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https://www.instagram.com/p/CsjpxdpO_YD/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA== He'd be the first to win 5 Olympic golds in wrestling should he pull it off. With Rulon also planning a comeback could he retire another legend in their final Olympic games?

The main motivation would not be holding to a weight class that is too big or too small up to a month before the trials. It's true that both should have completed their degrees or certainly could be by the end of next season. I even think 184 is sub optimal if Lewis is fixing to go 86kg. The word is that Aaron Brooks will go 197 next season for an Olympic run at 86kg. Amine move up to 197 for the last Olympics.

Lewis? Is that likely? Wrestlestat still has him at 174 for next year. I'd think it would make more sense fore Starocci and Lewis to take an Olympic redshirt for a run at 74kg than bump up to 184lbs/86kg.

Not sure. Fix and Vito both have another year should they choose to use it. I'd guess it's possible they switch weights if they choose to wrestle to better align with an Olympic weight, but I'd pick either over Nagao next season. If they sit out they could use an olympic redshirt and return the next year. In the long term, Nagao may be he the biggest impact as only he and Vionovich have 3 years remaining and Mesenbrink is the only one with 4. Nagao could have 3 top 3 finishes at PSU.

Do you mean 184 or 174? I am not sure if Griffith goes 174 or 165. I think the chances of him going 184 are slim. Wrestlestat has him at 174 and my statements were assuming he goes up to 174. My thoughts were that Lewis and Starocci at 174 would be as tough for him to get past as O'Toole and Carr at 165. He could win either weight, but I think Truax is more likely to win 184 or 197 (Do we know for sure where he will be either?) than Griffith is to win 165 or 174.

Problem is he is moving into a weight that also has two returning NCAA champs (Lewis and Starocci). I'll say Truax scores the most points at NCAA points on that list. Probably not the biggest impact as PSU would win the title without him. Biggest impact in terms of accounting for the largest % of his team's NCAA point total would be Seth Nevills. Michigan will have the most NCAA points from transfers collectively and Griffith might be that sweet spot of highest % of team points for a trophy team.

They sold out the last time they were supposed to be in State College (2020). Tickets were half the price then. B cause of COVID they ended up being held in Fort Worth, TX at reduced capacity. This presale was for people who had purchased tickets for the 2020 trials in State College that were cancelled.

The tickets were definitely more expensive. I recall that there were upper level tickets available for $58 or $102 last time. This time they were closer to $250. Lower level tickets seems about 2x more expensive as well. There were definitely some shenanigans with the ticket prices this time. I saw some seats where seats 1 and 2 in the row were $20.50 more than seats 3 and 4. They were sold in pairs so I'm not sure if seat 1 was $20.50 more, it was $10.25 extra split evenly over the two seats, or distributed some other way. In any event, I had never seen a premium for seats at the end of a row like that.

Are you not entertained?

Overall the Neumann part was the worst bit. Neumann would have had a duty to report Plienis's gambling. Not only did he not do that but then he loaned him money and covered it up. Neumann's involvement made it a major violation. For Plienis's part I'm not sure the loan was worse than the gambling. I feel like athletes have received small impermissible benefits akin to an interest free $500 loan for a few months without it ending their college careers. It was more the gambling that lead to his death penalty. I think if Neumann had loaned him $500 to fix his car Plienis would have wrestled again.

The last gambling related story that I can think of in NCAA wrestling was at Nebraska. The Nebraska heavyweight JR Plienis got into some gambling debt betting on football (college and pro) and borrowed some money from the Nebraska head coach Tim Neumann to pay the debit. Neumann I think actually took program money for the loan and he ultimately resigned over it and other accusation of improper compensation. Mark Manning was hired as his replacement. Plienis transferred, but was ruled permanently ineligible by the NCAA for the gambling.

Betting on yourself to cover the spread can be problematic too. Can cause nonsensical play calling, suboptimal strategy, or excessive risk to try and cover the spread Betting on yourself in a money line situation would have less of a conflict of interest, but in some sports spread betting is standard.

I think betting on yourself can have certain conflicts of interest too. In theory betting on yourself shouldn't present a conflict of interest, but in practice there are a lot of ways one can wager on a sporting event. The most famous college sports betting scandal in history didn't involve throwing games but shaving points. The team with the players in on the fix still won, but just not by enough to cover the spread. Betting on yourself to win a wrestling match any outcome no point spread sounds fine in concept, but what about betting to win by second period fall? I have an issue with that. Betting to win by decision? Also not good. Betting to win with a point spread? I don't like that either. A wrestler might be ahead late, but must win by 3 to cover the spread on his wager. I wouldn't want my wrestlers in a position like that where they are taking unnecessary risk late in a match because they are trying to win a bet. The NCAA has rules that prohibit athletes from betting on any sport they sponsor at any level. It's probably for the best. If an athlete/gambler ends up taking large losses with their wagers on other sports or even on themselves to win they might become beholden to an unsavory individual who wants him to fix some event or tempted to bet on events they are participating in so they can influence the outcome. The rule serves a purpose.

