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Right, that makes sense. But in state or out of state, it doesn't impact the 9.9. For instance, if PSU has 20 guys from Penn on Scholarship from in State, it's not like they could only have 10 if they were out of state(for the sake of argument, it's exactly twice as much to go to PSU for an out of state athlete). The 9.9 is just an NCAA rule. How the school comes up with it or how they navigate it is entirely up to them...I believe. MAYBE the conference in the case of the B1G.

LOL...I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or serious? Is this a joke about the people who think they wrestle better stoned or did someone seriously say this!

That's not a joke. I had teammates who used to come into the practice room SOOO paranoid and absolutely WREEKING of weed. I...would have, but I didn't like it. But the funniest part(other than them thinking they were fooling anyone) was...they wrestled their asses off. They were like cats in a burlap sack...just all practice. One of them was one of those dumb-smart guys. A math major who'd wonder aloud "how do fans work." Anyway, his explanation was "it turned his brain off when he wrestled." And that actually made some sense to me. One of the biggest problems you have is getting guys to shoot and commit to shots. Well...he shot like a M1 Thompson when he was high. Now...we can go back to shitting on Illinois!

That's what I always believed...but I suppose it's possible individual schools handle it differently. Particularly when Wrestling was the redheaded step child and it was dying a slow, painful death. Seems to have regained a little steam with the MMA tie in and the sport growing in popularity.

That was my understanding. A scholarship was a scholarship. It didn't cost the Wrestling program more to take a kid from out of state than it did in-state. There were guys we lost because we didn't have reciprocity and we only offered partials, but it didn't cost US more to give them scholarships. But I was a student...so I don't know if that's the norm or if it's different from program to program perhaps, conference to conference.

Can someone explain this to me though? How is the school saving money? I can see how the student would be. Say you get 50%...does it really matter to the program or the school from their end? Wouldn't it matter more for the athlete who's still got to pay that 50%? Obviously most Wrestlers aren't getting 100% full rides. Those are...very rare. I remember a couple of kids on my team being pretty excited when they qualified for in-state(IIRC, it was 2 years after establishing residency). The Athletic Dept was pretty good at working with them and helping in that regard from what I understand...but I don't quite get how it helps the program? It's not like they pay for the scholarship, right? They're not paying 40,000$ to the school if a kid is on full scholarship...? Looks like everyone is pretty much in agreement on this thread, so tell me what I'm getting wrong here? Obviously it's something.

Yeah...of course he's still Wrestling Folkstyle during practice. I'm talking about on the Sr circuit. I'm talking about outside of the College Season. On the Sr level...when most College Wrestlers are improving, taking the next step...he hasn't.

LOL...I've never seen someone this personally offended at the idea that you slightly change the rules in Wrestling. Do you lose a little power if that happens bud? Do you no longer get to pick which kid is too "ignorant" about Wrestling to stop it? What exactly personally offended YOU in the mere suggestion that the Bow and Arrow should MAY be banned as it's effectively a submission move? And I wasn't bragging about being in my 30s. Just replying to the inference that this was somehow self serving because...well, I just wasn't tough enough to deal with it!

Yeah, that's fair. But you're always going to have bad refs. If we start using that as a rationale to not change a rule... Plus, this is already the rule at the HS level. So if they can figure it out, I'm sure the College Refs can.

Jesus...this was NOT easy to get through. Yeah, I'm done pal. I'm in my 30s, I wrestled for 20 years. I don't need to pick another sport. I think I can still have an opinion on a move. What I can't do it decipher some of this nonsense and respond to it. No scenario was made up. You inferred it was SO outrageous that a kid could get hurt that in your wealth of experience..."I gave reffed for about 5 years…" you've NEVER seen anyone hurt from it. You still had to stop it. Oh and then apparently there were those other times; Huh...so all these times you've had to stop the bow and arrow, but it's NO different than any other move and there's no danger. And if a kid looks hurt...well, then he MUST be faking it! I made up a scenario? Huh...and what scenario did I "make up?" What did I post that didn't come DIRECTLY from you? Please by all means, post where I lied?

Seems like he's focusing on Greco now. How many guys that focus on Greco have regressed or failed to live up to the hype in College? It's a LONG list. Who's the last Greco guy to win a NC? Schultz could do it at HWT I guess. I don't think he will, but he's been in the finals. But who's the last guy who focused on Greco to win it in March?

LOL...ok. You've NEVER seen anyone hurt from this move(other than faking it I guess). But you STILL felt the need to stop it at the cadet level because you decided a kid was too ignorant and had no idea how to react...to the totally legal move? So what? Why is that a problem if injury is SUUUCH a far fetched idea? Do you also stop kids who don't know how to defend double legs? But sure, everyone who doesn't agree with you is ignorant.

