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Undersized due to his frame. It's not like he has to cut like Nash did. The plan WAS for him to Wrestle. I don't know the update. That was a big part of his decision. NU was allowing him to do both...and then when he flipped, Wisconsin said he could do both. It seems next to impossible to me, but if anyone can do it, it's a DL who is only a meal or two away from making 285, if that at this point. Keeping weight on at the end of the FB season isn't easy. Wisconsin's 23-year bowl streak...which is somehow the longest in the Nation(or was) coming to a close should certainly helped his case. He's only a few weeks behind everyone else. Not sure what his ceiling is though. Rd12? He's a helluva HWT, but...there are a lot of them in the B1G, Nation. Maybe he's 4-8?

How is Cochran leaving? At Semester? I was half hoping for one more year of PSU just DOMINATING a recruiting class just so we could see a B-team that could contend for a NC(though that's just objectively bad for the sport). I've actually watched videos(or at least one) arguing why Facundo wouldn't be highly sought after. "He wrestled at just one NCAA and didn't place." Good metric for the PSU expectations. Kid doesn't place at the toughest weight and he's...the "disappointment,' in the PSU room! I'm certainly confused as to why Kasak would transfer. Took a 3rd, he seems to be in line for the starting spot this year and is arguably the favorite to win a Title at the moment. He was a '41 heading into last season...but then SVN got hurt, he went up and took a 3rd. Nagao, Conchran if he could, Sealey, they'd make sense. Erik Gibson is another guy. I thought he was a pretty big get for them(maybe that was just the Gibson-Bartlett group). I also wonder if this isn't also good for PSU in the long run. With roster limits shrinking...it doesn't seem like it makes much sense to have Kasak, Facundo, Mesenbrink, Duke, Sealey, Cunningham, Henkel among others...just at '57-'65. I'd think a guy like Sealey would be getting a healthy chunk of cash. He was the big recruit they had coming in this time last year. I'm not sure if he's really done anything to take the shine off so much as...you have guys with 3 years of eligibilty at '49(3rd), '57(3rd), '65(2nd), 2 years at '74(2/1), he's not a '84 or '97 but if he was...while it's not as deep there, it's still not exactly lacking for talent. Also...that '26 class has 3 guys who I think are RARE talents. Guys who all have 4X potential. But No. 1 Bo Bassett and No. 2 Jax Forrest and No. 3 Deshaun Ross, the HWT out of Iowa. I think I'm a little higher on him as a Wrestler at the same age over Keuter just based on his length(though...not a big edge) but how explosive he is. You put those 3 in State College, I think PSU is running away with titles for the next 5-6 years easily. IF you put them in...say Okie St, that's the type of group Brands came from Va Tech to Iowa with. I would think Iowa and Okie State would be less likely for Ross(who I actually think should be the primary goal of PSU for that class). I watched that kid and he's Wrestling studs and he almost looks like he's got this big hunch back when he's in a stance. Then you realize...that kid just doesn't skip back day and when he drops and shoots and uncoils, he's already deep before taking the damn shot he's so long. And he's got a back to pull in that single, the speed to hit whatever shot he needs.

I'm not actually a hunter...which is weird as my entire family are. I have some family that moved up to Northern Wisconsin, Grandparents retired there...not sure why. They'd be snowed in for 4-5 days at a time in the winters, but I loved it. We bought some land up there a couple times, but now, I just bring friends up to the Cabin and they go hunt. So the Buffalo County is just something I've heard about and just saw on a Google search it was ranked #1 and Wisconsin was #1 for White Tail(though I'm skeptical given the Wolves...and apparently the Bears are particularly bad for the Dear). In fact, this wild story was a Cousin(by Marriage). Got to see the Mount before the Bar "accidentally" burned down and...it was impressive. The picture doesn't do it justice. Not sure either are the size of that beast in your picture, but the story is pretty wild. Horns get locked, one paws off the other head. I think it was pretty skinny by the time it was shot from carrying the head around, but...still, pretty impressive. https://www.grandforksherald.com/sports/northland-outdoors/dokken-story-of-two-headed-wisconsin-buck-resurfaces-for-another-telling Personally...I don't like killing Bambi or her Daddy! LOL...I just sleep in, provide the hunting land and then the ATV or SXS to bring her out!

