Snyder

[Scouts Honor]

either way, he made his point.

[1032004]

12 minutes ago, Scouts Honor said:

read this again.

@1032004

Yes I read it the first time and stand by what I said.  I never said I was good, but I’m definitely better than Snyder.

Defending banging hookers on Mother’s Day weekend with a wife and kids at home, can’t say I’m surprised to see that coming from you and @El Luchador.

[Hammerlock3]

45 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

Yes I read it the first time and stand by what I said.  I never said I was good, but I’m definitely better than Snyder.

Defending banging hookers on Mother’s Day weekend with a wife and kids at home, can’t say I’m surprised to see that coming from you and @El Luchador.

you're making a definite claim based on a comparison that doesn't even exist. 

For instance, I say, "Biden was a better president." You say, "Than who?". I respond "Better". 

You'd probably think my motivation in the discussion was gross. 

Why didn't you just say "The thing we know he did was very bad and I don't believe he's reformed" and leave it at that.  

Edited Saturday at 03:49 AM by Hammerlock3

[scourge165]

3 hours ago, El Luchador said:

what a generic and overly simplified approach. 

Well... yeah, I agree, it IS an overly simplistic view on life, but... that's for you to reconcile. 

[scourge165]

12 minutes ago, Hammerlock3 said:

you're making a definite claim based on a comparison that doesn't even exist. 

For instance, I say, "Biden was a better president." You say, "Than who?". I respond "Better". 

You'd probably think my motivation in the discussion was gross. 

Why didn't you just say "The thing we know he did was very bad and I don't believe he's reformed" and leave it at that.  

LOL... no. That's not at all the same.

It'd be like who was a better PERSON, Biden and then actually NAMING another person. 
 

[Hammerlock3]

2 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

LOL... no. That's not at all the same.

It'd be like who was a better PERSON, Biden and then actually NAMING another person. 
 

an anonymous better person with no characteristics is functionally the same as no person at all. You're welcome.

[1032004]

31 minutes ago, Hammerlock3 said:

you're making a definite claim based on a comparison that doesn't even exist. 

For instance, I say, "Biden was a better president." You say, "Than who?". I respond "Better". 

You'd probably think my motivation in the discussion was gross. 

Why didn't you just say "The thing we know he did was very bad and I don't believe he's reformed" and leave it at that.  

What a dumb analogy.  The comparison exists.  I’m not going to post everything wrong I’ve done in my life here, so you don’t have to believe me but I know it’s a fact that I never did anything as bad as Snyder did. I mean without even getting into arguments about where you rank banging hookers on Mother’s Day weekend with a wife and kids at home on the morality scale, just being objective, I’ve never been arrested.

I also didn’t say anything about whether or not he’s reformed…

[Hammerlock3]

4 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

I’m not going to post everything wrong I’ve done in my life here, so you don’t have to believe me but I know it’s a fact that I never did anything as bad as Snyder did.

This is the dumbest sentence i've ever read on the forum. 

[1032004]

19 minutes ago, Hammerlock3 said:

This is the dumbest sentence i've ever read on the forum. 

It’s dumb to say I know I’ve never done anything worse than banging hookers on Mother’s Day weekend with a wife and kids at home?  Ok then…

[scourge165]

On 11/6/2026 at 10:05 PM, Hammerlock3 said:

an anonymous better person with no characteristics is functionally the same as no person at all. You're welcome.

I don't even have a side in this argument, but that was a genuinely moronic argument. 

One person said they are a better person than Snyder. I don't really have an opinion on that. I don't know him, I think he can do better. 

But that's NOT at all the same as;

 

On 11/6/2026 at 10:01 PM, scourge165 said:

you're making a definite claim based on a comparison that doesn't even exist. 

For instance, I say, "Biden was a better president." You say, "Than who?". I respond "Better". 

One is saying A is better than B. 
The Other is saying A is just better than... nothing apparently? I don't know, it's your bad argument(even if you get a couple of seals to clap for ya). 

[1032004]

On 11/6/2026 at 11:30 PM, Hammerlock3 said:

This is the dumbest sentence i've ever read on the forum. 

