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Yeah, it never made sense to me that someone who was actually affected by COVID (anyone whose fourth year of eligibility was 2020) in that they lost a chance to be crowned champ, or AA, or NQ did not get the benefit of the free year, but someone who was completely unaffected by the shutdown at the college level (2021 freshman) got an extra year. It is like they transferred Mark Hall's 4th year to Carter Starocci and they get 8 between them. Non-sensical.

So many things bug me about the Keegan O'Toole version of this tired thread. What is the point of trying to score internet points off of someone's lose. First we bitch about ducking and think one of these guys is gonna duck. You heard it hear first. Here a duck, there a duck, everywhere a duck duck. Then when they wrestle it is time to score some points off the loser? This is a hackneyed bit. I remember when @Jimmy Cinnabon could be counted on for top class wrestling message board trolling. Now I am waiting for him to start a "Who Let The Dogs Out?, Boo Yeah, All That and a Bag of Chips, Da Bomb David Carr for Heisman and Hodge" thread. And back when this even was an original way to troll it was reserved for perceived frauds, or over-hyped wrestlers. Keegan O'Toole is absolutely not either of those. You are forcing it and it just is not working. Dumb. It's just dumb.

Don't discount that I was trying to type and watch. All errors are my own.

Well, I am glad we got that settled. Grant Willits was eligible to return this season, and would have been the highest returning placer at 141, but decided not to.

Great stuff, @fishbane

Looks like you mixed up the names and had me worried. Jacques won 2-0 Sorry about that.

165 I didn't catch either guys name. Not sure who is wrestling. Some guy named Carr against another guy named O'Toole apparently. Carr dances, O'Toole stalks. Nothing yet. O'Toole sweep single attempt, Carr double attempt neither connect. Carr in deep on the left leg, working around and hooks the ankle. O'Toole splits the right leg back, but Carr keeps working for the TD. 2-0. end of 1. Carr quick escape 3-0. O'Toole gets the TD but Carr out immediately. 4-2. Refs want to take a look. Call stands. 1:31 left. Carr stuffs O'Toole's shot. O'Toole gets the ankle, but Carr gets out and turns on O'Toole and gets the TD with 4 secs to go. 6-2 Carr after 2. O'Toole up to his feet but back down quickly. Carr over a minute of RT. Resetting. O'Toole very active on bottom. Carr hanging on to leg, gets the stall, and they reset. Carr finishes on top. 7-2. Very impressive.

157 Kraisser ISU Jacques Mizz Jacques with the ankle pick and Kraisser over the back. Scrambling. minute left. Kraisser worrking hard and gets the TD looking for back points. Doesn't get them 2-0 end 1. Kraisser on top. Kraisser looking to reverse. Stalemate. Kraisser mat return. RT over a minute. Kraisser with the ride out. 2-0. Jacques riding to start 3rd. Gets RT under 1 min. Jacques on the leg gets the stall. Still riding after reset. And it ends that way back to back ride outs. 2-0.

Match took too long. Past the 15 minute edit period, but Johnson in deep, Mauller wizzers, then turns the wizzer into a pinfall. Holy crap.

149 Johnson ISU Mauler Mizz Hand fighting and jockeying for ties so far. Paniro shoots at 1:30 but Mauller showing some good D. Nothing. Johnson in again on a leg, but gives it up alomst immediately. Period ends 2-0 with two committed-ish shots. Mauller on top to start 2nd. Johnson out after 36 seconds. Mauller takes a shot a second too late. Gets the TD just after the buzzer. 1-0 Johnson. Mauller out quick 1-1. Mauller tries a slide by, but Johnson too quick. 50 secs left. Johnson tries a duck, but Mauller too quick, 25 secs left. To OT. Johnson shoots immediately, but Mauller barely avoids TD. Blood time 1:45 left. Refs reviewing but there was no TD. Come on, if you haven't seen a TD by now, you aren't going to. I had time for a snack break. Wife made heart shaped magic cookie bars for Valentine's s Day. She loves me. And no TD. Told ya so. Big scramble, no TD. Johnson was soooo close again. 1;11 left more blood.