Yes...and he was a stud. He was overshadowed by the Sinclair, Hopke, Mirasola kids, but...he was right there with them.

The best County for Deer Hunting is in Wisconsin(the #1 Deer Hunting State in the Country) and Buffalo County is...maybe an hour outside of Madison? Just saying...if you really want them big bucks...stay at PSU, but if you want to hunt large dear, Madison is a pretty good place!

The keyword seems to be pedantic. Not Wrestling someone because they're too big, strong, and athletic to the point you're worried about injury...that'd seem to qualify, but...we can call it "smart," if you really need to make such a distinction.

If I gotta take a guy to War with me, it's probably going to be Wyatt Hendrickson...but, to win a team title, Gable's probably the guy!

This really isn't that deep. You asked, Can you tell us which guys are afraid and won't wrestle everyone in the room, and I relayed what Taylor had said about Kerk in the past. And I never said they needed each other as a workout partner, but it's really not that rare for a guy who's in the 200-210 range to workout with a HWT, especially a lighter one. And I'm not "taking" either one. I'm just...passing along what Taylor said.

Good point. I wonder if Cael wins it at a True Freshmen? I'd guess he'd have been at 177. Does he beat Mitch Clark? Does he get to him? He's not an undefeated 4X Champ. He's "just another 4X Champ!" I'm kidding obviously, 4 is 4, but...that really would take away from Cael's legacy. It's the 159-0 that's elevates what he did. If he's 158-1... It's all just shades of greatness at that point.

Well...I think he was more praising Kerk, but because he was scared of injury(so I guess that'd be both). He said it was like wrestling a refrigerator and he was so athletic for a man his size and didn't know his own strength. I also don't think Kerk is or has been 50 pounds heavier the last few years. You're taking what DT weighs in at...most recently, that was 202 vs what Kerk walks around at...which is ~245 last I heard. It's really not that crazy to have guys at that size roll around a bit. You assume DT was walking around at ~210, that's basically like a '97, they often Wrestle with the HWT.

Internationally...I guess I'd say '84 is probably the best weight for him. 86KG is ~189...so 197 is between 86 and 97. 92KG is closest to 197, but I am guessing that Sinclair is looking at the Olympic weights(I'd guess the same of Barr, Ryder, Arnold, Ferrari...anyone on that level). Just given his size as it stands today, him cutting to 74KG or ~163 is probably what a lot of guys with Olympic aspirations would do, but he's shown repeatedly, he's not going to make the sport miserable and cut a lot of weight(it's actually a great trend in the sport and I think makes for a better product and better Wrestlers in the long run). That may change as he climbs levels and it's not so easy for him, but I would guess 184, and he wrestles 86KG down the road.

Eh, it's a prediction. I may be wrong. I have been before, I'll be wrong again. I did the same with Haines and Mesenbrink a year out(so I guess...chances are Sinclair will be runner-up next year).

It certainly seems to be the case. I'm pretty sure he had to TRY to make an effort to get up over 195 last year in HS so he could wrestle 220 and just so he didn't have to Wrestle Mirasola in the Finals(we all know they wrestled on other occasions). I'd guess 174 is not part of his future, but he's like...5'8? I think most guys with his build would be '74 pounders. Has to make the spot a lot more fun when you don't have to cut much and you can go out there and lift and feel good all season long.

He's got a legit shot at winning 4 Titles IMO. In fact, if he's at '74/'84, I'm already calling him at the '25-'26 winner. He's so good...but he's also never really cut and while I love the philosophy in general...'97 pounders are just a bit too long for him. If he went to most schools, without knowing exactly, but I'd guess he'd be a potential '74.

Imagine how hard that'd be though? Nelson Brands has taken a 5th...so it's not like there are many guys who are just so clearly better than him. Then it seems like just about every Father thinks their son is juust a bit better than he really is and it's pretty easy to justify.