Coming from the guy who once called a few wrestlers taking a picture together “racist and stupid” while simultaneously downplaying actual racism in this country, I will take that as a compliment.

[bnwtwg]

Jesus Christ will you all shut up?

Snyder: full of crap, amazing wrestler.

That's it. That's the tweet. Shut up.

[wrestlingshoe]

On 11/6/2026 at 4:34 PM, El Luchador said:

it's not complicated, sorry you can't understand it. But keep up the self righteous indignation.

Did say I don't understand, quite the contrary. That is why I am glad I live on a different path than you. 

[wrestlingshoe]

On 11/6/2026 at 6:45 PM, Hammerlock3 said:

well tell us the last thing you'd ever tell us about yourself and we'll make a meaningful comparison. And after that we'd have to weigh it against the positive effect snyder has had by modeling effort, stoicism, sportmanship etc....

Ah... stoicism. And Snyder has made some interesting decisions in the midst of his modeling of effort and sportsmanship. 

[wrestlingshoe]

On 11/6/2026 at 6:45 PM, Hammerlock3 said:

well tell us the last thing you'd ever tell us about yourself and we'll make a meaningful comparison. And after that we'd have to weigh it against the positive effect snyder has had by modeling effort, stoicism, sportmanship etc....

Ah... stoicism. And Snyder has made some interesting decisions in the midst of his modeling of effort and sportsmanship. 

 

My biggest issue here is, as a teacher, when I catch a student cheating and they say, 'I'm sorry," I have to wonder if they would be sorry if they had never been caught (and that is an easy question to answer most of the time). Or if they would do it again, caught or not. And while I don't have that answer for Snyder in this case, it is relatively realistic to assume this was not his first time, especially with his calm reaction to the sting. Therefore, I'm assuming his being sorry is only because he was caught and his public profession of faith only exacerbates the self richness of the public proclamation. This takes nothing away from his accomplishments on the mat, but it does take away my desire to point my young wrestling in his direction as an example to live by. Just because he is one of the most decorated American Wrestlers of all time does not preclude him from being held accountable for his actions. And, just by the fact that he is in the public eye, his actions to cheat on his wife and family with a hooker will be part of his legacy. 

[BAC]

On 11/6/2026 at 11:50 PM, 1032004 said:

It’s dumb to say I know I’ve never done anything worse than banging hookers on Mother’s Day weekend with a wife and kids at home?  Ok then…

Jeez.  I've done at least 5 things in the past week that are worse than what Snyder did.

Granted, that's because I think the severity of what he did barely warrants a raised eyebrow.  Legally speaking, it's silly that it's a crime at all. Why is it any of the government's concern, if they're both of age and consenting?  And if you're going to criminalize it at all, why chase after the guy who hands over $120 cash in a hotel for a BJ, but not the guy who pays $120 for a dinner date and gets a thank-you BJ? It's just colossally stupid and an enormous waste of taxpayer dollars.

Yes, what he did is illegal, but is right up there with smoking a joint, or underage drinking, or placing a bet through a bookie. A crime, but only nominally so, and predominantly a victimless one.

Set aside the crime, and the only person whose business this is, is Snyder's wife. And we know nothing about that. For all we know, she gave him a free pass beforehand.  Even if it was "cheating," at least it was of the meaningless transactional variety and not a secret mistress or second lover with whom he has actual feelings that he's been concealing while he plots to run off with her.  In any case, it seems they are still together.  Maybe she forgave him.  If so, it certainly isn't our business to say she was wrong to do so, or to hold a grudge that she isn't holding herself.  We aren't her, and we aren't in their marriage.   

Yes, I know people get a bee in their bonnet about Snyder's supposed "hypocrisy" about being a "man of God" and all that.  I don't buy that either. If Snyder had lectured us, collectively or individually, about how wrong it is to see an escort, telling us we're all going to hell, then I'd be more sympathetic to the hypocrisy argument. But Snyder's not really the proselytizing type.  It's probably true that Snyder himself thinks what he did was more wrong than I do, and that's fine -- the moral code he sets for himself is his business, not mine.  But that doesn't mean the rest of us should condemn him more than he objectively deserves for not meeting standards he set for himself.

