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Mark Branch 13-9 Jake Rosholt 22-9 Jeff Jaggers 28-9 Jeff Walter 34-9 Ernest Benion 29-8 Robbie Waller 31-7 Aaron Holker 32-7 John Lockhard 32-7 Jim Gibbons 32-6-2 Stewart Carter 32-6-2

It is the most by a 3x champ, but not by that much. Nate Carr is 2nd with a a record of 122-17-1, followed by Mark Schultz with a 97-15. Neither of them were 4x AAs like Rosholt.

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Oldest is Charles Jones who won NCAAs in 1992 at 27 years old. I think military service inturrupted his education. The youngest is Pat Milkovich at 18.25 years. Not sure about AA

I'm not sure. I think rule is that you can wrestle up one weight from where you weigh in. So if you weigh in above 158, you could wrestle your weight, 167, and up one or 177. If that is the rule he would have to weight in above 177, which would have put him as a 190lber and he could wrestle one up or 275.

It's interesting, if you look at his record for the year he is 13-9 on wrestling stats. This includes 5 wins at NCAAs, so he should have been 8-9 going into NCAAs, which I think is correct. However, as you pointed out, if you add up the wins and losses from the individual matches he is 9-8. Wrestlingstats is not consistent with the record it reports. I think his record from Big 8s, where he finished 3rd, is correct, so the error must be in a regular season event. Looking at the Lock Haven tournament he went 2-1 and lost to an OSU teammate, Parker. This would be consistent with a 2nd or 3rd place finish, though it could also be that he defaulted out after losing in the championship bracket. Since Parker is also a OSU wrestler, wrestling stats has his record available. At the same tournament he went 4-2. I suspect the error is in that Lock Haven tournament. Parker, the teammate that beat him in the Lock Haven tournament, had a wild season. He met Branch in that tournament wrestling 167lbs and the week after wrestled in a dual against Oklahoma at 158. He then wrestled 5 straight duals at 177 before wrestled against PSU at 167. Then it was back to 177 for 3 more duals, before jumping up again to 190 against Iowa. He wrestled the final dual against OU at 190 and then bumped up again to 275 for Big 8s. There he went 1-2, finishing 4th, and qualifying for NCAAs where he went 0-1. For the year he was 8-14; 1-0 at 158, 4-3 at 167, 2-6 at 177, 0-2 at 190, and 1-3 at 275. The year before he wrestled at 158 apart from the 1st tournament of the year where he wrestled 167. In 1993, he was 21-6 at 158 as a starter and 3-2 in that one tournament at 167.

Mike Van Arsdale 109-43-2 Jeff Walter 98-43 Kirk Trost 136-43 Mark Ellis 91-39 Barry Weldon 104-37 Zach Roberson 106-35 Mark Reiland 105-34-3 Ernest Benion 113-34 Chris Bono 128-34 Michael Macchiavello 69-33 Carl Perry 87-33 Ben Cherrington 93-32 Dean Morrison 106-32-3 Daryl Weber 104-32 Jake Jaggers 105-32 Aaron Holker 102-31 Rob Rohn 106-31 Jude Skove 131-31-3 Jason Kelber 123-30 Steve Bosak 131-30 Glen Pritzlaff 106-29 Dustin Fox 109-29 Eric Siebert 112-29 Jordan Leen 119-29 Frank Molinaro 121-29 Luke Becker 126-29 Keith Stearns 72-28-3 David Lee 145-28-8 Scott Collins 119-28-3 J.J. MNcGrew 88-28 Steve Marianetti 119-28 Jim Jordan 156-28-1 Byron Tucker 109-27 Kendall Cross 111-27-3 Mark Munoz 111-27 Chris Barnes 119-27 Mitch Clark 119-27 Jarrod King 125-27 Pete Bush 96-27-1 Tony Purler 99-26-1 Tony Purler 99-26 John Hughes 121-26-2 Dwight Gardner 122-26 John Lockhart 123-26 Brad Vering 124-26 Gary Barton 46-25-1 Paul Keysaw 59-25-2 Jim Scherr 109-25-4 Teague Moore 113-25 Marty Kistler 118-25 Matt Gentry 138-25 Howard Harris 169-25 Additions/Corrections in bold. Barton probably has the lowest career winning percentage of an NCAA champ. Van Arsdale has the most career losses tied with Walter and Trost, but Van Arsdale had two ties as well setting himself apart. For losses in a single title winning season the most is 9 with Branch, Jaggers, and Walter tied. Branch easily has the lowest winning % for a single season.

