Real American Freestyle

[Husker_Du]

Just about everything is finalized. But I thought I'd take it to the boards to leave no stone unturned....

 

If you were starting a league, what would you like to see?

what would your rules be?

what weights?

what structure? 

[okokzach]

4 hours ago, Husker_Du said:

Just about everything is finalized. But I thought I'd take it to the boards to leave no stone unturned....

If you were starting a league, what would you like to see?

what would your rules be?

what weights?

what structure? 

I would want the rules to heavily incentivize/favor the attacking wrestler. "Holding center" isn't doing anything for me as a spectator. 

My guess is you'd have to condense the weights until the league gets huge and you can afford a giant roster. 

[nhs67]

Weights?

One of three options, but skipping some, maybe...?

MMA:

- 125, 135, 145, 155, 170, 185, 205, 265

NCAA:

- 133, 149, 165, 184, 285

MFS:

- 125, 143, 163, 189, 213, 286

More realistically?  I imagine we see something simple:

135, 150, 175, 200, 250, UNL

Rules?  Keep it MFS, MGR, or Folkstyle.  You could even have it be something like

- P1, MGR

- P2, MFS

- P3, Folkstyle

OR!

Have them step on the mat, and have some screen randomly decide P1, then - like choice in Folkstyle, wrestler gets choice for P2 after the flip.  After Period 2 the other wrestler gets choice.

Let Techs be 20 points, regardless of style.  Majors are 10 points.

For team purposes, I like the international styles better.  Use that for inspiration, with Folkstyle thrown in.

6-0 for the Pinfelleries, DQ, and Forfeitd.

5-0 for the Techfelleries when the loser has zero points

5-1 for the Techfelleries when the loser has more than zero points

4-0 for the Majors when the loser has zero points

4-1 for the Majors when the loser has more than zero points

3-0 for the Regular Decisions when the loser has zero points

3-1 for the Regular Decisions when the loser has more than zero points

[flyingcement]

I'm excited for it.  I have been wondering for awhile why the existing RTCs dont have some sort of a league setup.  but this is great.  

As for what we want to see.  Sarah vs Drew Hildebrandt would be hilarious

[MPhillips]

I want to see a dual FS/GR. Good camera angles, announcers, mat focused. Not interested in watching a "show" with wrestling. With that said, I don't need wrestling sold to me...

[Jim L]

Exactly the same as UWW Freestyle.

Sorry, but why do I want to  see the best in the US wrestling another different style. If they are doing a different style than what the best in the world does it is a gimmick.

 

[MPhillips]

28 minutes ago, Jim L said:

If they are doing a different style than what the best in the world does it is a gimmick.

 

It's called Real-American Freestyle, lets hope it's true...

Edited Friday at 05:29 PM by MPhillips

[jross]

20 hours ago, Husker_Du said:

Just about everything is finalized. But I thought I'd take it to the boards to leave no stone unturned....

 

If you were starting a league, what would you like to see?

what would your rules be?

what weights?

what structure? 

Take inspiration from Banana Baseball.  It is the most fun baseball event I've attended, and some of their rules should be merged to the MLB. 

Banana Wrestling

1. The match can consist of five 72 second periods.  The winner is chosen based on most periods won rather than the total points scored.  This makes it so one bad period doesn't cost the match.  
2. A tech or pin wins the period, not the match.
3. Intentional mat fleeing results in the immediate loss of the period.
4. Stepping out of bounds twice in a match results in the passive wrestler wearing a "COWARD" bandana for the match remainder.
5. During the activity clock period, the passive wrestler scores points as normal.  The aggressor has a Golden scoring opportunity where all points are doubled.
6. A wrestler put on the activity clock two times in the match is immediately disqualified.
7. The match is over when a wrestler reaches wins 3 periods, after 5 periods are completed, or when a wrestler is disqualified.

More can be discussed here with regards to bonus for winning a period by pin or five+ points.  Add some humorous penalties for passivity or lost challenges.  You win the tiebreaker by escaping the banana splits...  Things that engage the crowd...