It's time to let this go.

[Spladle08]

1 hour ago, wrestlingshoe said:

Ah... stoicism. And Snyder has made some interesting decisions in the midst of his modeling of effort and sportsmanship. 

 

My biggest issue here is, as a teacher, when I catch a student cheating and they say, 'I'm sorry," I have to wonder if they would be sorry if they had never been caught (and that is an easy question to answer most of the time). Or if they would do it again, caught or not. And while I don't have that answer for Snyder in this case, it is relatively realistic to assume this was not his first time, especially with his calm reaction to the sting. Therefore, I'm assuming his being sorry is only because he was caught and his public profession of faith only exacerbates the self richness of the public proclamation. This takes nothing away from his accomplishments on the mat, but it does take away my desire to point my young wrestling in his direction as an example to live by. Just because he is one of the most decorated American Wrestlers of all time does not preclude him from being held accountable for his actions. And, just by the fact that he is in the public eye, his actions to cheat on his wife and family with a hooker will be part of his legacy. 

Hey well said! 

Honestly I didn't read the beginning of this thread (I've been off the boards for a year or so, just jumping into the deep end) I just clicked on the last page and assumed I would read a bunch of people saying "He won one of the most legendary brackets to ever exist!" 

But now we are talking about his love of  having his man-parts taken care of...  not sure where it'll go... and I have nothing constructive to say. However, I do want to postulate on the situation (for absolutely no reason). 

Like @wrestlingshoe said, the whole event looked like this wasn't his first rodeo, which makes me think... when was his first rodeo? This guy has traveled the world and done all the things any human could want to do!  I envision him hanging out in Russia and Saduleav just being like "how many women should we send you?".... etc etc... and Snyder being like "Oh wow this is great..." .... but then obviously there is so much value in the "God is my rock" messaging, he can't switch it up 10 years into the process and say "I love ejaculating more than anything"... so onward he trekked... I'm imagining Saduleav sending him a text like "Brother, sorry I got you used to doing these things, I assumed it was normal where you lived.... inshallah"... 

But yeah, God is good, and Snyder is also awesome at wrestling... a bit of a fibber, absolutely.... legendary... 100% 
Glad he is on our team! 

Edited Monday at 09:54 PM by Spladle08

[Gene Mills Fan]

10 minutes ago, BAC said:

Jeez.  I've done at least 5 things in the past week that are worse than what Snyder did.

Granted, that's because I think the severity of what he did barely warrants a raised eyebrow.  Legally speaking, it's silly that it's a crime at all. Why is it any of the government's concern, if they're both of age and consenting?  And if you're going to criminalize it at all, why chase after the guy who hands over $120 cash in a hotel for a BJ, but not the guy who pays $120 for a dinner date and gets a thank-you BJ? It's just colossally stupid and an enormous waste of taxpayer dollars.

Yes, what he did is illegal, but is right up there with smoking a joint, or underage drinking, or placing a bet through a bookie. A crime, but only nominally so, and predominantly a victimless one.

Set aside the crime, and the only person whose business this is, is Snyder's wife. And we know nothing about that. For all we know, she gave him a free pass beforehand.  Even if it was "cheating," at least it was of the meaningless transactional variety and not a secret mistress or second lover with whom he has actual feelings that he's been concealing while he plots to run off with her.  In any case, it seems they are still together.  Maybe she forgave him.  If so, it certainly isn't our business to say she was wrong to do so, or to hold a grudge that she isn't holding herself.  We aren't her, and we aren't in their marriage.   

Yes, I know people get a bee in their bonnet about Snyder's supposed "hypocrisy" about being a "man of God" and all that.  I don't buy that either. If Snyder had lectured us, collectively or individually, about how wrong it is to see an escort, telling us we're all going to hell, then I'd be more sympathetic to the hypocrisy argument. But Snyder's not really the proselytizing type.  It's probably true that Snyder himself thinks what he did was more wrong than I do, and that's fine -- the moral code he sets for himself is his business, not mine.  But that doesn't mean the rest of us should condemn him more than he objectively deserves for not meeting standards he set for himself.

