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Is that an A for Starocci and Brooks or A minus? It seems like it is A minus, but you may have just changed format for these two individuals. Previously and subsequently you had a period after the grade and all minus grades did not have a space after the letter. These guys don't have a period and there is a space between the grade and the - so I'm not sure if this is a minus or a dash.

He was also a transfer of sorts from PSU. https://www.pennstatewrestlingclub.org/history/index.php?view=wrestlerstats&wrestler=489

Jones is the oldest ever NCAA champion. He was 27 years old when he won the title. No idea of the oldest AA.

Back to the topic at hand Couture was about 3 months shy of his 29th birthday when he lost in the NCAA final to Mark Kerr.

That's fair. July I'd count with high school too.

Ah yeah. For whatever reason that 1977 junior world title wasn't showing in Lewis's database entry. Not sure when in 1977 that tournament was contested, but junior worlds at least in recent years are held in the October-November time frame. I think in October 1977 Lewis would have been in his first semester at the University of Iowa. So it perhaps is a little unfair to include that in high school accolades if it was in October/November 1977 and possibly after Lewis had already represented Iowa in competition. On the other hand Lewis would have turned 18 in June 1977 so he was a fairly young college freshman. Still I would count something he did after graduating high school and starting classes in college among high school accolades. On the other hand Storley was comparatively older when he graduated high school and turned 19 the September he started at Minnesota.

Storley won a junior world title? Which year? I don't see his name on the list linked below, nor was it in his entry in the UWW database. The only thing there was 8th place at the 2011 Junior World Cup. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Cadet,_Junior,_and_Espoir_World_Champions_in_men's_freestyle_wrestling

Wrestlestat has him at 95. If he wins NCAAs that will be 5 more. Consolations will depend a little on when you enter them. If he loses in the semis then 3rd is the only way to get to 5 Ws. If he loses earlier he can win 5 with a lower placement.

Well it looks like you were right on all counts. Ramirez won and wrestlestat now has Monday's win total at 93 after EIWAs. I think he somehow lost a win on there since we initially discussed this. I thought he was at 90 on wrestle stat with a Bucknell dual, EIWAs and NCAAs to get 90 wins. Now after 3 wins at EIWAs and the 1 against BUcknell they have him at EIWAs he has 93, so he lost one, but it wasn't that Michael Wilson match. Either that or I was wrong to start. 7 wins at NCAAs is not I'm possible, but without a pigtail the only way to get 7 Ws would be to lose in either the first or second round and wrestle all the way back to place 3rd.

Pat Smith has the longest unbeaten streak in OSU history with 98 straight matches. John Smith is second with 90 followed by Dieringer with 82. John Smith's and Dieringer's streaks are wining streaks. Pat Smith drew a match his junior year. The top three winning streaks would be John Smith (90), Alex Dieringer (82), Mike Sheets (74). Kyle Dake has the longest winning streak in Cornell history with 77 straight. Second Is Yianni with 75. Gabe Dean is in 3rd position with 52 straight wins. Ben Askren owns the longest winning streak in Missouri history with 87 straight. Second is probably J'den Cox with 57 straight. Nick Gwiazdowski has the longest winning streak in NC State history with 84 matches. Cole Konrad has the longest winning streak in MN history with 76 straight wins. Dustin Schlatter is second with 65 followed by Tim Hartung with 58. Stephen Abas won 95 straight matches at Fresno State.

Jim Zalesky has the longest winning streak in the history of Iowa wrestling, 89 straight. Troy Steiner is second with 74. Followed by Metcalf and Tom Brands with 69. Zain Retherford has the longest winning streak in PSU wrestling history with 94 straight. Ed Ruth is second with 84 Straight. Kerry McCoy 3rd with 73.

Maybe CMU should consider dropping the sport too?

This has been a pretty unpredictable year. Still I suspect this will shake themselves out before NCAAs and we won't seen any unseeded finalists in Tulsa.

That bracket (149, 2008) gets all the attention. I always thought 157 from 2009 was as good or better and most of the hype surrounding 149 was from ultimately how they developed later on and was not there before the bracket was wrestled like 133 would have been in 2020. That's 8 NCAA titles and an additional 5 finals appearances. Every wrestler at least wrestled in an NCAA final and 6/8 won it. That's mostly retrospective though. The only guy with a title at this point was Schlatter and the only one with a finals appearance was Churella who lost in the 2007 final. Ryan Lang, 2nd at 141 in 2007, was in this bracket and DNPed as well as Don Fisch (5th 141 2007). Jake Patacsil, Adam Hall, and Bryce Saddoris were also in the bracket and went on to AA later in their careers. This bracket only features three wrestlers that would ultimately win 4 NCAA titles and 4 other finals appearances. The difference is that most of that had happened before this bracket was wrestled. Gillespie had won a title at 149 in 2007 and many of those guys from 149 in 2008 were in that and Poeta and Lee were the returning finalists from the previous year. Also J.P. O'Connor placed in the 2008 149lb bracket moved up and DNP. Cyler Sanderson was a returning AA (7th 157) who DNPed. Finally Adam Hall, Jason Welch and Justin Gaethje were in the bracket too.