Single season NCAA championship year. It starts to become common for <+6 losses Mark Branch 13-9 Jeff Jaggers 28-9 Jeff Walter 34-9 Ernest Benion 29-8 Robbie Waller 31-7 Aaron Holker 32-7 John Lockhard 32-7 Jim Gibbons 32-6-2 Stewart Carter 32-6-2

Jeff Walter 98-43 Mike Van Arsedale 109-43 Kirk Trost 136-43 Mark Ellis 91-39 Barry Weldon 104-37 Zach Roberson 106-35 Mark Reiland 105-34-3 Ernest Benion 113-34 Chris Bono 128-34 Michael Macchiavello 69-33 Carl Perry 87-33 Dean Morrison 106-32-3 Daryl Weber 104-32 Jake Jaggers 105-32 Aaron Holker 102-31 Rob Rohn 106-31 Jude Skove 131-31-3 Jason Kelber 123-30 Steve Bosak 131-30 Glen Pritzlaff 106-29 Dustin Fox 109-29 Eric Siebert 112-29 Jordan Leen 119-29 Frank Molinaro 121-29 Luke Becker 126-29 Keith Stearns 72-28-3 David Lee 145-28-8 Scott Collins 119-28-3 J.J. MNcGrew 88-28 Steve Marianetti 119-28 Jim Jordan 156-28-1 Byron Tucker 109-27 Kendall Cross 111-27-3 Mark Munoz 111-27 Chris Barnes 119-27 Mitch Clark 119-27 Jarrod King 125-27 Pete Bush 96-27-1 Tony Purler 99-26-1 Tony Purler 99-26 John Hughes 121-26-2 Dwight Gardner 122-26 John Lockhart 123-26 Brad Vering 124-26 Paul Keysaw 59-25-2 Jim Scherr 109-25-4 Teague Moore 113-25 Marty Kistler 118-25 Matt Gentry 138-25 Howard Harris 169-25

Maybe not in absolute number, but a better chance with winning % 13-9. He was <.500 going into NCAAs. The next year he was 22-7 as a finalist.

Not the best way to put it. The path Schultz had to win states was likely more unique than a NCAA/multiple NCAA champ that not winning states/national preps. Or are you just referring to State being singular and States being plural? Can't be on the fence with that?

I suspect multiple NCAA champ transfers is probably the least unique on the list. Schultz was also nearly a non-state champ. He won states his senior year and had never won a wresting tournament in his life before the first round of the post season his senior year.

Academic struggles are the most sound reason to repeat a grade. There are ways to catch up like tutors, summer school, and independent study. If the struggles are only in one subject that is less of a reason to be held back in middle school and high school. If you don't get algebra in 8th grade, you can still take that class in high school. You might not learn calculus in high school, but you'll be ready to learn it in college. When academic struggles are manufactured like with Cary Kolat it seems like a waste of time. In 8th grade Kolat's dad told him to pay attention, but fail intentionally. He received 4 Fs, 1 A, and repeated 8th grade. Taking Kolat as an example, holding him back in 8th grade undoubtably held back his academic progress, but it also probably held back his athletic progress. He placed 3rd at the Midlands as a high school sophomore. He was 4th at the Olympic trials in 1992 when he was a high school senior. If he had not intentionally failed 8th grade he could have been wrestling in those trials after a year in a college room. Do you think he could have made more progress by 1992 if he had traded that extra year in a middle school room for one in a college room? Kolat probably thinks so Though trying to make an Olympic team in high school may be a fairly unique problem, the principle is more universally applicable. Holding someone back in 8th grade holds back their wrestling progress too. Take any wrestler in 8th grade. Pick a date more than 1 year in the future. The goal is to make this individual the best possible wrestler by that date. Is repeating 8th grade an optimal strategy for this challenge? Staying in middle school and wrestling 7th/8th graders or not at all because they aren't eligible, compared with spending that year in a high school room competing against 9th-12th graders. Almost universally the choice will be to go directly to high school. The reason why it seems like holding a wrestler back can have an athletic benefit is because the goalposts are moved at the same time. The question isn't how can I be the best wrestler possible 4 years from now. It's comparing your potential results 4 years from now with your potential results 5 years from now against a field 1 year less experienced on average.

He was a 2x NCAA champ. 1x State champ. https://intermatwrestle.com/articles/2068/One-on-One-with-Tim-Hartung? Cody is Cael's older brother. So little only in the sense of being physically smaller to Cael, but three years older. He lost to Guerrero twice in the OT in the NCAA finals.

I'm not sure. I think 20 is about the oldest a normal track student should be upon graduation from high school. If he graduates at 20, then redshirts and wrestles 4 years that could make him 25 his 5th year in college. Alternatively, if he graduates high school at 19, then does a grey shirt/gap year before enrolling full time, and uses a redshirt in his career it can happen. In theory an individual could delay enrolling in elementary school until the oldest compulsory age which would have them turning 20 some time during their senior year of HS. That person could then defer enrolling in college for 1 year whilst continuing to wrestle with a club/RTC and not sacrifice any eligibility. They could then take a redshirt and up to two Olympic redshirts during their college career (assuming timing works out and they qualify) along with 4 years of competition. Such a person could turn 27 before NCAAs their senior/4th year of college competition. A person could break the record and be the oldest ever NCAA champion doing that. No need for injury waivers, pandemics, repeating grades they had already passes, intentionally failing grades, religious missions, military service, or time away from training/competition.

