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I'd be shocked if Arnold came out at 174, but I'm all for it. Being vague seems to be the Iowa way.

You would know better than me, but I thought the talk was that he would have ideally been at 133 his first two years but couldn't because of Fix? He looks like a solid 149 this year to me, it's just a lack of consistent offense.

I'm curious to see what they do with redshirts next year. I get that they'll want to put a more competitive team on the mat, but after a year of development.. I think long term it makes sense to RS everyone next year. In 2026-2027 you'll have Mauger/Walker with 3 years, Mendoza 4, Crapps 3, Rath 4, Bambinelli 4, Steed 2, Sinclair 3, Stillwell 4.

Yes. All you have to do is look at him to see that a year of maturing will be hugely beneficial. I wouldn't be surprised if he hasn't even had to shave yet. Missouri is having a completely injury plagued season and adding him to the lineup might add a few points in March, but it's not like they are relatively close to being in the trophy race.

When did we start counting RS matches on a wrestlers record? Did we just lose the only undefeated wrestler in college history?

Both Nash Singleton and Ryder Block first appear in the rankings on Dec. 9th. Nash Singleton beat Kai Owen who was previously #26. Since Block had a win over Singleton, they move him to 26, Singleton to 27, and Owen at 28. I am not going to do all the research on the rest of the guys, but knowing how flo ranks, I'm assuming 18-25 have all taken losses that have caused them to drop while Block hasn't lost to anyone ranked below him (Zach Redding was #21 when they wrestled). Basically, Flo ranks mostly objectively on wins and losses, and having wrestled such a limited schedule, he has benefited in the rankings from others taking Ls. It will sort itself out in time.

I don't know how many wrestlers in general will have 100 wins moving forward. We have guys with 5 years of eligibility that are missing or barely hitting 100 wins.

Are you a fan of OKST?

I feel like with all recent talk about how hard it is to score a clean takedown in D1 wrestling (Fish vs Chittum), this is a position that I am pretty adamant about. The defensive wrestler is essentially in a position where he has no chance to score, but might be able to keep his hands locked to "prevent control." Show me a time where the defensive wrestler has scored from this position, and I may change my mind. But otherwise, I think this should be a takedown for the wrestler that is covering the hips. It feels like the J.O. vs Steiber match to me, where it seemed clear that Oliver should have had the takedown, but with the rules at the time it wasn't control because the head was in between the legs. I think the reverse lock around the leg should not prevent a takedown from being scored. Agree, disagree, roast my opinion?

You want to use a year of Brock's eligibility to finish well outside of the top 10 at NCAAs this year? Recruits are coming, patience is needed.

Let's see that data that supports this.

Ah that makes sense. I was curious why it was different at conferences than during the regular season, but that does make sense.

Let's just use Cory Land at CKLV as an example. He lost to Knox via injury, so he isn't further penalized for his MFF loss to Witcraft. Whether you are injured or choose to MFF you will only accrue one loss. But I believe you are correct about the seeding criteria. This made me curious about Starocci last year. He stepped on the mat to injury default twice at B10s which is why he took two losses on his record. I'm curious why he needed to step on the mat the second time rather than MFF. Obviously there must be a reason?

Hours before the NCAA finals.

I was entertained with the previous entries, but you really got me with this one. Well played.

You're just in a rush. Barr may very well be a legitimate contender, but until he beats another contender, it's fair to call him a "maybe contender." Lilledahl was being credited as a contender and just lost to Dean who is a mid-ranked 125. We don't yet know where Barr is in comparison to Buchanon, Cardenas, or Ferrari. He could beat them, or he could be a step behind. We just don't know yet. But if you want to blanket everyone that wrestles for PSU as invincible then go ahead. McIntosh was pretty good, but how many titles did he win?

We know who you ride.

This poll is just to see whether or not people enjoy action on the edge of the mat. This isn't intended to create the college OB rules debate, but just to see what the majority think. I'd be curious why people enjoy or dislike edge wrestling in college.

Agreed. But how good has Jacob Frost been? It seems like he's only gaining confidence as the season goes on.

Maybe could have gotten stalling, but I didn't think that was a takedown. Without reaction time, it would have been. But I thought the call was right, and I was rooting for Fish.

@flyingcement finals has some takers.

Great opportunity to influence some people right now against Paniro.

https://www.flowrestling.org/articles/11514767-2023-nwca-all-star-classic-wrestling-results @flyingcement

I think he is a legitimate contender to be an AA this year. He could also easily go 2-2. I think there is overreaction to some narrow losses that also involved questionable refereeing (McDougald and Realbuto).