Finals thread

[Wrestleknownothing]

14 minutes ago, vsnej said:

As crazy as this sounds PSU underperformed - even after scoring 4.5 pts more than last year.  Out of their 10 AA's, 3 matched their seeds, 2 exceeded their seeds and 5 were below their seeds.  Such is the bar they have created.

125 - seeded 1st - NO  3rd Place - Luke Lilledahl  
133 - seeded 8th - YES 5th Place - Braeden Davis  
141 - seeded 2nd - NO  3rd Place - Beau Bartlett  
149 - seeded 3rd - ==  3rd Place - Shayne Van Ness  
157 - seeded 1st - NO  3rd Place - Tyler Kasak  
165 - seeded 1st - ==  1st Place - Mitchell Mesenbrink  
174 - seeded 2nd - NO  3rd Place - Levi Haines  
184 - seeded 1st - ==  1st Place - Carter Starocci  
197 - seeded 4th - YES 2nd Place - Josh Barr of  
285 - seeded 3rd - NO  6th Place - Greg Kerkvliet  

 

1 minute ago, MPhillips said:

@Wrestleknownothingwill have the complete stats. Give him a chance...

Funny, I was just looking at this. I have not put this year's complete results into the db yet, so there is a little hand work here. I will fix that.

PSU had an average seed of 2.6. I do not know for sure (I will be checking), but I believe this is unprecedented. In spite of that insanely high starting point, the end point only missed by 0.5. They finished with an average position of 3.1. That they missed by only a half a spot is pretty bonkers. Below are the Cael years up until now.

So, in spite of having a nearly impossible number to beat, they still did better relative to seed than in 2022, 2019, 2017, and 2013. And they did this with 10 wrestlers. It is always easier when there are few opportunities for failure, especially where outperformance is not possible (#1 seeds).

And here is the thing about 2024. Starocci was the #9 seed for purely administrative reasons. If he is not forced to medically forfeit by his coach, he is likely the #1 seed. That would have brought PSU's average seed down to 3.2. In that scenario, PSU also misses by 0.5 in a year when they also break the point scoring record.

The idea of underperformance and overperformance is not an absolute. I know in the hot take era this is not a popular view. Stephen A Smith is getting paid an insane amount for a reason. But if you are the #33 seeded wrestler there is no such thing as underperformance. And if you are the #1 seeded wrestler there is no such thing as overperformance. A sliding scale, or at least the acknowledgement of the one-sided distribution, must be employed.

Also, keep in mind that this is still way better than the field. Based on averages generated from all teams (including PSU's own performance) PSU was expected to score 156 points and have 8.6 AAs. They beat both those numbers. The only place they missed was that they had 2.7 expected champions. And they were only a TD away from beating that.

[Wrestleknownothing]

4 minutes ago, Perry said:

4th place doesn't get you on the podium anymore. 2 years in a row without a team plaque for the hawks now 

Yes, it does.

[Scouts Honor]

10 hours ago, BruceyB said:

Okay, well again, the problem is that their is no penalty for challenging a call. Right now, every close call gets challenged, even if it's a long shot to be overturned because there is no reason not to. Likewise, if you're winded, just throw out a brick for a made up challenge and let you're wrestler catch a quick breather. I blame the rule, not the coaches/athletes.

exactly.. look at challenge flags in the NFL, the card in volleyball, it's just an extra time out...

so i'm saying the people griping about gaming the brick should not call wrestling coaches cheaters for doing what should be done

[Perry]

51 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

Yes, it does.

They changed it last year. Iowa state did not get a team trophy last year for finishing 4th. Unless they changed it again only the top 3 get team trophies now. 

[Wrestleknownothing]

7 minutes ago, Perry said:

They changed it last year. Iowa state did not get a team trophy last year for finishing 4th. Unless they changed it again only the top 3 get team trophies now. 

They reversed their decision in the offseason, awarded Iowa State their fourth place trophy after the fact, and now award through fourth again at the tournament.

[Perry]

10 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

They reversed their decision in the offseason, awarded Iowa State their fourth place trophy after the fact, and now award through fourth again at the tournament.

Interesting, thanks for correcting me!

[Rassling2]

14 hours ago, Rassling2 said:

Couldn’t have said it better myself. And the clowns in this blue room supported his antics since day one. Hahahaha!!!

Like you peanutbutter you POS. 

[Scouts Honor]

11 hours ago, RockLobster said:

You keep yawning. Time for you to go to bed, old man.

You probably don't remember that there was no question asked nor answered.

Alzheimer's is a bitch. Being a cranky, belligerent old bastard to everybody doesn't help. Find compassion.

lol

was this you

Be a man that understands compassion. Leave it alone.

[D3 for LU]

I watched the finals last nite on the ol' telly.

