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Why what?

Joseph, Hall...potential 1/1/2/1 and a 1/2/2/1. Both had the chance to jump tiers if not for the cancellation. As for the argument that Lee would have won if 2020 was wrestled...everyone thought he'd win THIS year, he didn't. Sucks for him.

I strongly agree with the bold. You can just use a formula to come up with the best Wrestlers ever. It doesn't take into account that David Taylor was undefeated as a Freshmen and got caught in a bit of a fluke pin vs a former runner-up or that his OTHER losses were to a 4X Champ and one of the Greatest ever. In all of these I will argue it's silly to just rank them as though there is no context. I'll put Lee over Stieber...IMO. I'm just taking College dominance. I'll also put Mcllravy over Lee. It's hard to come up with a top 20-25 ranking. Ben Askren couldn't beat ONE Wrestler. Is he really behind ALL 3X National Champs? Now, I don't agree with the last part, the best to ever do it, but I get why you're saying that. He was uniquely dominant for a 125. I think it's easier/smarter to rank or compare the best at weights. So 118/125 it's Abas(4/1/1/1 144-4 career record) and Lee(1/1/1/6) 98-6 career record) as the two best IMO. Abas had two losses to Jurgens from Iowa and then one when he bumped up to Wrestle Guerrero in a great match(4-3 I believe). Lee's were a little more spread out, but he was more dominant in his wins. Produced more team points.

Once in a lifetime talent was REALLY pushing it. He's great. But the Arujau I just watched work over Fix and RBY looked as slick and as dominant on his feet as anyone. Gilman didn't exactly blow Vito off the mat the last time they Wrestled. IIRC, it was 2-1 Gilman with him winning the 3rd on Criteria and Vito doing most of the attacking that match. Spencer Lee's a stud. If we're talking about his Olympic Gold in...~16 months, I don't think people will be shocked. Will people really be shocked if he DOESN'T win Gold in London? Kinda wild how being SKEPTICAL that he's going to win the Olympics is like spitting on Mother Teresas' grave or something...sacrilege!

Can't make this crap up. The hell you can't! You just did Lets break this down; Hmm...never actually said I don't think he'll perform. I said I'm skeptical given how he was taken down fairly often on his feet. Did someone say it was ridiculous for someone else to believe he WOULD have success in Freestyle? Or was it more the Twitter-ish response? YUP! People DEFINITELY saying they "don't think he CAN perform," and that it's "ridiculous" if someone else does! The reasoning...or reading can be very selective on here at times.

I'd bet money that IF someone affiliated with the program contacted him, it was a Wrestler who knows him. I'm not saying the Sanderson's or Cunningham are morally beyond openly recruiting a guy(though...I find it hard to believe they'd risk the potential sanctions or any trouble). I know of Two AAs that had people tied to multiple teams say, "you should come to...." It's generally just in passing...as I understand it.

Hildebrandt was in his 7th year, came in at the semester and...IDK, feels different than a kid coming in with 3 years left in his career. That's just on the Mat. I don't know anything about either off the mat beyond there is an ugly accusation(that seems pretty credible) about Noto off the mat. I'm also of the mind that he's a kid and should be able to redeem himself from something like that...and it'd be up to PSU or anyone else to determine if he has. Finally, I do agree with whoever said they'd prefer he stay at a Mid Major. I like seeing kids from Lock Haven and Lehigh and Cal Poly, Northern Col, etc...wrestling in big matches. So I don't really care if I'm being honest...beyond something I stated in a previous post that I don't necessarily think it's great for the sport to have one program that's SO completely dominant and you could be bringing in a possible title contender here. And even if he is "just" another Hildebrandt, I think he gets a looked over a bit. IRC, all of his losses were to pretty damn good Wrestlers as he went through the heart of PSU's schedule coming in Jan. Anyway, this all seems like a Keyser Soze...just made up out of thin air. Until I actually see that he's in the TP or whatever, it's just a hypothetical.

As in personally. I don't know anything about him personally, I don't know exactly how or when he injured his shoulders. I don't know anything about a lot of Wrestlers and I can tell their studs from who they've Wrestled, beaten, how closely they've lost tight matches, how they do at the NCAAs as a True Freshmen. And he should have 4 years left. I don't really care about Noto...and I really don't see any correlation between he and Hildebrandt.

Well...as one PSU fan would have you believe, they NEED David Carr if they hope to win another Title next year! "Need" being the key word! Seriously though, I'm rooting for Robbie Howard. I don't know anything about him, OTHER than his rough start trying to rehab that shoulder without surgery...which is real hit or miss. As someone who had that issue, I rehabbed mine, spend 4-5 hours a day for about 4 months trying to strengthen my shoulder with the trainer and got it back to where I thought it was stronger than ever....and then on a simple shot, got extended and it came out and had the surgery....which was an absolute nightmare. Shoulder surgery is a HELLUVA lot more painful than an knee, hip, pretty much anything other than a back or a neck and I'm just guessing on the last two as I was lucky enough to never have to deal with either. Anyway, the kid is a stud and I hope he can have a Beau Bartlett type coming out party this year. He was Rd of 12/16. Whatever it was, he came back and Wrestled one AA caliber Wrestler after another...

