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Eh, maybe there's some cabbage fields or something. Who knows. I was taking it as more of a UNC, but if you're just talking in the area, probably a lot of things that can stink up a region pretty good.

Wait...I don't get this. You have to be at 45 degrees to get NF no matter how high off the mat someone is...no? 90 for danger and 45 for NF(again, not always exactly observed...kinda like a pin that's supposed to be 1 second, but is usually closer to a touch fall).

Is that literal? Like you think the area actually smells bad? I was there once and I don't recall that. I do recall it went from pretty flat to Mountains in a very short time, but not an odor.

Yeah, the B1G was pretty weak at HWT...

It showed the score tied because it was a 1 point match!?! It was 3-2. O'Connor had RT. When is RT awarded? AFTER the match. So 3-3 makes kinda proves my point. It did NOT take both points to do that, it took ONE point to "tie" the match up on the board. It would have been 4-3 if they'd have given Humprhreys the RT AFTER the match. It did NOT show the score tied at 4-4. Christ...

Wasn't in a shoulder?

That's not the obvious at all. I don't think both points DID go up on the board and they could still check to see if their call was confirmed...which I'm fairly certain they did. The ref signals 1 green and then 1 red all in short succession. Never did he give 1 green and then another 1 green. Obviously you can review to ensure your call was correct, not just to change your call. Now if you don't have video of it, it's just my memory vs yours and this logic which is faulty....so there is literally zero point in continuing this until they throw the video up.

He was awarded the one for the stalling, not for the escape, that's what Scott was screaming about. I don't think he ever gave a point for the escape...but it's pointless to argue over this until someone posts the video.

He does seem like a nice kid. And Man...you gotta feel for him. I hope he comes back and wins it next year. It's gonna drive me nuts now. You could tell Quint puckered up a bit...and that there was no tape delay.

This kid was...just frickin' awesome! BTW, anyone remember who dropped the F-bomb on TV? I want to say Elam, but I don't think that was it.

Yeah...just a steaming pile of shit... (Too far?)

I missed that conversation. I didn't think he had it...I also don't think the 4 inches is that closely observed. For instance, if Murin could have kept Yianni on his left side(right at the start of the scramble I think...when he rolls through. If he could have held him there, I think they start counting, but he was probably 4" off the mat. Murin could have easily gotten called for the defensive pin there also. Anyway, I guess I should have assumed a match between a 4X(potential 4X Champ at the time) and an Iowa guy would have been discussed.

Well...first of all, no, I did not. But the topic of the thread is Bouzakis and the Ferrari's. You just heard(figuratively speaking) from one of them...they're not leaving Ohio State...kinda cutting the credibility out at the knees. If it's just "making moves," well...yeah, that's vague enough, any team in the Country will be "making moves" and likely have some roster turnover or changes in the next 3 months.

I thought they were two separate issues as well. I didn't think he was charged for the situation with the guns, that it was either not reported or not followed up on(for whatever reason). And maybe not true, just speculation. But definitely under the impression they were two unique events.

The kid just came out and said he's staying at Ohio State. He has an extremely close, emotional bond to Ryan and a full year to develop into a '41, or Mendez into a '41, or Mendez RS's and they figure it out. What's there still to debate?

Scott was screaming about the 2nd stall, not the escape. I'm about 99% certain they never awarded the escape. And if they did, I don't see how they overturn it.

Well...good for him. But I get the confusion with people who are wondering why there hasn't been more coverage on a program that generally...get a ton of coverage. I don't think anyone's suggested he owes anyone anything. Talk about mental toughness though. Hell week...I've talked to Wrestler's who've gone off to boot camp and kinda joked that it was a breeze compared to Wrestling and Seals talk about just how...mentally exhausting the week is.

I don't know, I think you could paint a pretty ugly picture of any sport if you kinda cherry picked things like this. A coach involved in covering up athletes selling or trading drugs, prominent athletes accused of sexual assault, fighting. The B1G programs do have the facilities and they're not in dire straights financially, and Wrestling is part of their DNA. It'd be like if Women were playing Football, you'd think the SEC would be the program to be out in front there. Maybe Baseball is a better example as Football is pretty big everywhere, but, you get the point. Most of the women I've seen Wrestling just look like athletes. A coach with dyed hair or a lot of piercings, meh...is that a big deal.

So....no? I mean...I could stomach that. ONE day a year? Oh...what a delight that'd be!

I'll guess Jesuroga. Keuter could be making millions in 3 years time at a premium position. So I'd guess a lot of it will have to do with how he looks coming off his Freshmen year for the FB team. But a 6'4 225 OLBer with athleticsm...Iowa has a guy who was a backup for them projected to be a mid 1st round pick(Luke Van Ness-as high as #9 in some mocks).

No...I assure you, I AM really surprised there aren't more B1G schools following Iowa's lead. Why do you think it's a "circus" though?

Yianni said he Wrestled looser this tournament due to some family issues(everything was fine though). But it seemed like he wrestled a bit tighter. Van Ness wrestled out of his mind and had a great tourney, but I was surprised to see him on the ropes so many times.

That could be good for the sport. Help it grow. I'm a little surprised there aren't more B1G schools in the process of starting a program. It IS possible to make just one thread not about you...right? Why don't we just let this be that thread.

Messenbrink... They definitely look like they're going to be up there with PSU, Cornell, Iowa and then after those 4, I'd say ASU and ISU(maybe Neb).

Eh...that was a good one. It was a sloppy shot from distance late as well, wasn't it? I think Gomez likely loses to Sasso. What about Murin vs Yianni? Anyone else think Murin maybe should have gotten NF there...outside of Iowa fans(I'm pretty sure I know your position).