As far as watch-ability goes, I found my self DOZING several times (w/my cat on my lap, doing the same.)

Thank gawd I woke up for the 285 final... you couldn't scripted a better setting(AND ending) for these NCAA's.

The NCAA wrestling season may be done, but we do have the international season to look forward to watch.

All Hail the champions... and start the countdown to next season!

D3

 

 

Edited Sunday at 05:46 PM by D3 for LU

[RockLobster]

12 hours ago, Scouts Honor said:

lol

was this you

Be a man that understands compassion. Leave it alone.

Post as you wish - but I'm not talking to you here, and I have zero interest in anything you post.

Start posting like a respectable person and I might change my mind. I won't hold my breath.

Edited yesterday at 05:04 AM by RockLobster

[RockLobster]

16 hours ago, nhs67 said:

 Yes, there was a question asked.

Then answered.

Read better and don't be so emotional, bud.

There were questions asked, and questions answered in this thread. Quite a few of them.

It's just that no question I asked you was answered. No matter how you try to twist it.

I'm not emotional at all. It's my direct style that makes me appear that way. 

[Boring]

12 hours ago, D3 for LU said:

I watched the finals last nite on the ol' telly.

As far as watch-ability goes, I found my self DOZING several times (w/my cat on my lap, doing the same.)

Thank gawd I woke up for the 285 final... you couldn't scripted a better setting(AND ending) for these NCAA's.

The NCAA wrestling season may be done, but we do have the international season to look forward to watch.

All Hail the champions... and start the countdown to next season!

D3

 

 

Actually I could've scripted a better end to the HWT match. Gable builds up a large lead, maybe 10-2, with 20 seconds left and both guys in neutral. Hendricksen then does a lateral drop on Gable and pins him with 1 second left in the match. 

[nhs67]

5 hours ago, RockLobster said:

There were questions asked, and questions answered in this thread. Quite a few of them.

It's just that no question I asked you was answered. No matter how you try to twist it.

I'm not emotional at all. It's my direct style that makes me appear that way. 

Yawn.

You're still on about... what exactly?

Someone asked a question.  I answered them.

You decided you wanted to feel relevant. 

Sorry, no - my apologies.  You decided to be direct.  Every single person reading this thread, including yourself, knows that saying 'my direct style' is a crutch and is actually you admitting that you're simply seeking attention via a turdbiscuitry methodology.  We see you.

I find it interesting that you posted a... 

...at the end there.  That shoe fits as well.  You are a cancer to these forums, especiall6 this thread.

[Scouts Honor]

10 hours ago, RockLobster said:

 

Start posting like a respectable person and I might change my mind. I won't hold my breath.

LOL

this coming from you

[BarSeries]

 

[BarSeries]

Daaaaaaaaang 

 

[RockLobster]

20 hours ago, nhs67 said:

Yawn.

You're still on about... what exactly?

Someone asked a question.  I answered them.

You decided you wanted to feel relevant. 

Sorry, no - my apologies.  You decided to be direct.  Every single person reading this thread, including yourself, knows that saying 'my direct style' is a crutch and is actually you admitting that you're simply seeking attention via a turdbiscuitry methodology.  We see you.

I find it interesting that you posted a... 

...at the end there.  That shoe fits as well.  You are a cancer to these forums, especiall6 this thread.

I don't get it - I used to enjoy your posts. Now you're a shrinking, increasingly hateful POS. (Calling me a cancer?)

Your posts are becoming worse by the day. From little bitch to half-brain kook. The thing is that you can do something about it. Or not. Be better or be worse, whatever. It's your choice. Either way, that's on you.

None of us here are any more relevant or irrelevant than any other. Just a bunch of posters on an anonymous wrestling forum. Just like the very best part of wrestling - no royalty, no peasants.

I wrestled long enough to love the sport (and more than long enough to truly despise cutting weight.) I'm here because wrestling is part of me - and I like a place where wrestling types can share discussion.

I'm not here to seek attention. I care very little about that. If you think "we see you", you don't. 

You do make one last good point - the  was the wrong emoji. Meant to post the lobster . They are difficult to see.

I swear my eyesight is shrinking as fast as the quality of your posts. I'll try to work on that.

On 3/22/2025 at 9:32 PM, NormMacDonald said:

He's a kid fresh out of the air force academy.  Im thinking its about the office and taking "commander and chief" thing very seriously. 

On 3/22/2025 at 9:36 PM, RockLobster said:

Makes sense. That is what Trump-tards do.
But his wrestling was impressive.

On 3/22/2025 at 9:38 PM, nhs67 said:

Don't be a cunt, bro.

On 3/22/2025 at 9:43 PM, RockLobster said:

Only cunt here is you.

On 3/22/2025 at 9:43 PM, nhs67 said:

Yawn.
Old news.