The MN number isn't right. The govsalaries had him earning $150k in 2018 and all years subsequent were around $40k. Not sure what changed in their reporting, but I don't believe he took a $110k paycut. He's probably around Clemson at $190k.

There was a topic on this a month or so back. At that time, I was able to find Goodale's University pay. NU and PSU are trickier to find since they are private institutions. Being non-profits there are some reporting requirements, but much less than state run institutions. https://intermatforums.com/topic/1750-what-are-the-top-20-wrestling-head-coaches-salaries/

Brands and the entire staff took a hair cut during COVID. "Wrestling head coach Tom Brands, who signed a new contract in February 2020 as the pandemic was about to begin, took his 15 percent cut from his July 1, 2020 salary — which increased from $190,000 to $350,000. In addition to Brands' $52,500 pay cut, he took another $30,000 budget reduction. His associates, Terry Brands and Ryan Morningstar trimmed their salaries according to the sliding scale Barta announced last summer — knocking $20,500 off Terry Brands' pay." https://www.galesburg.com/story/sports/college/football/2021/05/14/iowas-football-coaches-didnt-take-pay-cuts-pandemic/5091682001/

Indeed and especially so since they had paid his predecessor, Duane Goldman, $156,135 in 2018. $45k less for better results. Look at Terry Brands's salary as a guide and Cunningham is almost surely in the top 10 of all coaches including head coaches. The only private school coaches not on the list above that might be above him are his boss Sanderson, Santoro, and Koll. Half those guys have won team titles (Sanderson, Ryan, Brands). Maybe Dresser, Smith, Bormet make more. Suffice it to say that the likes of Terry Brands and Casey Cunningham would not be leaving for more money. There are maybe 10 school that would even match what they are making and they already work at two of them.

Terry Brand $227,402 in 2022 Ryan Morningstar $127,232 in 2022

Pitt and PSU are "state related" institutions. They are independent non-profit organizations that receive funding from the state government. PA residents do have reduced tuition there because of the state funding arrangement, but university employees are not state employees. This is contract to employees of the PASSHE schools (Bloomsburg, Clarion, Lock Haven, ect) that are directly run by the state. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_System_of_Higher_Education

Yeah I think he is getting more than that and they must just be reporting things differently. I found elsewhere that he was paid $150,000 in 2018, but that was all I could find for 2021 or 2022. He is probably near $200.

Yeah most of these are government employees so their salaries are public record. Most I think should include bonuses paid, but maybe not housing or something not directly paid. The one one I am sure is wrong is Eggum. I think that is not being reported correctly although it was from gov salaries. It is probably $190-$220k Big programs that I'm missing PSU, Pitt, Cornell, Lehigh, Stanford, Princeton, Northwestern, Penn. Coaches would not be state employees at these places so there wouldn't be a reporting requirement. So I didn't really look although one of the parties could report the number to someone or it could have leaked.

John Smith $562,320.05 in 2022. Tom Brands $550,000 in 2022-23 Tom Ryan $406,980.00 in 2022. Kevin Dresser $325,000 in 2022 Bryan Smith $313,657 in 2022 Sean Bormet $300,000 in 2022. Chris Bono $267,385 in 2022 Larry Jones $261,269 in 2021 Scott Goodale $248,180 in 2021 Lou Roselli $235,000 in 2022-23? Patrick Popolizio $228,575 in 2022 Mark Manning $221,204 in 2021-22. Douglas Schwab $190,504 in 2022 Alex Clemson $189,000 in 2021 Coleman Scott $170,000 in 2022. Chris Pendleton $165,000 Anthony Robie $160,000 in 2022. Scott Moore $113,473 in 2021 Angel Escobedo $111,861.29 in 2021. Matt Hill $80,683 in 2022 Keith Ferraro $78,145 in 2021 Marcus Gordan $73,433 in 2022. Brandon Eggum $41,320 in 2022.

John Smith is the 25th highest paid employee at OSU $562,320.05 in 2022.

You are correct. The main reason I replied was to point out that Burroughs won their last folkstyle meeting, which was Burroughs's junior year. I think a lot of people forget about that match because Schlatter ended up redshirting that year.