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30 bucks a month to watch commercials. This is why I cancelled Flo.

Not disagreeing, just saying I think it was tougher for Max as he was likely wrestling up a weight class. 184 for his frame is a big difference from 197. But Gabe was a 3X Finalist and took a 3rd and lost to Nickal and Ruth in two of the seasons. By the way, Austin O'Connor wrestled Jason Tsirstis... Edit-My mistake...I thought you were talking about Gabe, not Max. But I wonder if that's the biggest spread. A Wrestler from this past year wrestling a 2013 HS graduate? Can anyone find a better one? Any 7 year Wrestlers-Wrestle a guy, as a Fresh, who took an ORS or got a 6th year due to a Medical? Feels like we have to have at least one guy who Wrestled Cael with how long these College careers are getting.

Ok, then YOU put a word to it? Two matches on the Championship side in which he SHOULD have lost but was given a TD on review that shouldn't have been called a TD and then not having NF called against you when you very clearly gave up 2 NF? Pick your non-clownish word...

He was certainly more successful. I think Max just had to Wrestle up a weight class and had he stayed at 184, he'd have been in the same weight as one of the best Wrestlers of this generation in Brooks. They do have 8 AAs between them...and Max was a 2X Finalist. So while I DO think he...lets say benefitted by two particularly bad calls at the NCAAs, both came earlier enough that he may have still won. He still had over a minute vs Truax to get a TD. Little tougher is Aiello gets those NF, but it was the end of the 2nd. Though calling someone a clown because they point it out is also kinda...silly.

Now...on another note. I was under the impression that with tensions seemingly easing between the two Countries, people were now allowed to leave Cuba and come to the United States. I didn't think they still HAD to defect?

Ok...I do vaguely remember seeing something about that. A few thousand prisoners were being sent back and they rioted to try and negotiate life in an American prison instead? I was(am) pretty ignorant about the entire subject other than knowing it happened and some anecdotes. https://apnews.com/article/9d151e5171e19990b9f251efb57275bf Can't say I blame Castro. After the 40th or 50th assassination attempt, he probably thought, "hey...I'm starting to think those American's don't like me." And then everyone with a useable skill kept fleeing Cuba and we just took them all in. So why not throw all the crazies and murders onto one boat and ship 'em over!

Cael Sanderson is definitely slipping as a HC. Future Thread that I'm about 99% Sure Jimmy will start before next years NCAAs. "Is Penn State's run over?" "Will Cael ever win another team title?"

Did you NOT see the matches being referenced? Aiello clearly had NF and they gave him a TD vs Deprez that was...not a great call. It's that much worse that it was reviewed and THEN overturned.

Did it? I never really heard much about what impact it had(other than the move Scarface). Just that there were a LOT of political prisoners and in reading a little more, ~15-20K of the 125K who came over or were "allowed" to leave were prisoners, but even then, there were some artists, and writers who were more political prisoners... Is THIS what created "Florida Man?"

Yeah, I caught the start of the match, saw him get in on a few shots, then finish the shot. Then was watching Lewnes and came back, 9-2. He did mature physically of course, but he NEVER looked like he was trying. I don't remember anyone making it look easier. He was stronger than he looked, quicker and that grip HAD to have been insane. You ALWAYS felt like he had another TD in him if he needed it. Just incredibly fun to watch...and I also kinda hated him. Nobody should make College Wrestling look that easy!

Does this account for the differences in scoring? Placement, advancement, bonus points, etc... Seems like a pain in the ass.

First thing...that Cael kid looks like he was pretty good. Second, Mark Churella wrestled 18 matches on the frontside of the bracket on his way to a 3/1/1/1(without a RS season). 18 matches on the front-side, 8 pins and 140 points scored in the 10 matches that he didn't pin his guy for an average of 14 points per match. One son that pinned Johnny Hendricks in the finals despite losing in what is not at all a controversial match and was a 3X AA and another son who was a 3X AA...both wrestled in the finals. Not sure what his eldest son did.

Eh, I feel like John Smith was overrated. (I mean, if we're gonna make a threat in honor of our favorite Cinnamon themed pasty, we have to keep some of the same nonsense, no?)

I mean...yeah, definitely Smith. But as he's already got the low single, how about Dustin Schlatter's. He won an NCAA Title on pretty much nothing but a Duck. Also, Mark Hall had a pretty nasty one.

Nope! Side note, these debates get me going back and watching older Wrestlers...like Mocco vs Rowlands, and honestly, the "best Wrestler ever" debate just gets sillier. These guys are ALL sooooo close. Again, Rowlands, a serious injured very possibly stopped him from winning his 3rd and he lost a TBer in the Finals as a Freshmen at HWT...a Freshmen who'd been a 103 in HS. He was a HWT with over 700 career TDs and 164 career wins. If HE'D just gotten done Wrestling, we'd likely be debating about where he comes in all time.