That's fine. Didn't Mirasola have a win over Dean, a National Champ? And he was referred to as "a kid fresh out of HS." Lilledahl I believe has beaten Blaze multiple times. I don't particularly care where they're ranked coming in, they'll earn those rankings, I'm saying we know they're just not like normal Freshmen. Barr, Sinclair would fit the definition for me(if he wasn't going to RS and was going to go '84)...Lillendahl, Blaze, Jax, Basset...Duke. It's becoming common place for these Freshmen to be ready straight out of HS...which is still wild to me.

LOL...eh, I think that's probably mostly a coincidence. Cam Newton went from Super Bowl to out of the league like every player does. After he got the ever-loving crap beat out of him and several years later. He had that car accident and he also took more of a beating than any QB in the modern game(and then struggled to pick up other offenses). And he was still in the league 7 more years after the SB season. Even had another really good season a couple years later. I don't have any idea about Ryder Downey however. I still have to believe if you have a chef or someone preparing your meals, you've GOT to be able to get enough protein without meat...right?

Some people are opposed to it for moral reasons. Not me...something needs to die every day for me to live, but...I get it. Plus, it's so much easier if you have someone helping you or making these shakes. I'd also venture a guess that he's getting plenty of protein in his vegan diet. Namely, as long as I don't have to hear CONSTANTLY about how you're Vegan...who cares. Didn't Tom Brady live off a vegan diet? Not that he was ever renowned for his athleticism, but he was still a great QB until age 46....

That's fair. You're not sure he could beat both and...of course, he could lose to any of them. At that level, it's common(ish) for the #13 seed to beat the #4 seed on the backside...or the frontside for that matter. I guess I'd say either way, Cochran has sat behind NCs during his career. Brooks, Dean...that's his last 3 years. He's not just some guy. Mirasola. I'm not quite as sure he's on that level of being an AA as a True Freshmen(I do think he'll take a BIG jump this year in that room) but the original point, those two wins are telling to me. I may also hold guys like...Barraclough or Cochran in higher regard. I think if they go to another school and get a chance to start, they could have both been AA contenders or at least NQ and maybe Barraclough will be this year, but guys like Haines, Mesenbrink, Starr, Brooks, they win team titles, but those guys who stick it out and go up to 174 to wrestle Shane Griffith and they lose a 2-1 match at 174 or they go up from 197 and beat an AA at HWT, they're not just normal depth guys. They're important to your program. So we'll find out where Barr ranks in March in Philly, but I just don't like taking away from those guys like they're some 3-10 type backups.

Wasn't it like ~30 seconds into the match? How badly could he have been kicking his a$$ by at that point?

Well...David Taylor wouldn't Wrestle with Kerk in the NLWC!

Nope, he's still there. That's my bad. I have no idea why I said that. Maybe it's from rumors he may be leaving last summer, but he's still there.

Not at all... But when Marcus Blaze, Forrest or these types of kids walk onto a College Campus, we also won't pretend they're...just a couple kids fresh out of HS and no different than all the rest. It doesn't really matter ultimately, it won't until seeding time, but we now Barr pretty clearly appears to be a top 5-8 Wrestler at this point.

No, I don't think "everyone" cares enough about your opinion enough to get mad...I think the see you being willfully obtuse and describing Cochran and Mirasola merely as "career backups and a kid fresh out of HS." As though they're not just a TOUCH more than that. And then you go on to say ignorant *I poop my pants, don't laugh at me* like- So Mirasola's biggest accomplishment to you is a match he ALMOST won and got a single takedown in? -When talking about AARON BROOKS. Yes, the fact that he could stand in there and at least compete with the guy who just walked through 197 on his way to his 4th title would suggest he's more than just "some kid fresh out of HS. It's absolutely NOT about the bottom line ranking early in the season, it's about how you dismiss how he's Wrestled...but to disagree with you apparently makes one a scrub. I'm alright with that...

I think that's why you look at HOW the matches played out. Namely...were they competitive on their feet or did a seasoned MFS Wrestler get a lace and tech a guy.