141 Swiderski ISU Hart Mizz Hart looking like he is borrowing Bo Nickal's noodle arms. And he uses them like Nickal to get a leg elevated and finishes for 2. Tring for back points but only two swipes. Has Swiderski stretched out and flat. Swiderski not doing a thing on bottom. Stalemate called as Hart reaches for the bow and arrow. Come on. I want that b&a. Stall on Swiderski. Hart gets a loose cradle and can't hold it. Ends 2-0 with 2:34 of RT. Start neutral in second. Swiderski pressuring gets an ankle pick but can't finish and they scramble. Stopped for blood. Both guys looking to wrestle from distance. Swiderski on the ankle leg elevated, can't get around behind, and period ends. 2-0. Swiderski lets Hart up 3-0 to start third. Hart in deep on a single elevates, Swiderski hopping, and Hart with the TD. 5-0. Rides out the third, gets a stall 7-0. Cuts him too late to get the major. 7-1 final.

OOPS posted wrong place. 133 Redding ISU Brown Mizz Missed the start, but a long scramble ends with Redding getting the TD. Brown out after about 30 secs. Period 1 ends 2-1 Brown starts 2 on top. Erased RT and Redding is out. 3-1. Minute left. Redding in deep, gets the TD 5-1. Refs stop the action to go to the monitor. Redding left his feet on cut back 5-2. Brown with late escape. Period ends 5-3. Redding gets o9ut of position. Brown reverses him 5-5. Redding still with RT. Redding now looking for reversal. And gets it 7-5. Brown reverses him with 8 secs. Looking for back points with a figure four on the leg, but illegal hold makes it 8-7 with 2 secs left. Final is 9-7. All action in that match.

133 Redding ISU Brown Mizz Missed the start, but a long scramble ends with Redding getting the TD. Brown out after about 30 secs. Period 1 ends 2-1 Brown starts 2 on top. Erased RT and Redding is out. 3-1. Minute left. Redding in deep, gets the TD 5-1. Refs stop the action to go to the monitor.

A freakin men

125 Fuessley ISU Surtin Mizz Surtin close on two attempts, Fuessly on one in first 90 but all end up OB. Surtin body lock and slams Fuessly to his back for 2 and 4, 4 more near fall 10-0. That got hot fast. Fuessly quad pods and gets the arms too close to the legs. Surtin wraps up the cradle and gets the pinfall at 2:53.

285 Schuyler throws Elam to his back for 2, quick escape. 2-1. Schuyler with a quick TD, escape. 4-2. End of first. Elam out quick. 4-3. Schulyer in deep, but can't finish. 1 min to go. Elam with maybe one shot so far. Second ends 4-3. Elam riding tough. Looks for the cradle, but instead it lets Schuyler out. 5-3. Elam needs to get active. Elam with a tired single leg attempt after upper body doesn't work. Schuyler stall. Now dancing as Elam not too threatening. 5-3 final to Schuyler.

Elam with the take down late in the first and the ride out to lead 2-0 with 53 secs of RT Elam rides hard in the second and gets a cradle but can't hold on to it. Settles for the ride out 2:53 RT. Elam quick escape to start third. Bastida pressing the pace, but nothing. Elam gets a stall warning with about 25 secs to go. And it ends 4-0 Elam.

I am ok with leaving it. This is an example of a completely civilized way to clear up an honest misunderstanding. The internet needs the example.

by the way, where are you seeing that? I just checked Intermat, Flo, WIN, Wrestlestat and the coaches and all of them have AOC #2 or #3.

Yes. At the risk of speaking for someone else's work without having a clue why they did what they did... I would guess it has to do with AOC getting a late start to the season. In his absence Robb was number 1, but now that AOC manhandled Andonian, they moved AOC to the top.

The profile shows the bonus with a separate column for bonus %. This is the % of matches. The individual weight ranks shows the percentage of wins that were by bonus. That is why it is in the same column as the win % and separated by a slash. Not the clearest way to present the data.

Then I have good news for you. Wrestlestat does use total matches in the denominator.

Are you talking about how the NCAA calculates it?

I think we have at least two possible scenarios. 1. One coach left each guy off and the NCAA threw out the high and low of the 13 remaining votes to get to 11 total votes. 2. Two coaches left each guy off and the NCAA treated one of those two as the low, and threw it out along with the high, leaving 12 total votes (one of which was effectively zero). The second scenario makes more sense, now that I think about it. Taken to the extreme the first scenario could wind up having someone who was named on only 3 ballots as the top rank as long as at least two of those ballots have him number 1.