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They used the 3 point TD scoring at Who's #1 this year and there were 1 PF, 0 TF, 1 MD, 8 dec. I only counted the boys results as I think the women used freestyle rules.

2014 PSU won NCAAs with 109.5 team points. Minnesota finished 2nd with 104 team points. In the regular season MN beat PSU 18-17, which was PSU's only dual loss of the season. MN lost an earlier dual 19-14 to Michigan. Michigan had 4 dual losses that year and MN was missing Zilverberg and a Dardaness for that dual. MN was likely the best dual team. Both teams were essentially full strength for that dual. PSU wrestled Beitz instead of English at 149 and MN wrestled Kingsley instead of Brancale. English for Bietz might seem like it could have made a difference because English placed at NCAAs that year but Bietz lost to Dardaness is OT and Dardaness beat English a few weeks later at Big Tens. The real difference making in the dual was Ness pinning Alton. At Big Tens PSU won with 140.5 and MN was 3rd with 118.5. Similarly at the Scuffle PSU won with 189 and MN was 3rd with 161. #1 Penn State 17, #3 Minnesota 18 February 9, 2014 - Minneapolis, Minn. 125: #2 Nico Megaludis PSU maj. dec. Jordan Kingsley MINN, 19-5 -- 4-0 133: #8 David Thorn MINN dec. #16 Jimmy Gulibon PSU, 2-0 -- 4-3 141: #2 Zain Retherford PSU dec. #6 Chris Dardanes MINN, 4-0 -- 7-3 149: #3 Nick Dardanes MINN dec. (SV2) Zack Beitz PSU, 6-4 (SV2) -- 7-6 157: #8 Dylan Ness MINN pinned #4 Dylan Alton PSU, WBF (5:57) -- 7-12 165: #1 David Taylor PSU maj. dec. Danny Zilverberg MINN, 13-3 -- 11-12 174: #6 Logan Storley MINN dec. #3 Matt Brown PSU, 8-4 -- 11-15 184: #2 Ed Ruth PSU dec. #8 Kevin Steinhaus MINN, 7-1 -- 14-15 197: #5 Morgan McIntosh PSU dec. #1 Scott Schiller MINN, 8-4 -- 17-15 285: #5 Tony Nelson MINN dec. Jon Gingrich PSU, 6-0 -- 17-18

Yeah that's what I intended. Didn't realize I was in the international forum. if he keeps getting younger that will be the case.

On FRL today they were discussing the coaching moves at UNC Chapel Hill and OSU. It came up that John Smith was 58 years old and they couldn't think of anyone older. He can't be the oldest head coach in D1. When listening Rob Koll immediately came to mind. He won NCAAs in 1988 (UNC's 2nd ever) the same year John Smith won his second title. They must be about the same age. Who are the other elder statesmen in the D1 coaching ranks? John Smith 1988 graduate of OSU 58 years old. OSU head coach Rob Koll 1988 graduate of UNC Chapel Hill. Stanford head coach. Tom Borrelli 1979 graduate of the Citadel. CMU Head coach. - His name came up but they weren't sure of his age. Nate Carr 1983 graduate of ISU. 63 years old. Davidson head coach. Kevin Dresser 1986 graduate of the University of Iowa. 60 years old. ISU head coach. Pat Santoro 1989 graduate of Pitt. Lehigh head coach. Mark Manning 1985 graduate of University of Nebraska-Omaha. Nebraska Lincoln head coach. - He also came up. Roger Reina 1984 graduate of the University of Pennsylvania. Current Penn head coach. Mark Cody 1985 graduate of University of Missouri. Head coach Presbyterian College.

Would Colon be tied with him? Is he still on staff at Northwestern? I'd still pick Gwiz over him in a match either way.

Dlagnev is the most recent Olympic medalist with a job. Sanderson is the most recent Olympic champ with a job. Dlagnev is also the most recent Olympian in a coaching role. Are Dennis or Molinaro on staff anywhere? If so then they are tied.