It hurts me to predict that standard wrestling will not bring the revenue to keep RAF going.  This has been tried before...

If following the International Freestyle rules, I have one request.

• Consistently enforce the passivity rule by always calling passivity on the truly passive wrestler, regardless of how many times it occurs within a period or match. Eliminate the practice where the non-passive wrestler is penalized for passivity in the first period, followed by the passive wrestler being penalized in the second period.  

[MPhillips]

29 minutes ago, jross said:

Take inspiration from Banana Baseball. 

It's entertaining indeed...

[mspart]

Interesting rule set.   Thanks for sharing.   There's some decent ideas there.

mspart

[Husker_Du]

it's going to be UWW FS rules with some exceptions.

i'm gonna do away with amplitude as criteria. last point scored is the only tie breaker. no one - not the athletes, fans, or coaches - wants to spend the last 30 seconds calculating. 

there's going to be 8 weights. closely aligned w/ existing UWW weights. 

 

[okokzach]

2 minutes ago, Husker_Du said:

it's going to be UWW FS rules with some exceptions.

i'm gonna do away with amplitude as criteria. last point scored is the only tie breaker. no one - not the athletes, fans, or coaches - wants to spend the last 30 seconds calculating. 

there's going to be 8 weights. closely aligned w/ existing UWW weights. 

 

Dang. Sudden victory would've been sweet 

[Husker_Du]

sudden victory is a recipe for nonsense. 

think it through. 

[Truzzcat]

22 hours ago, Husker_Du said:

Just about everything is finalized. But I thought I'd take it to the boards to leave no stone unturned....

 

If you were starting a league, what would you like to see?

what would your rules be?

what weights?

what structure? 

I think that weights need to be a bit of a wider range especially at each end. I think 59-60kg would be a great lightest weight to allow for matches like Vito vs stevan or similarly to the ono vs spencer match. As for the upper weights I think 95kg+ should be heavyweight. Domestically there are just not interesting matches and even internationally I think it is slim pickings at heavyweight.

As for rules I think bo3 Free,Folk,Free would be super fun especially with international guys although I think that would be hard to pitch.

As for team Structure I believe the Format for the TGL(tomorrows golf league)  made for a very easy watch. They essentially had people sponsoring each team.

[Wrasslin]

It would be great to get rid of the challenge brick, or if necessary, limit review time. I understand the importance of getting the right call made, but it's a killer as it is right now. 

Also, I understand it's Real American Freestyle, but it'd be cool to mix in some foreign stars. Additionally, the market in some of these countries for PPV or whatever is massive. Money talks, both to get the foreign wrestlers and the international audience.

Finally, to appeal to a broad audience (other than folks on here, who would watch anyway regardless), I think you have to have storylines. Casual fans need to feel connected and invested in the wrestlers, and if RAF believes in their mission statement (on their website) to, "create a platform for elite athletes to compete in front of millions of fans," that doesn't happen is a peripheral sport like wrestling unless there are storylines. 

Edited Friday at 08:16 PM by Wrasslin

[jross]

Storylines and fun!

It isn’t violent enough like the UFC so it cannot be boring.

Why should the UFC fan watch?

Its like it needs a big bro series or copy UFC ideas.

——

The UFC has several television series, with the most prominent being "The Ultimate Fighter," a reality competition where aspiring MMA fighters compete for a UFC contract. Other series include "UFC Unleashed," which airs full fights from previous events, and "Why We Fight," a documentary series exploring the lives of UFC fighters. Additionally, there are series like "UFC Embedded," which provides behind-the-scenes glimpses, and "UFC Main Event…”

 

[152lbs]

There isn't a market for it, and will be lucky to last a full season.

[alex1fly]

2 hours ago, jross said:

Take inspiration from Banana Baseball.  It is the most fun baseball event I've attended, and some of their rules should be merged to the MLB. 