It's an inexcusable thing to say, but lets keep in mind not only do we not know if this is true, what context it was used in, he would have been 18-19 years old. People grow. Andrew Long was an egregious mistake, but I still think Cael and company WOULD be very...careful about this type of situation and would speak to the black athletes, get a feel for what their thoughts are(really the whole team, but specifically their 4 starters who are black) and IF he chose to give Noto a chance, it'd likely be because they believe he's learned and...just gotten better.

It's not that interesting; https://guides.loc.gov/latinx-civil-rights/cuban-adjustment-act

I'm pretty sure it's different with Cubans. Johnson signed a bill in the 60's that allows Cubans who make it to the US to become citizens after a year in the Country...I believe. It's not the same as a refugee or immigrant coming up from a Latin American Country claiming asylum. It's much easier for Cubans. That's why the Cuban Gov't sent something like ~100,000 prisoners and people housed in mental health facilities to the US. Because they knew they wouldn't be sent back.

No...I'm saying that was the joke. The insults were the underlying tension between the two. He also calls her an "ignorant slut." I don't think that's how men think...so that's kinda a reach.

I mean...not that much, I just kinda took the interaction as how a Male and a Female anchor may feel about each other in the...what was that, late 70s, early 80s? Basically saying the stuff in their head instead. No? You think I'm reaching there? Maybe Anchorman and a Documentary I saw on Tucker Carlson's Dad is skewing my POV.

May we all "fail" to meet out expectations such as Max Dean and have a career in which we got 125-18 and 8,2,1,7 in 4 contested tournaments! I suspect he's talking about the Ivies not wrestling in 2021. He lost the year in 2021 and that's probably a point of contention for him. He lost out on another year of Wrestling. Not sure that he wins it in '21 with Brooks at '84 or Ferrari, but I'm sure HE believe he'd have won it. Though...Brooks Freshmen year(RS). Dean would have been a tough match. I also think Dean should have been an '84 the last two years, but...when the best Wrestler in the Country over that period(arguably) is at your weight...

I mean...it's not exactly San Diego to Siberia, but...alright.

LOL...wow...the most creative online retort in the WORLD! Tell me exactly what you took issue with without going back to 2015? Unless this is Chael who thinks Spencer was "#1 in the Olympic rankings, he was favored to win Olympic Gold." It always seems like people who do the "tell me you haven't without telling me you haven't," struggle to formulate a coherent response beyond the same thing 5.8 million others have said each day.

I've heard her say she did NOT enjoy her time at SNL because it was very sexist. The reason that's so funny is because it's so shocking. I remember asking my Dad who...I don't think cares about SNL much, but I asked if he watched that one in particular and thought it was funny for that very reason. Even back then...that's pretty aggressive. Just kinda out of nowhere. I think the insults were supposed to represent the tone that a lot of co-hosts felt, but didn't say...either way, it's hilarious.

I'm a bit skeptical of Lee's Olympic aspirations. He was taken down quite a bit early in matches for a Wrestler of his caliber. The way he dominated in College was with that tilt, but with world Class Wrestlers being able to just lay there and not have to bring their arms in...so he can work the tilt, he's gonna have a lot more trouble turning people. I'm absolutely NOT saying I don't think he can adjust. I think just getting healthier and in better shape will do wonders for him...but I see problems that will make a transition from Folkstyle to Freestyle...despite his very impressive credentials already.

Definitely the first one who came to mind. Especially this year as he started the season 2nd semester(presumably due to injury, but I never actually heard).

I'm just asking why it was particularly beneficial for Yianni moreso than Cornell for him to stay there. I said I'm glad and I'd like to see another team actually push PSU and that it was a good thing in general.

It is...and then you brought up Dake; So if you want to keep it to Yianni...don't bring Dake up. The argument was made that staying at Cornell when the Ivies shut down was particularly helpful to Yianni. I just asked why it was particularly beneficial to a 2X Champ rather than to Cornell?

Who cares what it's based on? It works. Snyder, Dake, Gilman, Taylor, Abdurakhmonv, Varner, Nolf, Zain... I also don't know what pseudoscience you're talking about. They seem to be pretty healthy and they don't gas. The religious aspect of it...who cares? Every Wrestler seems to be religious from every club. I don't even know how this can be in dispute at this point. The NLWC is by FAR the premiere ROT in the Country.

I know he trained a lot with DT for a long time. There has to be some reason he made the move to the NLWC.

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