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Your timeline is not only in accurate it also misses the most important thing - the money. The NCAA did not allow this to happen they fought it for years spending millions on legal costs. At some point it became inevitable and the biggest thing NCAA and it's member schools did to bring it about was to start selling tickets and broadcast rights for millions/billions of dollars. A year or so ago MLS signed an exclusive broadcast rights deal with AppleTV. That deal pays $2.5 million over 12 years. I am sure MLS owners would love to be able to compensate the players only with room and board, some books, and classes unrelated to the players profession in exchange for them playing said games. That's not how it works though. The SEC recently sold their TV rights to ESPN in a 10 year deal valued at $3 billion. The idea they could do that and not share the money in any meaningful way with the people actually playing the games is absurd.

I reckon if the debate team unionized and threatened to stop debating until they reached a CBA with the school that would result in very little negotiating leverage. Probably less than the Dartmouth BB union. On the other hand if the football team at school in an FBS power 5 conference were to unionize and threaten to not play until a CBA is reached they would have significant leverage. The school would potentially be missing out on tens to hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue if those games are not played. The bargaining power would be directly proportional to the revenue the school derives from the activity. Trying to compare a debate team or whatever to Dartmouth basketball might kind of work, but it completely falls flat against the economics of FBS football and big time college basketball. Where are these other non-athletic college activities that generate tens of millions of dollars in revenue?

This is true in general, but I don't think the gambling punishment qualifies as shenanigans. I also don't think a union changes the punishments of the Iowa/ISU players in any substantive way. All major North American professional sports leagues (MLB, NFL, NBA, NHL, MLS) have unions and prohibitions on gambling. There is often very little room for appeal when it comes to these kinds of violations. For example the NBA’s constitution and bylaws give broad authority to the league commissioner to punish any player who “directly or indirectly, wagers money or anything of value on the outcome of any game played by a team in the league operated by the Association.” After the accused has had a chance to answer the charges, “the decision of the Commissioner shall be final, binding and conclusive and unappealable.”

They are non-profits they're supposed to spend what they take in. It's a feature of the system. There is no incentive to maximize the surplus (what would be profit) since there are no owners to reap the reward. If the top 25 FBS football programs were forced to pay 50% of revenue to the players (like what the NBA does) the only reason it seems like it would cause them to go 50% into the red is because they are currently spending money like they don't have to pay the players anything. This has inflated spending on facilities and the salaries of coaches and administrators. Spending on facilities in many ways was a proxy for paying players. You cannot attract a top recruit by paying them $$ so you spend the money on facilities and use that to attract them. Compare the facilities at the FBS top 25 with AAA baseball, AHL Hockey, NBA G League, or the CFL. Compare the salaries of the coaches at these institutions with minor league sports managers in these leagues... Or compare them with top level pro managers. Nick Saban's annual salary would be top in either MLB or NHL and top 5 in the NBA. I mean this is far afield of the Dartmouth Basketball union which I don't think will be negotiating $$ in their first CBA since there is essentially is no revenue there to split. But supposing the SEC or Big Ten football players unionized collectively bargaining with its member institutions. I imagine an initial CBA with an SEC players union would be far less than a 50/50 split because of contractual obligations for inflated coach/administrator salaries and capital expenditures being on the books. A now realistic threat of the union not playing would probably result in an offer more than $0 with an annual ramp up throughout the term of the CBA. This would allow the institutions to adjust from spending 100% of revenue to something less. If teams in the conference falling into the red and not being able to compete is an issue that is largely a solved problem. The NBA's revenue sharing system not only splits revenue 50/50 between players and owners it also features a revenue sharing component where the top 1/3 or so of teams in revenue share revenue with the others. This ensures the rich big market teams have competitive opponents in smaller markets. In the NBA this might be the Warriors, Lakers, Bulls, Heat, 76ers, Celtics ect paying into a fund that is distributed to the likes of the Bucks, OKC, New Orleans, ect. In the SEC it would be Alabama. Georgia, Florida, Auburn, Texas A&M, paying to teams like Vanderbilt Arkansas, Mississippi State. Professional leagues have been paying their players for decades and decades and figured all of this stuff out.

Top FBS football programs like the University of Alabama have football revenue in excess of $100 million. I am sure they would prefer to not have to share a fair portion of that with the football players and that the ability of the football players to force them to share it would be increased if they were allowed to unionize and bargain as a unit. If a university such as Alabama isn't making money on D1 football it is because they are spending that $100MM on coaches salaries, administration, facilities, and other loss leading sports. They certainly could pay the players some portion of that revenue and be profitable. Coach's salaries would take a hit, facilities might take a backseat to players wages, non-revenue sports might have their budget reduced. This is exactly how it should be. Major professional sports leagues such as the NBA pay players about 50% of revenue. What percent of the football revenue at Michigan, Alabama, Ohio State, Texas, ect is shared with the players?

I don't mind them getting derailed or talking about non wrestling things that actually exist like bad St. Louis pizza, but I cannot deal with the cryptozoology discussion. That is total nonsense. I was glad when Bratke left and that crap came to an end.

I didn't take it that way. I thought it was to focus on AWA coaching. I think Askren has said on FRL that he would kind of be screwing his brother over if he moved to take a college coaching gig and that he values living so close to his parents and his brother's family. I think Wisconsin would be the most attractive college position for him. He said he was offered a job at Missouri and turned it down for those reasons. That said I think he'd like to see if he could knock off Cael and PSU and he's said something to that effect on FRL in the past. Perhaps is a really big job with a bunch of resources (Iowa, OSU, something like that) came along and offered him whatever he needed he would take it.

