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Well it looks like you were right on all counts. Ramirez won and wrestlestat now has Monday's win total at 93 after EIWAs. I think he somehow lost a win on there since we initially discussed this. I thought he was at 90 on wrestle stat with a Bucknell dual, EIWAs and NCAAs to get 90 wins. Now after 3 wins at EIWAs and the 1 against BUcknell they have him at EIWAs he has 93, so he lost one, but it wasn't that Michael Wilson match. Either that or I was wrong to start. 7 wins at NCAAs is not I'm possible, but without a pigtail the only way to get 7 Ws would be to lose in either the first or second round and wrestle all the way back to place 3rd.

Pat Smith has the longest unbeaten streak in OSU history with 98 straight matches. John Smith is second with 90 followed by Dieringer with 82. John Smith's and Dieringer's streaks are wining streaks. Pat Smith drew a match his junior year. The top three winning streaks would be John Smith (90), Alex Dieringer (82), Mike Sheets (74). Kyle Dake has the longest winning streak in Cornell history with 77 straight. Second Is Yianni with 75. Gabe Dean is in 3rd position with 52 straight wins. Ben Askren owns the longest winning streak in Missouri history with 87 straight. Second is probably J'den Cox with 57 straight. Nick Gwiazdowski has the longest winning streak in NC State history with 84 matches. Cole Konrad has the longest winning streak in MN history with 76 straight wins. Dustin Schlatter is second with 65 followed by Tim Hartung with 58. Stephen Abas won 95 straight matches at Fresno State.

Jim Zalesky has the longest winning streak in the history of Iowa wrestling, 89 straight. Troy Steiner is second with 74. Followed by Metcalf and Tom Brands with 69. Zain Retherford has the longest winning streak in PSU wrestling history with 94 straight. Ed Ruth is second with 84 Straight. Kerry McCoy 3rd with 73.

Maybe CMU should consider dropping the sport too?

This has been a pretty unpredictable year. Still I suspect this will shake themselves out before NCAAs and we won't seen any unseeded finalists in Tulsa.

That bracket (149, 2008) gets all the attention. I always thought 157 from 2009 was as good or better and most of the hype surrounding 149 was from ultimately how they developed later on and was not there before the bracket was wrestled like 133 would have been in 2020. That's 8 NCAA titles and an additional 5 finals appearances. Every wrestler at least wrestled in an NCAA final and 6/8 won it. That's mostly retrospective though. The only guy with a title at this point was Schlatter and the only one with a finals appearance was Churella who lost in the 2007 final. Ryan Lang, 2nd at 141 in 2007, was in this bracket and DNPed as well as Don Fisch (5th 141 2007). Jake Patacsil, Adam Hall, and Bryce Saddoris were also in the bracket and went on to AA later in their careers. This bracket only features three wrestlers that would ultimately win 4 NCAA titles and 4 other finals appearances. The difference is that most of that had happened before this bracket was wrestled. Gillespie had won a title at 149 in 2007 and many of those guys from 149 in 2008 were in that and Poeta and Lee were the returning finalists from the previous year. Also J.P. O'Connor placed in the 2008 149lb bracket moved up and DNP. Cyler Sanderson was a returning AA (7th 157) who DNPed. Finally Adam Hall, Jason Welch and Justin Gaethje were in the bracket too.

Isn't the choice between these two obvious? The only difference is Eggum and Jones in 2000 vs Hahn and Lambrecht in 2001. I'd say Hahn and Lambrecht>Eggum and Jones. Nate Patrick was also in both brackets (2 seed in 2001) and Scott Justus who would be the 1 seed the following year in a bracket that is better for the busted discussion.

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Sitting out might not have helped without a rule change. Supposing the NCAA made no change. Only those incentivized to sit out would be those who have not yet wrestled a collegiate match or have a redshirt left, because unless they made a rule change to pause the 5 year clock you are still missing a year. Given that they changed the 5 year rule for those affected by covid to a 6 year rule incentivizing people to compete with a free year is probably necessary. So to answer your question there are really three options 1) No rule changes. 5 year clock and competing in 2020-2021 counts as a competition year 2) Change the 4 years of competition in 5 years of school to 4 years of competition in 5 years and competing in 2020-2021 counts against a competition year. 3) Change the 4/5 to 4/6 years, but competition in 2020-2021 doesn't use a year of competition. I think 3) gets the most wrestlers competing, 1) the second most, and 2) the fewest by far.

Grant saved his best performance for the NCAA tournament that season. He lost to Gable in a dual 3/7. Then he lost to Gable's teammate Carl Adams in the Big 12 final on 3/14. Grant rebounded to win NCAAs beating Ben Ferraro in the final on 3/28. Ferraro avenged this loss a few weeks later in the NWCA All Star Classic on 4/11.