That is true. With assistants on the table there are a few more big men in the pool. Dlagnev at Nebraska. Gwiz is probably the pick.

Of course they are different sizes. You're thinking Joel Greenlee? The only head coach that was a former 285.

Weren't those agreements terminated and short lived? Is there still a school being sponsored today?

I mean at some point you have to accept reality and take the L. It's not like they can appeal beyond the Supreme Court. What should they have done? Paid to lobby for a new law that would withstand scrutiny by the court. That would have been a waste of money. Or should they have maintained the prohibition on hosting championships in states with legal sports gambling? With a dozen or so states with bills already drafted to legalize sports gambling before the decision was even announced this would have created operational issues. Today about 30 states and DC have legal sports gambling. The Big East would not be able to host their championships on any member campus. The Big Ten wrestling tournament could only take place at the University of MN or a neutral site. In what way have they got in bed with gambling?

I'm not sure this is a fair reading of the situation. The NCAA and other professional sports leagues have sued many times over the year ago prevent legalization of sports betting. Indeed the NCAA was the defendant in the case (Murphy vs. NCAA) that went to the supreme court in 2018 (they lost) which paved the way for states to legalize sports betting. They were not advocating or asking for this.

Cuba's last world champ in freestyle was at a non-Olympic weight.

Many university employees are banned from betting under NCAA rules. The president of a university is definitely prohibited from wagering on his/her university. Athletics staff cannot bet either. I really don't know about professors. A recent ESPN article said the NCAA betting rules apply to "student-athletes, coaches, administrators and officials." I guess that leaves open the possibility of some staff being exempted from them. I think there could be the possibility for a conflict of interest with a professor, so it would make sense if they were banned. A professor could bet against his employer to win an athletic competition and then fail a key player in their class which could rule them ineligible and by extension influence the result. If I were writing the rule I would ban all university employees from wagering on NCAA sports. I think this is pretty standard in professional sports (MLB, NFL, NBA, NHL). If you work for the league or a team you cannot wager on their competitions.

Those 4 words permanent loss of eligibility are in the guidelines, but you are taking them out of context. In context from the NCAA website it says, "will potentially face permanent loss of collegiate eligibility in all sports." DI approves changes to reinstatement guidelines for sports wagering violations - NCAA.org

CP said it on FRL today. "One thing to know. If you bet on your institution going to be like an automatic year. And so, if you bet on the Iowa-Iowa State football game, which I know some athletes did on Iowa State, from what I'm told then they're going to lose a year. And so if Hawkeyes did that it sounds like there's going to be no exceptions, you're going to lose a year for that." They didn't expand upon where the automatic one year came from in terms of the guidelines. I've pasted the guidelines as released by the NCAA below. There really isn't a minimum guideline for athletes that influence outcomes, wager on their own games, or other sports at their own school. It simply says that permeant loss of eligibility is a potential penalty. It doesn't list that penalty for gambling on an athlete's sport involving other schools or other violations with cumulative wages totaling $800 or less. One might infer that the NCAA sees these kinds of violations as more serious than those and that the minimum punishment would be worse than the guidelines for those. The guidelines for those topped out at 50% of the season for wagering on a competition in the same sport at another school. It probably a safe assumption that a ban between 51% of a season and 100% the remaining career would be considered for athletes that bet on competition involving their own institution. Student-athletes who engage in activities to influence the outcomes of their own games or knowingly provide information to individuals involved in sports betting activities will potentially face permanent loss of collegiate eligibility in all sports. This would also apply to student-athletes who wager on their own games or on other sports at their own schools. If a student-athlete wagers on their own sport at another school, education on sports wagering rules and prevention will be required as a condition of reinstatement, and the loss of 50% of one season of eligibility will be considered. For all other wagering-related violations (e.g., wagering on professional sports), cumulative dollar value of the wagers will be taken into consideration with the following terms for reinstatement: $200 or less: sports wagering rules and prevention education. $201-$500: loss of 10% of a season of eligibility, plus rules and prevention education. $501-$800: loss of 20% of a season of eligibility, plus rules and prevention education. Greater than $800: loss of 30% of a season of eligibility, plus rules and prevention education. For cumulative wagering activities that greatly exceed $800, NCAA reinstatement staff are directed to consider whether additional loss of eligibility, including permanent ineligibility, are appropriate.