This is not only perfectly reasonable, but it's the consensus among Wrestling fans, aficionado's, experts...and even those like LBJ!!! In other words, everyone knew how it'd likely play out in 2020! (I kid, I kid...I don't want another round).

My mistake, I thought he ended up getting pinned. I knew he wrestled back for 3(which I did NOT see happening at the time) and that he worked Amuchastegui over pretty good the next year. That tournament my view on Ruth did a complete 180 and his toughness. I thought he'd MFF out, watching it live, I thought he kinda quit(I was very wrong, you can tell he tweaked something early in that match with a 2-1 lead). And you watch him getting turned and the Stanford kid is really working on that right leg. So for Ruth to come back as a Freshmen and get 3rd...that impressed the hell out of me.

WHAAAAT! The hell are you saying? That Jimmy McGill-Cinnabon isn't the most legitimate source? I don't know. He's never led me astray...if you ignore the overwhelming majority of his posts!

Because it's usually not one Wrestler and it slows down scoring and can cause match stoppages with Mekhi Lewis type fingers. It's not Wrestling... The Bavarians have something like this. They can do that. It doesn't accomplish anything and is generally a way to slow the match down.

I mean, he may lose in a H2H with Spencer Lee per Wrestlestat, but he was/is arguably the greatest HWT ever...with respect to Tommy Rowlands who went 2,1,6,1 Actually got injured in the Semi's in a match he was likely to win and then a TB loss as a Freshmen, the only thing stopping him from being the only D1 Wrestler to win 3 Titles at HWT, but still...2,1,6,1 with a legit injury...for a guy who started at 103 in HS, THAT'S impressive. So GOAT Wrestler to start at 103 and finish as a 4X AA, 3X Finalist, 2X Champ at HWT-Tommy Rowlands! Boom...another one Better Call Saul's Character can't start a topic over!

If Askren were to win any, it'd be grip and shoulder flexibility. I don't think he ever gave up a TD on a go-behind if he could lock his hands around the leg above the knee. I remember Herbert...when it looked like Ivan Drago vs "a bag of Milk," ...as Jake Paul put it, and Herbert had both hands and all his hip pressure trying to break Askren's lock and could-not-do it. Neutral Goat-Stephan Abas Single Leg Goat-Lincoln Mcllravy(I'm counting the boot scoot as a single since...well, he drags and then goes into a single and there's not arm drag) Low Single Goat-...c'mon...too easy Blast Double-Gable Stevenson Running Double Goat-Stephen Neal Best Foot Sweep-Steve Mocco(Steve/Stephens are REALLY born to be great Wrestlers). Sprawl Goat-Andrew Howe Hi-C- Kolat Firemans- Dan Gable Escape Goat-I don't know...all the best. You can't be a stud if you're ridden. Though...I'd say Zain was the quickest to get out. Reversals Goat-Bo Nickal-- Bryce Andronian would be up there, but...ya know, gotta win an NC to be on the list. Best Wrestling Announcer-SANDY STEPHENS and ED ALIVERTI! Now-The REAL GOATS Best spinning submission moves in an unwinnable match- Austin DeSanto Best pre-match Warm-up- Iowa State Old School Robes Weirdest philosophy not supported by Science to maximize testosterone -Ryan Deakin Best Celebratory Backflip interrupted by angry Iowian=Darian Caldwell Most blank expression regardless of match scenario-Mark Hall Best sideways coach clap by a non-coach- Moriah Marinelli Wrestler God loves the most-Every Wrestler who's won Wrestler who's urine analysis would break USADA's drug testing...Goat- Brock Lessner And MOST importantly...most HUMBLE Wrestler/Inmate-AJ Ferrari(Man I wish I knew what this guy could deadlift...but he's so shy about sharing his physical accomplishments).

I mean, it happens in Wrestling. I wrestled at different kids clubs and they tried to get me to Wrestle at X High School, we were always getting this State Champ who was friends of a guy on our team JUUST at that weight we needed most. And...we DID get transfers and so did other schools. So to think it wouldn't happen in College with programs like PSU, Iowa, or some of the programs...it's kinda silly.

I know Ruth was pinned vs...the Stanford kid(he was just abused on top and down ~11-2 and I don't wanna say he gave up...but he kinda gave up). And Jones after winning it I THINK he got pinned on the backside vs an MSU kid.

SMH...how did I miss that! It was right there! My bad

Why what?