No....that was an absolute ass whooping. You're right about that. Prescott looked TINY compared to Brands. Brands looked like a 49 pounder in modern Wrestling. MAYBE a big '41 and Prescott looked like a regular '25. If you're going best matches...that wasn't even competitive. Brands pushed him all over the mat and just dominated him. Prescott did have a couple of times where he could have gotten a tilt if Brands wasn't so much stronger. Brands did that with a few other guys who were on that level. Went down a rabbit hole and ended up watching about a dozen of his matches. Man, I do not like that guy, but he was a stud and he was intense. I'd kinda forgotten about that match, but I went back and watched it. Watching guys from that era, it feels like you can see how much more weight they were sucking also. The whole day to recover. Joe Williams for instance, he looked like a '74 pounder than a '58. New rules definitely a good thing there.

Yeah, I'm sure beating the two time reigning Hodge Trophy winner was a big incentive. AS was winning a Title at 4 different weights... I guess I'm being picky here. I'm talking about one match, bumping up, wrestling at a disadvantage to try and get the best matchup. Dake and Taylor was one of the best storylines in recent College Wrestling, so it certainly had the intrigue. Two of the best Wrestlers EVER...a 6 Finals between them, 5 Titles, one fluke-ish pin heading into their Sr years... But again, Dake was up all year and he was certainly at no disadvantage physically. Hell, I'm also not the gatekeeper of what "going up," means, so sure. I think Jordan and Dresser is my favorite though...Gable and Gant is pretty cool as well.

Really? You think Dean was dirty in that match? I just thought it was punishing...and looked bad. But dirty infers there was some ill will on his behalf. I will say that Amos is SO frustrating to watch. Like a LOT of Wrestlers in that 8-16 range, he could easily be in the top 4 and challenge the top guys, but it feels like it's mental. He started off with a headlock that...wouldn't work against a good varsity Wrestler and...probably wouldn't have been a slip it was so slow and Dean caught him. Seems like it's been a LOONG time since people were talking about him beating Ferrari in the NCAAs last year(before the season started). Why guys, especially guys who are good in both styles, wrestle Greco in the off-season is baffling. I think Lamont is another Greco guy, right? Outside of HWT, you almost always know a guys not going to progress in College by Wrestling Greco. /End Rant

Huh...I just thought the move should have been banned, but trying to figure out the intent behind it? I'd give the benefit of the doubt to Dean. He doesn't strike me as a dirty Wrestler. Despite suggestions otherwise, the Bow and Arrow IS legal and as such...he did nothing wrong. Well...that's not how they seed the Nationals, so...I don't see them making Yianni or Brooks a 9 seed. If we're going based on who we think, I'd make a few changes, but if we're goin based on how they actually seed it, this looks good.

I always said I could have been a GREAT HWT! Seriously though...I don't get how people can move after some of these meals. They just had a buy a Quarter pounder, get one for a buck. Well...I don't go to McDonalds often, but I can't pass up a deal like that! So, two Quarter Pounders with Cheese. I was on my back drooling 20 minutes later and felt like I could feel my stomach tearing(and I'm not a little guy). And yet, I've seen my Dad, a 55 year old man put away 2 Quarter Pounders, a Big Mac, a Flurry(large fry and a coke)...and then go to his 2 pound bag of M and Ms. He's 6'1 180 and has the energy of a 20 year old.

I guess it's 36:15....and now, that's NOT the direction the knee was "designed" to be bent. Which moves would you deem as being as dangerous? Lets just make the same rules as the High Schools. When start pulling the foot toward the head, then it's illegal.

Ooh...damn...I like this one. Wouldn't let Wrestlers start jogging around the Circle with 15 seconds left in a 1 point match...

So...as a ref, you arbitrarily stopped it because you were afraid the other kid...who in your estimation didn't understand the sport well enough...was going to get hurt? But your first sentence was that you'd never seen anything OTHER than a kid ACTING hurt because he just lost. Seems...contradictory, no?

No, my logic is pretty straight forward. Your argument that "the Forum" is contradictory because apparently there have been complaints about people working to ride and not turn(I don't know how to argue for "the Forum" to be clear, only my own opinion) then it's somehow at odds with the belief that a particular turn should be illegal is circular. I was using hyperbole to make a point. If we've determined SOME moves on top are dangerous or likely to cause injury, that supercedes the "Forums" desire to see more turns. Amos had his foot behind his head and his knee twisted. That's a good way to Spencer Lee a kid and serves no real purpose other than I guess serve as a strawman for those on the forum who have complained about not enough Wrestlers working for turns. Go to 35:50 and tell me that should be legal?

Yes...a full nelson would be a turning move...and it's illegal. So we've clearly decided simply attempting to turn a guy in and of itself doesn't make a move legal. This...and it was after Amos gave up 2 when his knee just buckled...so it was that same knee(didn't look serious)...but I see both sides to it. It's really not a technique, it's almost more like a submission. I don't think Amos could have put his shoulders down(which is an old coaches comment...if it hurts too bad or you can't breath, put your shoulders down).

People really think he's got a shot to beat Yianni again? That's a TALL order. That TD and NF totally changed the direction of the match. I still think Yianni's in that Starocci, Brooks, Lee group. Ahead of O'toole, RBY or anyone else as the favorites. I'll be pulling for Gomez, but...I don't know, it's asking a LOT.

I really did believe ya ionel!