Isn't the choice between these two obvious? The only difference is Eggum and Jones in 2000 vs Hahn and Lambrecht in 2001. I'd say Hahn and Lambrecht>Eggum and Jones. Nate Patrick was also in both brackets (2 seed in 2001) and Scott Justus who would be the 1 seed the following year in a bracket that is better for the busted discussion.

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Sitting out might not have helped without a rule change. Supposing the NCAA made no change. Only those incentivized to sit out would be those who have not yet wrestled a collegiate match or have a redshirt left, because unless they made a rule change to pause the 5 year clock you are still missing a year. Given that they changed the 5 year rule for those affected by covid to a 6 year rule incentivizing people to compete with a free year is probably necessary. So to answer your question there are really three options 1) No rule changes. 5 year clock and competing in 2020-2021 counts as a competition year 2) Change the 4 years of competition in 5 years of school to 4 years of competition in 5 years and competing in 2020-2021 counts against a competition year. 3) Change the 4/5 to 4/6 years, but competition in 2020-2021 doesn't use a year of competition. I think 3) gets the most wrestlers competing, 1) the second most, and 2) the fewest by far.

Grant saved his best performance for the NCAA tournament that season. He lost to Gable in a dual 3/7. Then he lost to Gable's teammate Carl Adams in the Big 12 final on 3/14. Grant rebounded to win NCAAs beating Ben Ferraro in the final on 3/28. Ferraro avenged this loss a few weeks later in the NWCA All Star Classic on 4/11.

Is that not an official win? Wilson would have been a enrolled student redshirting. It's not like wrestling a Spartan Combat opponent that is not enrolled in classes. If it didn't count as an official win in 2019-2020 did the rule change this year? Now that guys on a redshirt can wrestle in duals, it's hard to imagine those dual matches not counting. Or now do duals count, but tournaments do not? Ex. Dayton Pitzer's midlands matches don't count, but the duals do. I think if the wrestler is enrolled in classes they should count even if he is redshirting. Finally even with 89 and not winning EIWAs 100 is a remote possibility. A win at Bucknell and 2nd at EIWAs would be 4 wins. Third at NCAAs with a loss in either of the the first two rounds would be 7 wins and make 100 on the nose. Monday could avoid Ramirez at NCAAs in this scenario if Ramirez made the final opening the path for Monday to place 3rd.

Maybe not that close. It was impossible for him to win 4 to begin with. He nearly won 3 at 3 and beat the champ in a 4th weight a few weeks before the tournament.

Is one of Monday's wins on Wrestlestat not D1? They have 90. Princeton has 1 dual (Bucknell), EIWAs and NCAAs left. Winning EIWAs (he is the favorite) and the Bucknell dual should give him 5 more Ws. Five wins is possible at NCAAs if he wins the tournament or places 3rd. It can also happen with a 4th or 5th place finish if he loses before the semis. He could also get a sixth win at NCAAs if he places 3rd and loses before the semis or even a 7th if he loses in the first two rounds. A decent shot if he has 90 and some chance with 89.

JP O'Conner DNPed in that bracket.

Lucas Davison can do it. He has 70 wins and a year left. He had 26 wins last season, so it's not impossible he will get a similar number next season. Kerkvliet could do it too. He had 44 with two years left. He will probably finish this year over 50 with two years left. He is often injured, but won 22 matches last year. Wyatt Hendrickson is at 64 with potentially two years left. Zach Elam has 70 with a seasons remaining. He won 25 as a freshman so it isn't too far off. Cohlton Schultz is at 55 with two years remaining. Should finish the year over 60 and 20/year isn't crazy. Hilger is at 90 wins. Probably isn't getting 10 Ws the rest of the year. 1 dual, big tens, and NCAAs left. Bonaccorsi is at 88. Probably not enough dates to get to 100 - 1 dual, conferences, and NCAAs Ethan Laird is at 90. Probably doesn't make it either, But Rider has more dates left than most 3 duals, conferences, and NCAAs. Rocky Elam is at 48 with two years left. It is possible. Hidlay is at 71 with a year left. Trey Munoz has 50 with two years left. Finesilver is at 99. Layne Malczewski is at 77 with a season left. Plott is at 53 with two years left. Starocci is at 52 with two years left, although I recall him saying he wasn't planning on using year 6.