Chittum hit the Walls of Jericho in a dual against UNI over the weekend. Looked like he was about to put a hurting son Ryder Downey when the ref abruptly put a stop to the action. You'll have to find part 2 to see if it was because Downey tapped out or some other reason.

Yeah UCLA had a program. Didn't Mark Schultz start there before transferring? May have been because they were dropping the program

Tonight's dual is not on BTN+. it's own BTN. As you figured out you cannot watch something on BTN with BTN+.

125: Davis Dec Ayala 3-0 PSU 133: Nagao Dec Schriever 6-0 PSU 141: Bartlett Dec Woods 9-0 PSU 149: Kasak Dec Rathjen 12-0 PSU 157: Haines Dec Franek 15-0 PSU 165: Mesenbrink MD Caliendo 19-0 PSU 174: Starocci MD over Kennedy 23-0 PSU 184: Truax MD over Riggins 27-0 PSU 197: Brooks MD over Glazier 31-0 PSU 285: Kerkvliet MD Hill 35-0 PSU Both teams are penalized -1 team point for control of mat area violations in a wild scene between 165 and 174 during which one unfortunate assistant coach is folded like a certain musical instrument. 34--1. Enough detail?

I thought I made a prediction back on page 4. 34--1 PSU. This one will be on the coaching staff control of mat area violation.

Alternatively if the someone in question was an Iowa wrestling fan he could just give them the tickets. There is a decent chance this will be the heaviest defeat of the Hawkeyes in the past half century.

I assumed he did not give his number, but that of an individual that has wronged him and is need of a comeuppance.

No. Carver-Hawkeye opened in 1983. I think their worst loss there was 30-10 to OSU in 2004.

I thinking it will be worse than that. PSU 34--1.

That OSU match was 1/11/2024 which is more than 20 years ago, but is 20ish years ago. The worst Iowa loss of the past 20 years is that Illinois loss mentioned earlier. The worst defeat of Brands's tenure was 13-29 against Minnesota in Carver Hawkeye on 2/18/2007.

Any chance of Iowa wrestling Arnold or Kueter in this dual? How many matches do they left before they have to pull their shirts? Iowa has a couple big duals after this (PSU, OSU).

The big ten was really weak at 184 that year. Going into the postseason Brooks's best win was Abe Assad. He had also lost a match to Venz. At Big Tens he avenged the loss to Venz and was the 3 seed heading into NCAAs behind Lujan and Bolen. If PSU went to CKLV, Midlands, or Scuffle this likely wouldn't be an issue for Brooks or Messenbrink.

They discussed it, but the match they showed was Simmons vs Moldova from the World Championships. He says something about a scraplife shirt with that spladle on it and giving it to Velikov. Not 100% sure if the shirt had a pic of the spladle of Velikov from Ziolkowski or Chirtoaca from the world championships. I couldn't find a pic of the shirt in question... Probably don't make it any more. This webpage makes mention of the Velikov spladle and video take down. https://prommanow.com/2011/09/20/nick-simmons-lands-another-spladle-at-world-championships/ and here is the playlist of videos from the event on USAW's YouTube (lacking Simmons-Velikov) https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL496A4C75002F58FF If I were Nick Simmons and I could have one just one spladle all over the internet I'd prefer it be the time I spladled for former world champ. I suppose one positive of Flo buying broadcast rights is that they wouldn't entertain a request to take down a match for something like this.

The whole Larry, Lawrence, Zeke thing reminds me of Nate Bargatze's bit where the airline has his name as Nathan, his license says Nathaniel, and people call him Nate.

The match is in the small gym. When Maryland first joined the Big Ten they held the big matches (Iowa, PSU, ect) in the basketball arena, but could never fill it even with all the PSU fans. This is the better option.

Plus it never fit with the original premise. Can't really say Cael recruited over him when he's struggled to recruit a 125 that could even muster a winning record since Suriano left.

I think it's a mistake to look at Taylor vs Bubba's overall career. The conflict only existed for a single season. Bubba only had on year left and Taylor only wrestled one year at 157. The obvious solution would be for Cael to keep Bubba happy at PSU and convince Taylor to move up a year earlier. In a recent interview (post olympics at least) Taylor has said he regretted not moving up in weight sooner. If Cael could have pulled it off it likely would have been a positive for both individuals and the team. In 2011 PSU was not the favorite to win NCAAs. They finished 14 points ahead of Cornell and without the contributions of mid-season Transfer Andrew Long (18.5 points) they probably would not have won. I doubt Pearsall would have been able to contribute the requisite 5 team points to overtake Cornell. Had they kept Bubba he scored 26 points at NCAAs that year (2nd most) and Taylor at 165 would have been an improvement over Vollrath, who did not qualify. If you take away the points scored by Long and Taylor and add Bubba's to PSUs total in 2011 they finish ahead of Cornell. PSUs best team in 2011 would have includes Long, Bubba at 157, and Taylor at 165 and they win NCAAs by 30. Beard is more debatable. I mostly included him because he defeated Dean last season. PSUs post NIL ability to pick up transfer AAs kind of negates the extra years Beard has available, but I suppose we will see. Suriano's name could also be included in this discussion, but Cael didn't really recruit over him and I doubt any program could have gotten 4 years out of him.

That's true, but Iowa was ostensibly still recruiting them. At least after 11 of those 12 things and I wouldn't be shocked if he wrestles for them next season despite the Soldier Salute incident.