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The same Zain Retherford that was born in Kenosha, WI? I don't believe he is eligible for the question as posed. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zain_Retherford

Aaron Brooks was in that bracket with Taylor and Nickal too. Presumably his opinion on the matter would be highly relevant. Did Nick Lee wrestle Retherford in the consolations? Even if they did wrestle I can't imagine Brooks was referring to that.

FC Cincinnati fan thought $150/year was prohibitively expensive. "FC Cincinnati were forced to defend the FloSports deal last year after fans aired frustrations that the platform was technically unstable and prohibitively expensive. Annual subscriptions for the 2019 season were priced at US$150, with the first 2,000 to sign up receiving a discounted rate of US$99 for the year." They could have told their season ticket holders that $150/year is cheaper than traveling to the 17 road games per season. Instead they terminated the dealer after less than 1.5 seasons. https://www.sportspromedia.com/news/fc-cincinnati-flosports-streaming-tv-rights-local-cancel/?zephr_sso_ott=VGSHXq

That's probably true if you go to the individual sport website (baseball, wrestling, grappling, whatever), but if you sign up with a team or conference they have different pricing. I think you can get as cheap as $12.50 billed monthly or $7.99/month billed annually. https://go.flosports.tv/partner/caa Back when they had MLS teams you could get it even cheaper $8.99 billed monthly or $5.99 billed annually. Wrestling is one of the most expensive ways to sign up for Flo because there is little to no competition in this sport. Fans are not used to paying a reasonable price for a service. They are used to not having any access whatsoever so $30/mo doesn't sound that bad. Flo bought their only US competitor Trackwrestling some years ago, which in my opinion can only be seen as a negative for fans.

They can reuse that video over and over. That dual was 2017? The DC United fiasco was 2019. Their only other MLS team, DC Cincinnati dropped them in 2020. It was amazing how right quick the plug was pulled on their crappy service when they tried to take on a sport with a more sizable fan base. MLS fans were only paying $9/mo vs the $30/mo they try and get out of wrestling fans and they weren't putting up with this for even a season.

Before this event they had been better with their streams. I remember a couple years ago they simply could not provide a reliable stream to a major event. Not sure how many wrestling fans were aware of this but Flo Sports had streaming deals with some MLS teams to distribute their matches. They signed a 4 year deal with DC United starting in 2019 and the very first broadcast was plagued by service interruptions that they never fully solved. Flo reportedly paid $12million for the broadcast rights and the team terminated the contract after less than a year, offered refunds to fans, and streamed the rest of their matches for free on the teams website. It would seem like the inability to stream a major event without interruption has costs Flo millions of dollars and should be something they have sorted by now. https://www.sportspromedia.com/news/dc-united-flosports-streaming-deal-ended-mls-tv-rights/?zephr_sso_ott=s0FZRU "The move brings to an end what proved to be a problematic deal for DC United. Fans of the franchise were initially unhappy at having to pay between US$5.99 and US$8.99 per month for FloSports, which was compounded when the streaming service suffered technical difficulties. DC United’s draw against New York City FC in March, for example, was marred by interruptions."

If you sign up with Flo Wrestling they monthly option sucks - $30/month or $150/year. If you sign up with another Flo "parallel" you can get a much more reasonable price $12.50 billed monthly or $8/month billed yearly and you have access to all parallels.

If you give RamofTheEast an opportunity to talk about his faith he will take it, lol. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQU6CMJX4EM

Who doesn't like a big drama show? Pyles dropped the ball to follow up questions on a few things in this interview. Going back to the original topic of this thread Brooks says "We discussed that ahead of time. I think it was at the Olympic Trials in 2021 when they really realized okay a lot of our guys are going to be competing with each other in the finals. So I think a free that because they didn't really discuss it before then and some stuff happened some controversy. So I think now they are like okay let's just be realistic let's figure this out ahead of time so we're not doing somebody dirty like we did at the Olympic Trials." How does Pyles not try and get him to expand on how someone was done dirty?

I think you think that Brooks is wrong about something. I'm not exactly sure what. I'd imagine it is something you feel was implied by his statements. I really wish when Brooks says these crazy things in interviews they would ask him follow up questions and go down the rabbit hole a bit rather than trying to steer things back on course. For example Brooks said "I don’t know who gave those to Yazdani, maybe a club coach, um a long time friend”. I would have liked Pyles to ask "I noticed you didn't list God/the Holy Spirit as a possible source of Yazdani's under hooks. Is that because you ruled them out as a potential source of his under hooks?". And when he said they were different I'd like to see him asked how they are different? Are they more effective? Less effective?

