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I'm dying over here. What is the Little Known James Green Fact?

BTW another pinfall factoid. Between 1988 and 2021 there was only one weight, one year that did not feature a pinfall. In 1994, the 150 weight class had no pinfalls AND no tech falls. Lincoln McIlravy won with three majors among his five matches and an average margin of victory of 9.2 points.

I hope you are happy. I just had to fire my copy editor.

No One Talks About the Pinfelled Sure David Taylor had 11 pinfalls in his illustrious NCAA tournament career. Everyone knows that. And a few of you probably even know that Sylvester Terkay, Mark Perry, and Corey Olsen each had 8 pinfalls in their time at NCAAs. But how come no one is talking about Zack Giesen's 8 NCAA tournament pinfalls? Oh yeah, right. It is probably because he was on the wrong end of 7 of those. But don't get me wrong. He may be my new favorite wrestler. Zach Giesen wrestled for Stanford from 2008 - 2011 and won 110 matches, ending his career 4th on Stanford's all-time list. He was an All-American in 2011 finishing in sixth place. In high school he was a four timer while also earning three letters in football along with an all-state honor. In short, the dude was a stud. And somehow he still found himself staring at the lights an amazing 7 times. Let's be clear about one thing. Zach Giesen was a better wrestler than just about everyone on these forums. But there is more. He is also smarter than all of us. There are a lot of brains to go with that brawn. That is Dr. Giesen, to you. He is now a Dr. of Osteopathic Medicine specializing in invasive cardiology. Holy crap. Pinfalls - The Dark Side Honorable Mention. You can only get pinfelled a maximum of three times in any one NCAA tournament. No fun, I know. Of course that also means you are an All-American. So there is that. Between 1988 and 2021 there were two wrestlers to earn All-American the hard way. In 2017 Zac Brunson finished sixth while getting pinned three times. He was notable for getting pinned twice by the same wrestler, Brain Realbuto, in the quarters and in the fifth place match. But don't say he didn't learn anything. After getting pinfelled in 1:12 in the quarters he took what he learned there to make it to the 1:15 mark in the fifth place match. In 2016 Alec Pantaleo also finished sixth while getting pinfelled three times. I imagine that tournament left a bad taste in his mouth as his three pinfalls were in a row. After making it to the semis he went pinfall, pinfall, pinfall. Ouch, ouch, ouch. The good news for Pantaleo is he was never pinned again on his way to subsequent fifth and third place finishes.

Balletknowitall

It is amazing how much better her arabesque has become through statistical analysis

Through my nephews. They were pretty good and it sucked me in. I like watching someone who is better at something than I will ever be at anything. And they qualified on that front. I also have a niece who is a ballerina who I follow closely, though she is getting close to retirement age.

Nope. Not in college. Not in high school. Not in junior high. Not in grade school. Come to think of it, I never wrestled.

From the release: Effective immediately, reinstatement guidelines for student-athletes who wager on teams at their school — excluding their own team — will start at requiring one season of ineligibility and a loss of one year of eligibility. Student-athletes will also be required to participate in sports wagering rules and prevention education as a condition of reinstatement. Previous guidelines, as approved in June, prescribed permanent ineligibility for those cases. The adjusted guidelines may be applied to cases in which student-athletes are currently serving suspensions related to wagering on a different team at their own school that were reported on or after May 2, 2023.

Sorry, forgot the color legend. Red is the number of pinfalls, green is the number of wrestlers who won at least one match by pinfall.

Yes

@grogs84 reached out to me the other day and and asked me if I wanted a data set that contained every result from every match from every tournament from 1988 - 2021. Uhhhh, does a swimmer spit in the pool? So, if you like more of these data driven discussions make sure to throw a thank you his way. On the other hand, for those of you who were hoping I would run out of ideas and data, whoo boy, look out. On the same day our own @Husker_Du offered me a better version of the Big Board to use. Rather than use what is posted on Flo (a mishmash of when they were wise enough to have Willie do it and when they were not) I got the pure stuff, right from the source. I have both data sets hooked up straight to my veins at this point, and I am ready to roll. Not telling what is going to emerge from my fever dreams now. Thank you both, gentlemen.

2006 was the Year of the Pinfall. But I am not sure why. Any theories? And it happened across the board. Virtually all weights were up.

While I do not agree with his example, I do agree with his statement, as did the framers of the constitution. We don't have a pure democracy. The Senate exists as a check against purely representative government. It is there to specifically stop the many from strictly and always imposing their will on the few. Weren't you in the room where it happens?

That part I get. But it only explains the decision to leave real wrestling for minor league pretend wrestling. It does not explain qualifying for worlds and then backing out in the eleventh hour. Nor does it explain coming back to NCAA's after the worlds bow out.

A freakin men

This seems exactly right

Will they? Won't they? Today is supposed to be the day that the D1 Council makes their decision. The original decision got kicked back to the Division 1 Committee on Student -Athlete Reinstatement and Legislative Committee (name chosen by the Department of Redundancy Department?) on October 4th at the request of the Collegiate Commissioners Association (good thing there is not a ton of bureaucracy slowing this down). https://www.ncaa.org/news/2023/10/4/media-center-di-council-to-reexamine-sports-wagering-reinstatement-guidelines.aspx

What makes you think that? I do not know either way. And I certainly do not know the ins and outs of the judicial process like @VakAttack, so would be interested in his experience.

What do you mean by "now"?

So, I saw this question when you first posed it and it saddened me. Not the question, per se, but the fact that I did not have the data to answer the question properly. But, then out of the blue, another member of the forum came along and offered me exactly the thing I was missing, a match by match breakdown of every NCAA Tournament from 1988 - 2021. I about crapped my pants, I was so excited. And while I need to do a little more work to answer your question better (even though it was very poorly phrased, after all what the hell is a pin?), I think this simple bar chart suggests what the correct answer is. No, there probably was not a meaningful change in pinfalls as a result of the 2016 change from 3 point near fall to 4 point near fall. However, there was likely a meaningful uptick in techfalls and major decisions.

I spit on spreadsheets

Indeed

That Trump chose a bench trial and lost that trial has been very widely reported.