It's time to let this go.

No one is worse than anyone else until the fat lady sings.

[Mr. PeanutButter]

49 minutes ago, BAC said:

Jeez.  I've done at least 5 things in the past week that are worse than what Snyder did.

Granted, that's because I think the severity of what he did barely warrants a raised eyebrow.  Legally speaking, it's silly that it's a crime at all. Why is it any of the government's concern, if they're both of age and consenting?  And if you're going to criminalize it at all, why chase after the guy who hands over $120 cash in a hotel for a BJ, but not the guy who pays $120 for a dinner date and gets a thank-you BJ? It's just colossally stupid and an enormous waste of taxpayer dollars.

Yes, what he did is illegal, but is right up there with smoking a joint, or underage drinking, or placing a bet through a bookie. A crime, but only nominally so, and predominantly a victimless one.

Set aside the crime, and the only person whose business this is, is Snyder's wife. And we know nothing about that. For all we know, she gave him a free pass beforehand.  Even if it was "cheating," at least it was of the meaningless transactional variety and not a secret mistress or second lover with whom he has actual feelings that he's been concealing while he plots to run off with her.  In any case, it seems they are still together.  Maybe she forgave him.  If so, it certainly isn't our business to say she was wrong to do so, or to hold a grudge that she isn't holding herself.  We aren't her, and we aren't in their marriage.   

Yes, I know people get a bee in their bonnet about Snyder's supposed "hypocrisy" about being a "man of God" and all that.  I don't buy that either. If Snyder had lectured us, collectively or individually, about how wrong it is to see an escort, telling us we're all going to hell, then I'd be more sympathetic to the hypocrisy argument. But Snyder's not really the proselytizing type.  It's probably true that Snyder himself thinks what he did was more wrong than I do, and that's fine -- the moral code he sets for himself is his business, not mine.  But that doesn't mean the rest of us should condemn him more than he objectively deserves for not meeting standards he set for himself.

It's time to let this go.

I'm not interested in getting involved here beyond saying that I know from firsthand experience that Snyder is, in fact, the proselytizing type. He's quite similar to Aaron Brooks in the sense that both will be the first to point out how you've fallen short in God's (and, crucially, their) eyes.

[Hammerlock3]

3 hours ago, wrestlingshoe said:

Ah... stoicism. And Snyder has made some interesting decisions in the midst of his modeling of effort and sportsmanship. 

 

My biggest issue here is, as a teacher, when I catch a student cheating and they say, 'I'm sorry," I have to wonder if they would be sorry if they had never been caught (and that is an easy question to answer most of the time). Or if they would do it again, caught or not. And while I don't have that answer for Snyder in this case, it is relatively realistic to assume this was not his first time, especially with his calm reaction to the sting. Therefore, I'm assuming his being sorry is only because he was caught and his public profession of faith only exacerbates the self richness of the public proclamation. This takes nothing away from his accomplishments on the mat, but it does take away my desire to point my young wrestling in his direction as an example to live by. Just because he is one of the most decorated American Wrestlers of all time does not preclude him from being held accountable for his actions. And, just by the fact that he is in the public eye, his actions to cheat on his wife and family with a hooker will be part of his legacy. 

you say all that as if it has anything to do with my post.

We're dealing with an anonymous person who expects us to believe he is a better person than Snyder despite us not having any idea who they are in general, letalone what they do when they don't think anyone is paying attention.

[1032004]

7 hours ago, BAC said:

Jeez.  I've done at least 5 things in the past week that are worse than what Snyder did.

Granted, that's because I think the severity of what he did barely warrants a raised eyebrow.  Legally speaking, it's silly that it's a crime at all. Why is it any of the government's concern, if they're both of age and consenting?  And if you're going to criminalize it at all, why chase after the guy who hands over $120 cash in a hotel for a BJ, but not the guy who pays $120 for a dinner date and gets a thank-you BJ? It's just colossally stupid and an enormous waste of taxpayer dollars.

Yes, what he did is illegal, but is right up there with smoking a joint, or underage drinking, or placing a bet through a bookie. A crime, but only nominally so, and predominantly a victimless one.