I am a HUGE fan of Aaron Brooks saying crazy religious stuff in interviews. Give me more of it! It is must watch, so much better than just thanking a generic god in a generic way. If Yazdani ever wrestles him and wins then I would like nothing more than for Yazdani in his post match interview thank his God and point out some false Christian belief. Call the Holy Spirit a false god. Exactly! Would Yazdani dispute this statement? It is my understanding that Muslims so not believe the Holy Spirit to be God. Yazdani himself is unlikely to believe that his under hook is derived from the Holy Spirit. Brooks is more likely to get pushback from Christians on this point than Muslims. Correct. Aaron Brooks believes the Holy Spirit to be God. This is the same thing to Aaron Brooks. I doubt Yazdani would say that the Holy Spirit gave him under hooks. He might say that God did, but that is probably a little different than what Brooks intended given the earlier statement. Isn't this how religions work? Are there actually Christians that think that the Islamic belief that Jesus of Nazareth was not a God is as valid/more valid/superior to their own belief that Jesus Christ is God? Are there Muslims that think the Christian belief that Jesus Christ was the son of God to be as valid/more valid/superior to their own belief that he was merely a prophet of Allah? Are there major world religions that don't have conflicting beliefs? It would seem to me that if anyone accepted all teachings of any major religion as true that would result in a logical conclusion that some central belief of a competing religion is false. Should athletes only talk about aspects of their religion that don't conflict with other major religions at press conferences?

He didn't say Yazdani's were not from God. He said "I don't know who gave those to Yazdani." It is possible that God gave them to Yazdani and Brooks is simply unaware of that fact.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CtULQMgsDjB/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA== Are the limp and crutches all an act? Playing possum?

He did a lot with a little. Three wins on only 6 points scored and shut out in 3 losses. He didn't bother scoring if he wasn't going to win the match. It's wise to be efficient in a multi day tournament like this. Compare this with that 167lb bracket from 1984. I have doubts that Melvin Douglas was actually injured. I think he probably just blew his load in that first round match that he won 35-0. It was the most points put up by a wrestler in a match in the entire tournament. Wore himself out by the quarterfinal round. Hilger on the other hand wasn't going to waste any energy scoring points that weren't going to win him a match.

It was worse than that. He was 3-3 for the tournament with 2 forfeits and a 6th place finish. His overall scoring differential was -4 (8-12). 1st round L Dec 4-3 Jelic (Pitt) 1st round consolations W FFT Degenova (Temple) R12 W FFT Douglas (OU) - AA Finish Assured Consi-Semis 1 W Dec 1-0 Williams (Utah State) Consi-Semis 2 L Dec 4-2 Carver (Fresno State) 5th Place Match L Dec 4-2 Relic (Pitt) I don't think a negative scoring differential for an AA is really that unusual. I mean it's not typical, but it probably happens to a couple guys each year. All you really need is a guy to get his doors blown off by a Spencer Lee/David Taylor/Zain Retherford type and win several close matches. Getting an AA placement without winning a match by anything other than FFT? That has to be very unusual. Maybe a handful of times in history. Drew Hildebrandt had a negative scoring differential when he placed 4th in 2019. W Dec 3-0, W Dec 2-1, W Dec 4-2 (SV), L MD 11-0 (Spencer Lee), W Dec 5-4, L Dec 5-3. Overall that is 17-21 for -4 differential over a 4-2 record with a 4th place finish.

I don't think it will work that way. If you make all scoring actions with 2x their former value and rescore all matches you will find that the margin of victory/defeat has doubled. The matches have not changed. It may be that instead of having matches with 0-2 point difference being stallfest with one guy planning to steal a takedown at the end of the match to win/force OT the same thing now commonly happens in matches with a 0-3 point difference. Idealling I'd like to see the number of scoring actions in a match increase not necessarily just points.

I wonder if the number of MD and TF will increase by a statistically significant amount with this change. It would seem like the points are being inflated with no adjustment to the MD and NF thresholds. It would be interesting to compare the rate of TF and MD in the 2014-2015 (back when NFs were only 2 or 3 points) to next season with a 3 point takedown and 4 point NFs.