Is that not an official win? Wilson would have been a enrolled student redshirting. It's not like wrestling a Spartan Combat opponent that is not enrolled in classes. If it didn't count as an official win in 2019-2020 did the rule change this year? Now that guys on a redshirt can wrestle in duals, it's hard to imagine those dual matches not counting. Or now do duals count, but tournaments do not? Ex. Dayton Pitzer's midlands matches don't count, but the duals do. I think if the wrestler is enrolled in classes they should count even if he is redshirting. Finally even with 89 and not winning EIWAs 100 is a remote possibility. A win at Bucknell and 2nd at EIWAs would be 4 wins. Third at NCAAs with a loss in either of the the first two rounds would be 7 wins and make 100 on the nose. Monday could avoid Ramirez at NCAAs in this scenario if Ramirez made the final opening the path for Monday to place 3rd.

Maybe not that close. It was impossible for him to win 4 to begin with. He nearly won 3 at 3 and beat the champ in a 4th weight a few weeks before the tournament.

Is one of Monday's wins on Wrestlestat not D1? They have 90. Princeton has 1 dual (Bucknell), EIWAs and NCAAs left. Winning EIWAs (he is the favorite) and the Bucknell dual should give him 5 more Ws. Five wins is possible at NCAAs if he wins the tournament or places 3rd. It can also happen with a 4th or 5th place finish if he loses before the semis. He could also get a sixth win at NCAAs if he places 3rd and loses before the semis or even a 7th if he loses in the first two rounds. A decent shot if he has 90 and some chance with 89.

JP O'Conner DNPed in that bracket.

Lucas Davison can do it. He has 70 wins and a year left. He had 26 wins last season, so it's not impossible he will get a similar number next season. Kerkvliet could do it too. He had 44 with two years left. He will probably finish this year over 50 with two years left. He is often injured, but won 22 matches last year. Wyatt Hendrickson is at 64 with potentially two years left. Zach Elam has 70 with a seasons remaining. He won 25 as a freshman so it isn't too far off. Cohlton Schultz is at 55 with two years remaining. Should finish the year over 60 and 20/year isn't crazy. Hilger is at 90 wins. Probably isn't getting 10 Ws the rest of the year. 1 dual, big tens, and NCAAs left. Bonaccorsi is at 88. Probably not enough dates to get to 100 - 1 dual, conferences, and NCAAs Ethan Laird is at 90. Probably doesn't make it either, But Rider has more dates left than most 3 duals, conferences, and NCAAs. Rocky Elam is at 48 with two years left. It is possible. Hidlay is at 71 with a year left. Trey Munoz has 50 with two years left. Finesilver is at 99. Layne Malczewski is at 77 with a season left. Plott is at 53 with two years left. Starocci is at 52 with two years left, although I recall him saying he wasn't planning on using year 6.

He was as the 10 seed! crazy

This season at 165lbs there are three returning champions - David Carr (157 2021) , Keegan O'Toole (165 2022), and Shane Griffith (165 2021). Has this ever happened before? I can't think of an instance of three returning NCAA champs in the same bracket at NCAAs. The closest is probably 157lbs in 2009. Gregor Gillespie (149 2007) and Jordan Leen (157 2008) were in the same bracket at NCAAs and wrestled for 3rd. Dustin Schlatter (149 2006) had moved up to 157lbs that year, but he either redshirted from the outset or got injured and took an injury redshirt. He wrestled the eventual champion, Jordan Burroughs, at the Kaufman Brand Open in a match won by Burroughs. Additionally the 157lb runner-up from 2008, Poeta, was in this weight and made the final again which he lost to Burroughs.

They met in the 2nd ISU-OU dual of the year 3/7/1970. It was a 9-4 Gable win. It's interesting. Dake's 4 championships in 4 weights is a very unique accomplishment. Gable nearly did something similar 1968 - NCAA Champ 130lbs 1969 - NCAA Champ 137lbs Weights changed 123, 130, 137, 145 changed to 126, 134, 142, and 150 1970 - NCAA runner up at 142 3/28. Defeated NCAA champ at 150, Grant, 9-4 on 3/7.