On 3/22/2025 at 9:45 PM, nhs67 said:

I am an advocate for ONE winner.  That said, Hendrickson-Starocci deserve to be co-champs more than Steveson-Lee did.

On 3/22/2025 at 9:46 PM, RockLobster said:

Not even close.
Starocci was a boring f'ing match.
Hendrickson was exciting as any match in history.

On 3/22/2025 at 9:48 PM, nhs67 said:

Mendez-Hardy was more exciting than both, to be clear.
Only the final 25 seconds of Hendrickson-Steveson was exciting.

On 3/22/2025 at 9:52 PM, RockLobster said:

So, now you want to describe which seconds of which match are exciting in order to let anybody else have an opinion.
You might be one of the most selfish old bastards I've ever come across.

On 3/22/2025 at 9:58 PM, nhs67 said:

Alleged 'R' word accusation.

It was legit one of the reasons he didn't get on so well in WWE.  Folks bring that up and it doesn't bode well to listeners or performers.

On 3/22/2025 at 10:01 PM, RockLobster said:

That is low, even for you. Maggots take a higher road.

On 3/22/2025 at 10:02 PM, nhs67 said:

Yawn.

On 3/22/2025 at 10:45 PM, RockLobster said:

Gable loses his final college match in a huge upset. Disappointing for him. But it happens. Good wrestling by Wyatt.
~300 wrestlers enter, only 10 come out without losing. This time of year, wrestling is more about losing than it is about winning.
Why do you want to be "that guy" who brings up past history that has already been put to rest? That's ugly.
Be a man that understands compassion. Leave it alone.

On 3/22/2025 at 11:12 PM, nhs67 said:

Yawn.
Question was asked and answered.  You're the one still on about it.

On 3/22/2025 at 11:27 PM, RockLobster said:

You keep yawning. Time for you to go to bed, old man.
You probably don't remember that there was no question asked nor answered.
Alzheimer's is a bitch. Being a cranky, belligerent old bastard to everybody doesn't help.
Find compassion.

On 3/23/2025 at 7:49 AM, nhs67 said:

Yes, there was a question asked.
Then answered.
Read better and don't be so emotional, bud.

On 3/24/2025 at 12:16 AM, RockLobster said:

There were questions asked, and questions answered in this thread. Quite a few of them.
It's just that no question I asked you was answered. No matter how you try to twist it.
I'm not emotional at all. It's my direct style that makes me appear that way. 

 

[nhs67]

2 hours ago, RockLobster said:

I don't get it - I used to enjoy your posts. Now you're a shrinking, increasingly hateful POS. (Calling me a cancer?)

Your posts are becoming worse by the day. From little bitch to half-brain kook. The thing is that you can do something about it. Or not. Be better or be worse, whatever. It's your choice. Either way, that's on you.

None of us here are any more relevant or irrelevant than any other. Just a bunch of posters on an anonymous wrestling forum. Just like the very best part of wrestling - no royalty, no peasants.

I wrestled long enough to love the sport (and more than long enough to truly despise cutting weight.) I'm here because wrestling is part of me - and I like a place where wrestling types can share discussion.

I'm not here to seek attention. I care very little about that. If you think "we see you", you don't. 

You do make one last good point - the  was the wrong emoji. Meant to post the lobster . They are difficult to see.

I swear my eyesight is shrinking as fast as the quality of your posts. I'll try to work on that.

You're proving my point.

Relax, take a breath, and don't be so 10-ply, bud.

[Gene Mills Fan]

3 hours ago, RockLobster said:

 

 

Bickering and fighting  sucks, STOP!   no place for it here.

 

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

28 minutes ago, nhs67 said:

You're proving my point.

Relax, take a breath, and don't be so 10-ply, bud.

I still love you!

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

3 hours ago, RockLobster said:

I don't get it - I used to enjoy your posts. Now you're a shrinking, increasingly hateful POS. (Calling me a cancer?)

Your posts are becoming worse by the day. From little bitch to half-brain kook. The thing is that you can do something about it. Or not. Be better or be worse, whatever. It's your choice. Either way, that's on you.

None of us here are any more relevant or irrelevant than any other. Just a bunch of posters on an anonymous wrestling forum. Just like the very best part of wrestling - no royalty, no peasants.

I wrestled long enough to love the sport (and more than long enough to truly despise cutting weight.) I'm here because wrestling is part of me - and I like a place where wrestling types can share discussion.

I'm not here to seek attention. I care very little about that. If you think "we see you", you don't. 

You do make one last good point - the  was the wrong emoji. Meant to post the lobster . They are difficult to see.

I swear my eyesight is shrinking as fast as the quality of your posts. I'll try to work on that.

 

[Jim L]

19 hours ago, BarSeries said:

Daaaaaaaaang 

 

After a quick glance, I thought he was talking about fixing up his wispy facial hair with a good shave.