During the Iowa-PSU broadcast on BTN they said that 1/28 is RBY's 24th birthday. After graduating high school in 2018 at 19 years old he wrestled as a true freshman at PSU in the 2018-2019 college season. His career has been 8-COVID-1-1-?. In an upcoming Flo film he talks about how his grandfather held him back in 8th grade because he thought he was a little bit small to be a 106lb. He said he did nothing, just stayed home for a whole year, trained, and played video games everyday. RBY was 182-0 in high school.

@WrestleknownothingSparks just said that Bo Nickal predicted a 60-0 dual win by the Nittany Lions. Now that's a homer pick!

You listed 3 things. Guess he's not good at multitasking...

Alas, that was not a selected match. I actually think when Dean switched to the touching the foot to the head strategy he did Amos a favor. When he had his left knee in he could probably generate more force because he could his legs too. The head-to-foot technique was mostly arms. Although he may have also made the right call as the referee may have put a stop to it if he really ranked on it in that position.

This makes me think of the bow and arrow he put on Amos. It looked brutal. When he put his far knee into Amos's back it looked like he could have put a ton of leverage into it. He could have just extended his body to put an amazing about of leverage into Amos's back. It looked like he started to and then took his left knee out of that position, postured up and tried to touch Amos's foot to his head. He came alarming close to succeeding.

Yeah no doubt individual considerations will be important and retrospectively it's easy to look back and see how it might have helped, but I also think that holding a wrestler/student back in 8th grade is almost never consistent with getting better at wrestling or more generally any sport. One could look back and think that they would have won more matches in high school/college being held back a year, but that could simply be measuring yourself against a different set of peers. If you look at yourself and make the goal to be the best 15 year old wrestler, or 19 year old wrestler, or any age wrestler that you can be has progress really been made against that standard? Or in other words, two identical wrestlers finish 8th grade. One stays back and repeats 8th grade. The other goes to 9th grade and wrestles at the high school. Who is the better wrestler? If you have them wrestle at the end of the year who do you think wins? Who has learned more academically? If given the same standardized test who does better? Do you think if you had stayed back and repeated 8th grade that you at the end of 8th grade for the second time could have beaten the real you after 9th grade?

Ed Ruth didn't win a PIAA title, but he won national preps his senior year (2009). It's true he didn't win PIAA 9-11th grades, but isn't exactly that I had in mine. Baumgartner is a good one.

Yeah, I thought the dates were a little too early for the Vietnam draft but it could have been voluntary military service. The 5 years off is just one of the interesting facts about this career though. There are many aspects that make it fairly unique. Two-time NCAA that never won a state title in high school. There can't be very many of those. Keith Gavin is a 1x champ that did that. Don't know any other 2, 3, or 4xers off the top of my head. A multi time NCAA champion that transferred schools. There can't be too many of those. TJ Jaworsky, Nick Suriano, Brent Metcalf, Cary Kolat. A multiple time NCAA champion that won a subsequent title at a lower weight than a previous title. There are only 7 of those. Nick Suriano also among them. An NCAA champion that took multiple years off in the middle of their college career. Nick Suriano, Max Dean, and Yianni D. didn't wrestle in NCAA competition for two consecutive years. Winning NCAAs at the age of 26 years 7mo puts him amongst the oldest NCAA champions. The oldest is Charlie Jones who was 27 when he won a title in 1993 wrestling for Purdue.

Yeah I mostly agree. A 23 year old training continuously should on average have the advantage over a 31 year old that was 10 years retired and doing something else entirely. I think this is allowed to some degree with the current D1 rules. Famously retired NBA player JR Smith was ruled eligible to play D1 NCAA golf. He had never previously attended college having joined the NBA straight out of high school and had never played golf professionally. If JR Smith wins an NCAA golf championship there shouldn't be an asterisk on it even though it would be much more interesting than the average college gold champion. So a 21 year old who never enrolled in college and had not trained in wrestling in 10 year might well be allowed under the rules to wrestle D1. But why change rules to allow a allow a 31 year old that competed D1 for two years to take 10 years off and then return and wrestle two more years? I'm fine with this person's D1 career being over. They can still wrestle D2/D3 if they go back to complete their educaiton.

Are you talking purely athletically or do you feel it would have helped your educationally and professionally too? Is wrestling part of your profession today? If not do you think winning a more matches in 9th grade and possibly a few more throughout the rest of high school/college would have been worth delaying the start of your career a year or two?