He only received 1 forfeit. W Dec (32), L Dec (1), W Dec (16), W Dec (18), W Dec (26), W FFT (12), L MD (11), L Dec (5) to finish 8th. 16 was the highest seed he beat via non-FFT to make the podium. Still he won 4 matches to get there. As JB pointed out, two forfeits with no wins getting you to the podium is not possible since full wrestlebacks were implemented in the early 1990s. In today's format you would need to somehow get 4 consecutive forfeits in the consolations to get to the podium without winning a match. I guess on the front side it would take only 3 but that would require someone to enter the tournament injured and not wrestle which has happened (Nick Suriano, Dustin Schlatter, etc.) but less likely than a forfeit in a later round.

In 1984 Rudy Isom lost his opening round match at 167lbs to Jeff Jelic 4-3 of Pitt 4-3. He then won two consolations matches by FFT assuring himself of a top sure 8 finish. He ended up winning his next match 1-0 to make the consi semis and then lost before falling to Relic for a second time to finish 6th. Has anyone ever had an easier path to AA? It would be wild if someone lost in the first round won twice by FFT then lost two consecutive matches to finish 8th. Has anyone ever only won matches by FFT en route to an AA finish? If so, what's the highest finish achieved in this manner? 1984 Bracket http://www.wrestlingstats.com/ncaa/pdf/brackets/NCAA 1984.pdf

I had read on Wikipedia that it was created by two fellas from Erie, PA and that the first trial competition was held at Erie Tech. One of the creators was an arm wrestler named Dann Carr. I don't believe he is related to the Carrs from Erie that are know in wrestling. I'll have to check out that ESPN piece. Thanks!

Darrel Gholar was a contender on series 3 of American Gladiators in 1991 (May have been filmed in 1990). He won a couple rounds and ultimately fell short in the semi finals to a baker from Brooklyn. He handed Gladiator Nitro his only loss of the season in the conquer ring in his semi final loss. Conquer is a modified wrestling competition where the contender has 10s to force any portion of the gladiator outside of the circular competition area. I think this is interpreted as some body part of the touching the ground outside of the area and not a 3D cylinder. Nitro was 5-0 in the conquer ring in season 3 before losing to Gholar. In the episode the announces play up Gholar's wrestling ability describing him as a wrestling coach from Minneapolis, MN and greco roman olympic alternate in 1988. I found some collegiate results for him from the University of Minnesota. He was 3rd at Big Tens at 158 in 1983 and Big Ten runner up at 167 in 1984. He was the 10 seed at NCAAs in 1984, but had some bad luck. He lost 7-1 in the second round to 3 seed and future 2x Olympian Melvin Douglas. Douglas lost his next two matches by FFT and DNP. In 1984 there weren't full wrestle backs and since Gholar lost to someone who failed to make the semifinals he was not given a wrestle back. Meanwhile the 4th place finished at Big Tens, Rudy Isom of Wisconsin, lost in the first round then won two successive consolation matches by FFT to make the podium. Does anyone know the story behind all the FFTs in the 1984 NCAAs at 167? Does anyone have results from the 1988 Greco Olympic Trails? I'd guess for him to an alternate he would have lost in the best of 3 at either 74 o2 82kgs. If anyone is interested in his appearances on American Gladiators there are links to the full episodes below. 1st round https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdkSVQLDpKc Quarter final https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpQKRfcYdDc Semi-final (Conquer win over Nitro) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeQrdADGs0M

RIP

They had posted the list on instagram two days ago. Not sure who posted first Jimmy here or Flo on instagram. I suppose if one starts as many conversations as Jimmy a few will gain traction and make it on FRL. https://www.instagram.com/p/CslishPuL57/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGDJXW5ZtEk The Bad Guy says Fraser and Russell came up with the RTC system in a van he was in sometime in the late 1990s. He also says Albert Ferrari is on the Iowa campus and he is going to hit the weight room with him.

I agree with 1032004 on this. You should compare to last year only if that athlete is returning, but not when a transfer replaces a spot occupied by a graduating senior or someone leaving the team. For example Nagao's impact at PSU should not be measured against RBY's performance this year PSU would have lost RBY's points anyway. If Nagao didn't transfer PSU would be putting out Timothy Levine, Karl Shindledecker, Baylor Shunk, Gary Steen, Marco Vespa, or Braedon Davis? Nagao's impact would be replacing one of them in the lineup.