Banana Wrestling

1. The match can consist of five 72 second periods.  The winner is chosen based on most periods won rather than the total points scored.  This makes it so one bad period doesn't cost the match.  
2. A tech or pin wins the period, not the match.
3. Intentional mat fleeing results in the immediate loss of the period.
4. Stepping out of bounds twice in a match results in the passive wrestler wearing a "COWARD" bandana for the match remainder.
5. During the activity clock period, the passive wrestler scores points as normal.  The aggressor has a Golden scoring opportunity where all points are doubled.
6. A wrestler put on the activity clock two times in the match is immediately disqualified.
7. The match is over when a wrestler reaches wins 3 periods, after 5 periods are completed, or when a wrestler is disqualified.

More can be discussed here with regards to bonus for winning a period by pin or five+ points.  Add some humorous penalties for passivity or lost challenges.  You win the tiebreaker by escaping the banana splits...  Things that engage the crowd...

It hurts me to predict that standard wrestling will not bring the revenue to keep RAF going.  This has been tried before...

If following the International Freestyle rules, I have one request.

• Consistently enforce the passivity rule by always calling passivity on the truly passive wrestler, regardless of how many times it occurs within a period or match. Eliminate the practice where the non-passive wrestler is penalized for passivity in the first period, followed by the passive wrestler being penalized in the second period.  

If a fan gets a takedown, it counts as 4 points.

[CHROMEBIRD]

Out of bounds is lava. Literally. 

Challenge brick is an actual brick.

Corner initiating a review must strip down to underwear, Mongolian style, until a decision is rendered.

Wrestlers get to choose their opponent's walk-out music.

Interlocking fingers: 1st time is warning. 2nd time, wrestlers hands are duct taped together for the rest of the match.

Replace criteria with golden score overtime, but with Doja Cat blasting so they get it over with ASAP.

[bnwtwg]

Reviews are limited to 2 minutes TOTAL from time of whistle. I don't care if it's the last two seconds of Gable vs Snyder in a tie match. Keep the action moving.

Amplitude but it should be rewarded even higher. 6 points. Let the fur fly and make some highlights rather than scrambles.

Every competitor must wear a 100% jesus trained shirt or bandana

Main event must be a three man cage match between Starocci, Focus, and Bartlett's wife

If you met me at the halfway point of my requests it would be great. You can pick whichever two that make you happiest @Husker_Du

 

Additionally, if this is a financial success can you please invest a little back into a more ad-friendly forum experience kthx.

[bnwtwg]

6 minutes ago, CHROMEBIRD said:

Wrestlers get to choose their opponent's walk-out music.

This is actually a really good one

[152lbs]

Have 8 weight classes.  Red team and blue team.  Coin toss determines which team draws their opponent first.  Make the possibility of lightweight vs hwt.

[okokzach]

53 minutes ago, jross said:

Storylines and fun!

It isn’t violent enough like the UFC so it cannot be boring.

Why should the UFC fan watch?

Its like it needs a big bro series or copy UFC ideas.

——

The UFC has several television series, with the most prominent being "The Ultimate Fighter," a reality competition where aspiring MMA fighters compete for a UFC contract. Other series include "UFC Unleashed," which airs full fights from previous events, and "Why We Fight," a documentary series exploring the lives of UFC fighters. Additionally, there are series like "UFC Embedded," which provides behind-the-scenes glimpses, and "UFC Main Event…”

 

We need a Bo vs Khamzat match 

[Husker_Du]

39 minutes ago, CHROMEBIRD said:

Out of bounds is lava. Literally. 

Challenge brick is an actual brick.

Corner initiating a review must strip down to underwear, Mongolian style, until a decision is rendered.

Wrestlers get to choose their opponent's walk-out music.

Interlocking fingers: 1st time is warning. 2nd time, wrestlers hands are duct taped together for the rest of the match.

Replace criteria with golden score overtime, but with Doja Cat blasting so they get it over with ASAP.

i like it.

gonna run these past the brass. 

[Husker_Du]

33 minutes ago, bnwtwg said:

Main event must be a three man cage match between Starocci, Focus, and Bartlett's wife

With weapons

33 minutes ago, bnwtwg said:

Additionally, if this is a financial success can you please invest a little back into a more ad-friendly forum experience kthx.

never