The complaint did not have specific dates for the draft kings transactions in question. Whilst some may infer that 10/31 would have been the date of one of the bets, but there is nothing explicit in the complaint to confirm or deny that. Even if there is someway to find the dates of the referenced draft kings transactions it says that is an imcomplete list. On FRL today CP seemed to imply that there may be some question as to whether or not the account was really his. Perhaps there as betting activity on Ms. Freeman's account that pre-dates Johnson's move to Ames. Also it may not completely eliminate the NCAA punishment, but it could mitigate the punishment. If the betting on ISU events all predated the start of classes it could mean that Johnson may change the penalty from potential permanent ban or 1 season+ ban to less than 1 season competition ban. CP said on FRL that he knew some ISU wrestlers had wagered on the ISU-Iowa football game. That would carry a 1 year ban. That game was played on 9-10-2022.

Would 11/5 be the relevant date though? I assume he is on some amount of athletic scholarship. He would have been on campus taking classes courtesy of the athletic department starting 8/22. Certainly some NCAA rules reach back before enrollment. I don't know when gambling becomes prohibited by the NCAA. When the recruit signs their letter of intent? When the recruit enrolls? When they first start classes (~8/2022)? When they start official practices (~10/2022)? When they first compete officially 11/5? My instinct is that it must be before the first competition.

Fall semester started 8/22/2022. So if any of this occured between 8/22/2022 and 10/31/2022, which is possible based on the timeline (8/25/2021-10/31/2022) in the complaint, then that may not been the case. He may have also been enrolled for summer classes or something.

Alirez beat 3x world champion Haji Aliyev 8-0 this week. Aliyev was also a silver medalist in Tokyo. https://uncbears.com/news/2023/7/31/wrestling-alirez-wins-gold-at-poland-open.aspx

Expanding on this the criminal complaint says that the criminal conduct happened "on or between the dates 8/25/2021 and 10/31/2022." https://htv-prod-media.s3.amazonaws.com/files/redacted-johnson-64c995095e416.pdf

One possibility is that he made all these bets last year before he was enrolled as a full time student and an NCAA Student athlete. That wouldn't be exactly zero trouble - he'd still have the criminal charge to contend with, but I don't believe the NCAA could suspend him for that. 1283 would be a lot of bets to place between August/September 2022-May 2023.

Wasn't the team not on the same page with dodging Iowa at the soldier salute this past season? Some wrestlers thought they were dodging others thought they were not. I recall something about that

Whoops. You are correct I thought they were on the schedule. Dodging Iowa and Ohio State next year

The 8 teams on their schedule represent 8 of the top 9 teams at the 2023 Big Ten tournament, and 8 of the 9 highest finishing B1G teams at 2023 NCAAs. The 9th team was Iowa.

This was their first year competing in the postseason at the D1 level. They scored a single team point at the Big 12 championships. They had last competed in the D2 championships back in 2018. I don't know what the timeline usually is for moving up a division, but this seems slower than I'd expect. This was their 5th year in D1 and they participated in the postseason for the first time. Being post season eligible in the third season would be closer to my expectation, but maybe COVID slowed things down, they had trouble finding a conference, or I am just wrong. Mesenbrink transferred from Cal Baptist to PSU. I wouldn't expect a recruit of his stature to commit to a program that wouldn't be eligible for D1 postseason competition by his second year in college, so if they moved up the timeline it was at most 1 year.