Set aside the crime, and the only person whose business this is, is Snyder's wife. And we know nothing about that. For all we know, she gave him a free pass beforehand.  Even if it was "cheating," at least it was of the meaningless transactional variety and not a secret mistress or second lover with whom he has actual feelings that he's been concealing while he plots to run off with her.  In any case, it seems they are still together.  Maybe she forgave him.  If so, it certainly isn't our business to say she was wrong to do so, or to hold a grudge that she isn't holding herself.  We aren't her, and we aren't in their marriage.   

Yes, I know people get a bee in their bonnet about Snyder's supposed "hypocrisy" about being a "man of God" and all that.  I don't buy that either. If Snyder had lectured us, collectively or individually, about how wrong it is to see an escort, telling us we're all going to hell, then I'd be more sympathetic to the hypocrisy argument. But Snyder's not really the proselytizing type.  It's probably true that Snyder himself thinks what he did was more wrong than I do, and that's fine -- the moral code he sets for himself is his business, not mine.  But that doesn't mean the rest of us should condemn him more than he objectively deserves for not meeting standards he set for himself.

It's time to let this go.

Isn’t what he did against the Ten Commandments?

”my purpose is to know him and trust in him and, Lord willing, to bring other people into faith.”

-Kyle Snyder, less than 1 year before his arrest

[Hammerlock3]

13 hours ago, 1032004 said:

Isn’t what he did against the Ten Commandments?

”my purpose is to know him and trust in him and, Lord willing, to bring other people into faith.”

-Kyle Snyder, less than 1 year before his arrest

its like a 13 year old boring everyone to death his with low resolution cynicism.  

[Gene Mills Fan]

13 hours ago, 1032004 said:

 

”my purpose is to know him and trust in him and, Lord willing, to bring other people into faith.”

-Kyle Snyder, less than 1 year before his arrest

Isn’t what he did against the Ten Commandments?

This is the way it happened.    It's a little better. I get help, I need help. I still sin.

[wrestlingshoe]

19 hours ago, Hammerlock3 said:

you say all that as if it has anything to do with my post.

We're dealing with an anonymous person who expects us to believe he is a better person than Snyder despite us not having any idea who they are in general, letalone what they do when they don't think anyone is paying attention.

You say this as if we don't know it is anonymous. What if he did list his most egregious missteps before comparing himself to Snyder. How do you know he is being truthful? He could say, "My speeding tickets aren't as bad as Snyder's cheating on his wife with a hooker." And if we believe he is telling the truth, most would (or at least should) agree.  But we have no way of knowing if he is telling the truth. I do get his point though. Snyder's misstep is quit large and most likely a repeated offense where he veils himself in religion to make it all seem okay. 

[1032004]

2 hours ago, wrestlingshoe said:

You say this as if we don't know it is anonymous. What if he did list his most egregious missteps before comparing himself to Snyder. How do you know he is being truthful? He could say, "My speeding tickets aren't as bad as Snyder's cheating on his wife with a hooker." And if we believe he is telling the truth, most would (or at least should) agree.  But we have no way of knowing if he is telling the truth. I do get his point though. Snyder's misstep is quit large and most likely a repeated offense where he veils himself in religion to make it all seem okay. 

It’s pretty wild to me the number of people here who are deflecting from what Snyder did and saying things like “yeah but what have you done wrong??” as if it’s actually likely numerous posters here have done anything worse than that.  And to your point, you guys don’t know what I’ve done wrong, but we also don’t know what else Snyder has done wrong.     Heck @BAC was saying “hey at least it was just a hooker and not a mistress!”   Well, how do we know he didn’t have one of those too?

And yes, how outspoken he is about religion absolutely makes it worse IMO.

They talked about it a little on FRL today in terms of how he seems to have improved his wrestling since this incident.  Could be wrong but I believe it was @Jon_Kozak (former pastor btw) who said something to the effect of (paraphrasing) that Snyder might have been doing this before he got caught and knew it was wrong which was weighing on him, and maybe he stopped after he got caught and feels better about himself now.