has calmed me down.

Entire hs fb and wrestling teams in an area have tire fire smoke going up of rumors the last few years. Testing isn't done till senior level good to see you back btw. Forum was boring

On a side note, is the forum banning discussion of the recent event at Worlds?

Eh, More so just a (unrealistic) incentive to improve our Greco that's not a gigantic change.

Need to make it a separate season from freestyle. Even if it's only for 1-2 months. Forcing coaches to JUST focus on Greco would vastly help and teach our refs to get better too

An underrated reason Our domestic wrestlers won't get better at Greco is we're so terrible at Greco, our refs who can't go overseas.. can't learn how to ref it properly.. because Greco state and Fargo is all "freco" not Greco. So then our athletes get their bad habits reinforced. Definitely chicken and egg type of issue. There needs to be a separate Greco season from freestyle in the US

Based on who most of the recruits are. I think it'll depend on if Medlin stays. I'm sure at sectionals someone will be spilling the real story next week

Heads up to everyone, comments on here and social media about this and him are being subpoenaed for the lawsuit.

The attack style wrestling podcast if it's still up has great stuff. Especially after the 3rd episode. The first 3 are more ra ra and the ones after actually get into the nitty gritty

While I think your point about "psycho" behavior being subjective is valid. The point about bad behavior and straight up morally reprehensible behaviors being ignored because they're a "good" coach or wrestler shouldn't be ignored. but your point about appearances is valid. The longer I've been around the more I've noticed a trend of, irascible "mean" coaches running much more clean programs and actually cutting or disciplining bad behavior. The more preachier, "virtuous" I see a coach/program being, the more I find out about them doing the opposite. Not alway, but a trend

Wherever this discussion goes. Can we at least agree that brushing it off with generalities about "power" and other people isn't going to help?

The actual overall problem, with admitting that's there's actually a problem(s) in the wrestling community/world. Beyond individual situations is that. There are 2-3 unspoken rules/axioms that ALWAYS come into play whenever actually addressing any situation, (And by situation, it can be anything from inappropriate relationships, cheating, poaching etc. the "issue" and the severity can vary) comes into play 1. "That's just how it is at da high level, if you have a problem with it, it's "obviously" because you're a non competitive pussy who's not willing to do what it actually takes to win" a sub variation is "how could it be bad for the sport long term if my team or kid benefits??, huh, like f looking at the big picture" 2. "Yeah it's bad, but this going public will be a black eye for the sport so it's not worth it" 3. Someone is protected or it would drag someone who's not really at fault down too. OR if this gets revealed too many will go down. And I've seen multiple times that someone tries to share, and gets ignored or silenced. Or even loses coaching privileges. That's leaving aside the cases of safe sport doing nothing after interviewing victims with evidence. and as someone said on another thread, due to wanting access, the interior reporting isn't going to dig into what they heard at drinks with some coaches. And everything feeds back into just shoving down or excusing everything

The more things keel getting ignored, especially on the women's side. The more I suspect it'll eventually explode

What's been made officially public isn't actually the issue or what they're asking about

And the actual guilty parties are enjoying careers unaffected.. but hey what can ya do

I (and many other coaches) actively fight these things when build teams, but when you say anything. Or point out it's not "tough" or actually useful. That dad who quit after their first year, and might have quit because of it, says it's fine now and anyone who has a problem either it is "soft" yet those same people are "shocked" that college rooms have fist fights

Thank you for stating exactly why half this stuff doesn't get brought to light

Since people want to act like college wrestling isn't like what it actually is.. on my team, and several others i knew of first hand... coaches would tell dudes to break up with gfs and go live with teammate A over teammate B.. but hey Carl knew nottin

The longer I've been around, the more I appreciate 1. How fortunate I was to be where I was when I was introduced to the sport 2. the coaches with good results who don't cheat and acknowledge that pound for pound they're better coaches with "better resumes" but they weren't willing to be POS to "acquire" a kid to get those headline results.. or put up with.. questionable behavior.. to keep those athletes around. And that they're super competitive but understand some people will say they don't actually want to win because they don't want to be a POS 3. The more my antenna goes up when "preachyness" gets involved, my personal experience is that hypocrisy ratio is closer to 4-1 bad than good

I get I haven't gotten a quarter of the way through the thread.. but pretending this "culture" hasn't been growing and growing and growing in wrestling.. is goddamn naive or out of touch Yes, obviously there is an element of wait and see. But anyone shocked by this or actually expecting safesport or USA wrestling to intervene... and for all the people who say "why don't they name names more or whatever when things like this or coaches cheating, poaching and tolerating Starocci behavior happens there has been a culture of silence in wrestling about this stuff. because no one wants more college programs or funding cut. And in a weird way, loyalty to the health of the sport has overridden everything else about this stuff. And if people have the right friends, the behavior just continues. But people who have tried to sound the alarm, get ignored or silenced. And then everyone knows everyone on top of it. i just had a conversation with someone in the know about this earlier today. Regardless of the scandal, the same three reactions combine to perpetuate nothing being done about.. hazing, inappropriate behavior/relationships, steroids, poaching, etc 1. 10-20% - eh that just how it be at da high level, you just a naive pussy if you have a problem with it 2. 30-40% - eh nothing will actually punish them and it'll just cause me and mine problems and nothing will actually address it, so I'll just run my program clean 3. Rest, OMG how could this happen. "iT wOUlD hAvE BeEN RePORted" TLDR: you shouldn't be surprised at stories like this, and no one does anything because they are loyal to the sport

Does anyone familiar with "alleged" other things that have been going on think anything will happen?