Jimmy Cinnabon Posted February 2, 2023 Posted February 2, 2023 Not sure this has been discussed before, but in America, wrestling is still a predominantly white sport. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that this is because the demographics of the biggest wrestling states in the country reflect this -- wrestling is a powerhouse in the Northeast and the Midwest and in states like PA, NJ, OH, IA, IL, MI, MN whites make up the majority by far, 75% or more of the population. Hence ,it's not surprising that college wrestling ranks also reflect this. However, I'd like to highlight one notable exception -- my favorite team, Penn State. Penn State has 7 out of 10 spots manned by a underrepresented minority! 133 RBY 141 Bartlett 149 SVN 165 Facundo 174 Starocci 184 Brooks HWT Kerkvliet I can't think of another major D1 program that has 70% URM starters...let alone a majority. As a PSU alum, I am very proud that Penn State has been able to be the top program all the while showcasing this diverse talent, which I believe is a strength for the program -- not because I feel there is inherent wrestling benefit in having a diverse lineup, but because in order to grow this sport we all love and adore, we need to increase the appeal among all citizens of our country. Wrestling is already a niche sport and in order for it to grow I'd like to see the sport grow in other areas of the country aside from the Northeast and the Midwest. In particular I'd like to see more wrestling in urban areas, areas where many URMs grow up and reside. So in summary, a tip of the cap to my Penn State Nittany Lions, who I know care only about putting the best wrestlers on the mat and winning Big 10 and NCAA titles...but the fact that they can have a 70% URM lineup warms my heart!
wjd Posted February 2, 2023 Posted February 2, 2023 Had injuries not taken place the Arizona State Lineup would have topped them with 8. 125 - Figueroa 133 - McGee 141 - Vasquez 149 - Parco 157 - Teamer 174 - Valencia 184 - Montalvo 197 - Norfleet
Jason Bryant Posted February 2, 2023 Posted February 2, 2023 Old Dominion had 8 wrestlers of color in their starting lineup when the AD dropped the sport. One of which is now at ASU. Some people can get uptight talking about diversity and always "making race a topic," but when college presidents want to beat the drum about first generation college students and their acceptance of all types, then they cut the most racially diverse team on a campus, you can best bet they don't want to hear about that. ODU's president has yet to reply to me about his predecessor allowing that to happen. Wrestling is for everyone. All shapes, all sizes, all colors. We really do embrace that in a lot of ways. There's still some stereotypes and tropes that exist in the sport that get repeated too often, mainly out of laziness. There are still groups looking to do things no one who looks like them have ever done, or most recently, like Tamyra Mensah-Stock, became the first to do. Our differences make us unique. Our differences also bond us. No matter how good or bad we were, we are wrestlers, right? 8 Insert catchy tagline here.
ionel Posted February 2, 2023 Posted February 2, 2023 I had a plain bagel with butter for breakfast this morning. Its not that I'm opposed to diversity (although pastries sometimes annoy my tummy) but thats what I found on the shelf. 2BPE 11/17/24 SMC
Mr. PeanutButter Posted February 2, 2023 Posted February 2, 2023 This is your yukiest thread yet. It's hard for me to read what the OP wrote and not boil it down to "oh wow, the wrestlers on PSU are black AND good at wrestling! Mind blown!!!" I strongly doubt Cael and company Look at a wrestler's ethnicity, religious beliefs, sexual orientation, etc when making recruiting decisions. I assume they take character into consideration but I doubt they look at skin color when making that evaluation. The PSU team is full of really great wrestlers who, as far as I can tell, are great men in general (except for Carter). They have reached the pinnacle of the sport, doubtlessly overcoming countless set backs and challenges. That's what they should be celebrated for. As long as they continue to work hard, wrestle hard, do their schoolwork, and avoid getting into trouble, why even factor in diversity? Someone will inevitably take this to mean that I'm against diversity or some crackpot. To that, all I have to say is: bold of you to assume my gender or ethnicity 2
Elevator Posted February 2, 2023 Posted February 2, 2023 3 hours ago, Mr. PeanutButter said: This is your yukiest thread yet. It's hard for me to read what the OP wrote and not boil it down to "oh wow, the wrestlers on PSU are black AND good at wrestling! Mind blown!!!" I strongly doubt Cael and company Look at a wrestler's ethnicity, religious beliefs, sexual orientation, etc when making recruiting decisions. I assume they take character into consideration but I doubt they look at skin color when making that evaluation. The PSU team is full of really great wrestlers who, as far as I can tell, are great men in general (except for Carter). They have reached the pinnacle of the sport, doubtlessly overcoming countless set backs and challenges. That's what they should be celebrated for. As long as they continue to work hard, wrestle hard, do their schoolwork, and avoid getting into trouble, why even factor in diversity? Someone will inevitably take this to mean that I'm against diversity or some crackpot. To that, all I have to say is: bold of you to assume my gender or ethnicity you self-identify as one of my favorite food staples - so I give you the benefit right off the bat 2