1970 Gable-Grant Dual - addition 1972 Dziedzic-Adams All Star 1972 Dziedzic-Adams NCAAs - addition 1977 Jackson-Belenburg NCAAs 1980 Lewis-Burley Dual 1980 Lewis-Burley All Star 1980 Lewis-Burley NCAAs 1981 Lewis-Burley Dual 1982 Ed Banach- Mark Schultz Midlands 1982 Ed Banach- Mark Schultz Dual 1982 Ed Banach- Mark Schultz NCAAs 1992 Prescott-Terry Brands Dual 1995 Branch-Mollica Dual 1995 Branch-Mollica All Star 1995 Branch-Mollica NCAAs 1996 Branch-Mollica Las Vegas 1996 Branch-Mollica Dual 1997 Bono-McIlravy Dual? 1997 Bono-McIlravy Midlands 1997 Bono-McIlravy NCAAs 1999 Fullhart-Hartung Dual 1999 Fullhart-Hartung Big Tens 1999 Fullhart-Hartung NCAAs 2004 Mocco-Rowlands NCAAs - Didn't Happen Mocco redshirted 2004 Lee-Thompson Dual 2004 Lee-Thompson NCAAs 2006 Letters- Hendricks Dual 2009 Herbert-Pucillo Dual 2009 Herbert-Pucillo NCAAs 2009 Leen-Gillespie NCAAs - addition 2010 Escobedo-Nickerson NCAAs 2011 Howe-Burroughs Midlands 2013 Ruth-Bosak Scuffle 2013 Ruth-Bosak NCAAs 2013 Dake-Taylor All Star Dake 100-4, Taylor 70-1, Combined 170-5 2013 Dake-Taylor Scuffle 2013 Dake-Taylor NCAAs 2013 Wright-Kilgore NCAAs 2014 Stieber-Maple All Star 2014 Perry-Howe Dual 2014 Perry-Howe Big Tens 12s 2014 Perry Howe NCAAs 2016 Snyder-Gwiazdowski NCAAs Snyder 40-4, Gwiazdowski 139-11 2017 Martin-Dean All Star 2017 Martin-Dean Dual 2018 Nickal-Martin Dual Nickal 79-3, Martin 87-15, Combined 166-18 2018 Nickal-Martin Big Tens Nickal 84-3, Martin 92-16, Combined 176-19 2018 Nickal-Martin NCAAs Nickal 89-3, Martin 96-17, Combined 185-20 2018 Joseph-IMar Big Tens Joseph 42-5, Imar 111-2, Combined 153-7 2018 Joseph-IMar NCAAs Joseph 46-6. Imar 116-2, Combined 162-8 2019 Hall-Valencia Dual Hall 70-4, Valencia 79-1, Combined 149-5 2019 Hall-Valencia NCAAs Hall 93-4, Valencia 100-3, Combined 193-7 2022 Starocci-Lewis NCAAs Sartocci 36-2 Lewis 72-5, Combined 108-7 2023 Starocci-Lewis All Star Starocci 38-2, Lewis 75-6, Combined 113-8 2023 Carr-O'Toole Dual Carr 84-2, O'Toole 56-1, Combined 140-3

Also if I included post grad matchups at Midlands there would be many more. Those seem more relevant than freestyle Midlands use collegiate rules.

These ones are hard to spot. No good source for regular season data that far back and they wrestled different weights at NCAAs. My list only have a few of these cross weight matchups. Back before the weight cutting rules changed in the late 1990s they were probably much more prevalent. Moving weights mid season was much more prevalent and some guys would wrestle the whole season at a higher weight because they don't want to cut and then drop right before the post season. Here are the cross weight matchups from the list 1992 Prescott-Terry Brands Dual 2014 Stieber-Maple All Star

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Kolodzik pulled his redshirt because it became apparent during the course of the season that Princeton had a legit shot at winning the Ivy League title. Cornell, the perennial champ of the league, was depleted with their top 3 wrestlers (Yianni, Dean, and Vito) on Olympic redshirt. They ended up beating Cornell 19-13 so Kolodzik's contribution proved decisive and Princeton won their 1st Ivy League title since 1986. All Ivy wrestlers got screwed more than most as none could benefit from the free 2021 year without transferring. Any that wrestled in 2020 lost a shot at NCAAs and didn't get the free year unless they transferred. Kolodzik entered NCAAs undefeated and seeded 6th. He had a chance to win it, but maybe not a better chance than the 1 seed Pat Lugo. Lugo also missed out on an excellent shot at a team title. Top seeds that wrestled their last eligible year in 2020. 125: Jack Mueller: 4th seed,14-1, finalist 2019 125: Nick Piccininni: 3rd seed, 26-2 133: Seth Gross: 2nd seed, 27-2, 2017 NCAA champ 133: Chaz Tucker: 3rd seed, 31-0, never AAed 141: Luke Pletcher: 1 seed, 26-1 149: Pat Lugo: 1 seed 21-1 149: Matt Kolodzik: 6th seed, 14-0 165: Vincenzo Joseph: 2nd seed, 15-1 174: Mark Hall: 1 seed, 23-1 2017 NCAA Champ 174: Jordan Kutler: 3 seed, 21-1 174: Bryce Steiert: 5th seed 27-3 174: Joe Smith: 12 seed, 12-6 184: Taylor Lujan: 1 seed, 28-2, Never AAed 197: Kollin Moore: 1 seed, 27-0 197: Ben Darmstadt, 4 seed, 28-6 285: Tanner Hall, 4seed 23-3 (Imagine if he had taken a second Olympic redshirt and got 2021 for free and was able to compete in 2022 as well) Other wrestler that had eligibility left and used some of it but never duplicated their 2020 success. 133: Micky Phillippi: 4 seed, 25-1, has not AAed to date 133: Sebastian Rivera: 1 seed, 13-2, never won a title 149: Boo Lewallen: 5th seed, 21-2, wrestled in 2021, did not return in 2022 165: Alex Marinelli: 1 seed, 20-1, never won a title 174: Jake Kemerer: 2 seed, 15-1, never won a title 184: Hunter Bolen: 2 seed, 24-2, 7th place in 2021, DNP 2022, ranked 7th 2023 197: Noah Adams: 2 seed, 32-0, wrestled in 2021, did not return in 2022, never AAed