SocraTease Posted February 2, 2023 Posted February 2, 2023 5 hours ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said: Not sure this has been discussed before, but in America, wrestling is still a predominantly white sport. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that this is because the demographics of the biggest wrestling states in the country reflect this -- wrestling is a powerhouse in the Northeast and the Midwest and in states like PA, NJ, OH, IA, IL, MI, MN whites make up the majority by far, 75% or more of the population. Hence ,it's not surprising that college wrestling ranks also reflect this. However, I'd like to highlight one notable exception -- my favorite team, Penn State. Penn State has 7 out of 10 spots manned by a underrepresented minority! 133 RBY 141 Bartlett 149 SVN 165 Facundo 174 Starocci 184 Brooks HWT Kerkvliet I can't think of another major D1 program that has 70% URM starters...let alone a majority. As a PSU alum, I am very proud that Penn State has been able to be the top program all the while showcasing this diverse talent, which I believe is a strength for the program -- not because I feel there is inherent wrestling benefit in having a diverse lineup, but because in order to grow this sport we all love and adore, we need to increase the appeal among all citizens of our country. Wrestling is already a niche sport and in order for it to grow I'd like to see the sport grow in other areas of the country aside from the Northeast and the Midwest. In particular I'd like to see more wrestling in urban areas, areas where many URMs grow up and reside. So in summary, a tip of the cap to my Penn State Nittany Lions, who I know care only about putting the best wrestlers on the mat and winning Big 10 and NCAA titles...but the fact that they can have a 70% URM lineup warms my heart! What are the backgrounds (e.g., ethnicities) of Bartlett and Facundo? Just curious
forkemaz Posted February 2, 2023 Posted February 2, 2023 6 hours ago, wjd said: Had injuries not taken place the Arizona State Lineup would have topped them with 8. 125 - Figueroa 133 - McGee 141 - Vasquez 149 - Parco 157 - Teamer 174 - Valencia 184 - Montalvo 197 - Norfleet I'm an ASU fan and I had no idea... because this is stupid and skin color has nothing to do with wrestling. I'm glad this crap has mostly stayed in other sports. We are all wrestlers. 1
Husker_Du Posted February 2, 2023 Posted February 2, 2023 4 hours ago, Mr. PeanutButter said: The PSU team is full of really great wrestlers who, as far as I can tell, are great men in general (except for Carter). They have reached the pinnacle of the sport, doubtlessly overcoming countless set backs and challenges. That's what they should be celebrated for. Carter Starocci is an incredible young man and has worked his tail off. 2 TBD
gimpeltf Posted February 2, 2023 Posted February 2, 2023 20 minutes ago, Husker_Du said: Bartlett and Facundo are hispanic. Bartlett is part hispanic. (Probably mostly). He once told me his ethnicity. It was pretty diverse. There's some Asian as I recall.
Nailbender Posted February 2, 2023 Posted February 2, 2023 1 hour ago, gimpeltf said: Bartlett is part hispanic. (Probably mostly). He once told me his ethnicity. It was pretty diverse. There's some Asian as I recall. So he wins!
LJB Posted February 2, 2023 Posted February 2, 2023 any chance PSU could get the other 3 Caucasian wrestlers to identify as some other ethnic group? 10 for 10 be another quality thread... 1 2
MPhillips Posted February 2, 2023 Posted February 2, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Elevator said: you self-identify as one of my favorite food staples - so I give you the benefit right off the bat Clever. Not snarky. Questionable judgement... Kudos. Edited February 2, 2023 by MPhillips .
MPhillips Posted February 2, 2023 Posted February 2, 2023 2 minutes ago, Formally140 said: Sigh Can't get a silk purse from a sow's ear. .
ionel Posted February 2, 2023 Posted February 2, 2023 3 hours ago, Elevator said: you self-identify as one of my favorite food staples - so I give you the benefit right off the bat Think I speak for many on these here new boards in saying we are glad Mr. PB changed his identification. 1 1 2BPE 11/17/24 SMC
LJB Posted February 3, 2023 Posted February 3, 2023 this thread would better served trying to guess @Mr. PeanutButter actual gender or ethnicity... i will start... Puerto Rican Jew... gender fluid... no doubt 2
Mr. PeanutButter Posted February 3, 2023 Posted February 3, 2023 13 minutes ago, LJB said: this thread would better served trying to guess @Mr. PeanutButter actual gender or ethnicity... i will start... Puerto Rican Jew... gender fluid... no doubt Ive never felt so transparent 2
LJB Posted February 3, 2023 Posted February 3, 2023 1 minute ago, Mr. PeanutButter said: Ive never felt so transparent don't feel bad... i am not your typical honky... 1
Mr. PeanutButter Posted February 3, 2023 Posted February 3, 2023 2 hours ago, Husker_Du said: Carter Starocci is an incredible young man and has worked his tail off. I was trying to take a light jab at his arrogance but, 1) I'm just some faceless entity on the internet. Meanwhile, he is on track to be a college great, 2) his attitude has served him well this far, and 3) I have no reason to believe that his positive traits don't far outweigh his negative ones 2
ionel Posted February 3, 2023 Posted February 3, 2023 21 minutes ago, LJB said: this thread would better served trying to guess @Mr. PeanutButter actual gender or ethnicity... Can we first ask some questions. crunchy or creamy? 1 2BPE 11/17/24 SMC
Wrestleknownothing Posted February 3, 2023 Posted February 3, 2023 1 minute ago, ionel said: Can we first ask some questions. crunchy or creamy? And there is only one right answer. 1 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge
LJB Posted February 3, 2023 Posted February 3, 2023 3 minutes ago, ionel said: Can we first ask some questions. crunchy or creamy? texture fluidity is a thing mister... be careful... you are about to cross a line...
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